sorry but coaching is substandard, prove me wrong unless u are satisfied with mediocre performance..
The play of our team really not acceptable
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This is mediocre? Feels like mediocre would be an upgrade.
It's been clear for a few seasons: CB can coach defense, and in general, her teams play hard, but she can't coach offense.
Was at the game. We had a lot of good enough looks in the first half. Missed everything. SC defense , athletes and rebounding just relentless.
Was not impressed at all with our transfer class
Was not impressed at all with our transfer class
Been trying to tell yall how suspect CB is. She can recruit with best of them, and seems to be a very nice lady, BUT COACHING...............
CB has to go…losing a close game is ok getting destroyed like that is unacceptable
dook last 5 vs S.Carolina:
I don't see a 50 point loss! banghart now has TWO!!!!
Its time...
| Date | Winner | Score | Loser | Location / Event |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nov 26, 2025 | South Carolina | 83–66 | Duke | Las Vegas, NV (Players Era Championship) |
| Mar 30, 2025 | South Carolina | 54–50 | Duke | NCAA Tournament (Elite Eight) |
| Dec 5, 2024 | South Carolina | 81–70 | Duke | Columbia, SC |
| Dec 3, 2023 | South Carolina | 77–61 | Duke | Durham, NC |
| Dec 15, 2021 | South Carolina | 55–46 | Duke | Durham, NC. |
I don't see a 50 point loss! banghart now has TWO!!!!
Its time...
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Im not going to a single game this year. Not going to have anything vested in this product. Nothing personal, but such a waste of time!
UNC was 8th nationally last season in defensive efficiency, 29th in offensive efficiency.
I think this will be a pretty good year overall, but I've not once been impressed by Banghart. It just seems like ahe always has talent and underachieves. Really hoping this is the year she can prove me wrong.
Awful job being done so far with this team. Starts at the top...
About what I would have expected. Good enough to be a top 25 team. Nowhere near good enough to compete with top 5 teams.
Averaged together, we were 14th in combined efficiency. We have been in the top 20 pretty consistently.
not sure if top 5 should be expected given our resources. Maybe once every few years to a decade if/when we strike gold on a couple of recruits really hitting the mark.
there has always been a huge gulf in WBB between the top tier teams and second tier.
not saying today’s result is acceptable, the margin was crazy. but I don’t feel going toe to toe with the #1 team is a realistic expectation.
this team has a lot of work to do.
Her teams tend to struggle to score against the elite non conference teams, despite her teams 29th offensive efficiency rating.
1st, 2nd, and 4th quarters need improvement. 3rd quarter was a catastrophic failure. 32-9? Are you %&#*(^$ me?
Kelly 0. Akot 0.
Harpring, a rookie, trying to do too much. Thomas is out of shape. She's huffing and puffing after being in the game for 2 minutes.
We turn the ball over like its our job, take off balance shots all the time. We were outrebounded, easily outshot, and turned the ball over far more.
It looked like a division 1 college basketball team vs. a JV high school team.
Kelly 0. Akot 0.
Harpring, a rookie, trying to do too much. Thomas is out of shape. She's huffing and puffing after being in the game for 2 minutes.
We turn the ball over like its our job, take off balance shots all the time. We were outrebounded, easily outshot, and turned the ball over far more.
It looked like a division 1 college basketball team vs. a JV high school team.
Under Coach Banghart they're 3-10 in OOC games against top 25 teams. She keeps scheduling top 10 teams especially and just getting blown out.
Agree that the coaching continues to underperform.
Hasn't been able to get our teams to score against opponents that play good defense. No ability to make in game adjustments to overcome poor shooting or to make a difference and keep tough games close.
When was the last time we kept a top 10 game close? I honestly can't recall. (And the ISU game didn't really count because they were overrated that year whenever that was).
On the one hand, it’s easy to put all the responsibility on Coach CB, but at some point we have to ask what the assistant coaches are contributing, too. Look at some of the other top teams: their staffs include former top P4 players, WNBA coaches and former P4 head coaches—Duke, Louisville, UCLA, Oklahoma and TCU, to name a few. Even SMU has a former P4 head coach on staff. It makes you wonder whether we have enough firepower on the bench. I’m not saying that’s the only way to build a strong staff. But if Coach doesn’t bring in someone who can help develop our offense and our players to compete at this level, then that’s on her too.
Coaching challenges aside, I just don’t think we have the personnel to compete consistently with top-five teams. I think we would’ve been better off using those same resources to pursue one star to pair with KH, rather than picking up three very average transfers—even if those three are taller than average. I wouldn’t include GW in that group. She’s the only one who’s played above her record so far, and she has the most potential. She could’ve been a key role player on a team with one more elite player alongside KH. Hoping one of those will emerge, but it's hard to see who that will be because everyone, KH included, has really struggled so far.
Here's to wishful thinking - maybe it'll be Toomey. = )
Hasn't been able to get our teams to score against opponents that play good defense. No ability to make in game adjustments to overcome poor shooting or to make a difference and keep tough games close.
When was the last time we kept a top 10 game close? I honestly can't recall. (And the ISU game didn't really count because they were overrated that year whenever that was).
On the one hand, it’s easy to put all the responsibility on Coach CB, but at some point we have to ask what the assistant coaches are contributing, too. Look at some of the other top teams: their staffs include former top P4 players, WNBA coaches and former P4 head coaches—Duke, Louisville, UCLA, Oklahoma and TCU, to name a few. Even SMU has a former P4 head coach on staff. It makes you wonder whether we have enough firepower on the bench. I’m not saying that’s the only way to build a strong staff. But if Coach doesn’t bring in someone who can help develop our offense and our players to compete at this level, then that’s on her too.
Coaching challenges aside, I just don’t think we have the personnel to compete consistently with top-five teams. I think we would’ve been better off using those same resources to pursue one star to pair with KH, rather than picking up three very average transfers—even if those three are taller than average. I wouldn’t include GW in that group. She’s the only one who’s played above her record so far, and she has the most potential. She could’ve been a key role player on a team with one more elite player alongside KH. Hoping one of those will emerge, but it's hard to see who that will be because everyone, KH included, has really struggled so far.
Here's to wishful thinking - maybe it'll be Toomey. = )
It would have actually been worse today if Dawn hadn't put in her 3rd string fairly early in the 4th quarter. Thats the only time we were able to hold on to the ball and to get a decent look.
If you guys want a synopsis of the entire game in a 5 second clip, watch our backup PG Barker trip and lose the ball with no one guarding her…
This is an honest question…does this team practice offense beyond Harping trying to do too much?
I’m not sure anyone knows how to make a post entry pass, we certainly don’t practice layups and I’m concerned we don’t practice shooting.
This is an honest question…does this team practice offense beyond Harping trying to do too much?
I’m not sure anyone knows how to make a post entry pass, we certainly don’t practice layups and I’m concerned we don’t practice shooting.
It is unacceptable for any player to be unconditioned/out of shape at this level barring injury. Like an embarrassment. Not just on player but on staff and strength/conditioning team as well. Was Blanca injured in preseason? What an opportunity she had with Toomey out with an injury to start the season. But also, Banghart didn’t really give her meaningful minutes in the preseason and OK game. Threw her in with the wolves against SC and clearly wasn’t in game shape or prepared. And two of her six points last night were after she turned the ball over and fell and didn’t make it back on defense…she got a free look bc we had a steal on the other end so I don’t want to hear anything about her 6pt output being a plus. At her size, she should avg at least 10/game just bc she’s bigger than everyone. Just unacceptable all around, especially for a Junior. Why wasn’t the staff riding her in the off-season?
In general, I have a hard time understanding how we were so unprepared for the start of the season. A lot of new pieces so that means you have to work extra hard in the off-season/pre-season. They had months! And they knew they were opening with two of the highest profile games with national attention this program has ever had. Ever.
Banghart and staff should be embarrassed. If we lost by 40 and had fought / still resembled a basketball team that would be one thing (not to mention a basketball team with several top-ranked recruits). But we looked like a JUCO team with no budget/resources.
Akot can hoop and somehow we’ve made her irrelevant in her first two games in Carolina blue. She put up 23pts against national champs UCLA in the tourney last season - a team with more size than she faced against either OK or SC.
Gabby White and Harpring are our back court until Clardy can come back. Reniya can provide relief for them off the bench. White is critical to this team.
I hope the staff doesn’t downplay what a disaster this was. The warning signs were there with the 2 preseason games and the game against OK. They need to use this as a major wake up call and get this group together. I have no doubt we have Sweet 16 talent, but right now we are coaching them to be a last 4 in group (only bc the ACC is down). We wouldn’t even make the tournament if we were in the SEC or Big 10.
Harpring is critical to the next 4 years of Carolina women’s basketball and we need to do everything we can to keep her. That means making all the other pieces work on this team too. We have the talent. Coach did not have us ready for the season.
In general, I have a hard time understanding how we were so unprepared for the start of the season. A lot of new pieces so that means you have to work extra hard in the off-season/pre-season. They had months! And they knew they were opening with two of the highest profile games with national attention this program has ever had. Ever.
Banghart and staff should be embarrassed. If we lost by 40 and had fought / still resembled a basketball team that would be one thing (not to mention a basketball team with several top-ranked recruits). But we looked like a JUCO team with no budget/resources.
Akot can hoop and somehow we’ve made her irrelevant in her first two games in Carolina blue. She put up 23pts against national champs UCLA in the tourney last season - a team with more size than she faced against either OK or SC.
Gabby White and Harpring are our back court until Clardy can come back. Reniya can provide relief for them off the bench. White is critical to this team.
I hope the staff doesn’t downplay what a disaster this was. The warning signs were there with the 2 preseason games and the game against OK. They need to use this as a major wake up call and get this group together. I have no doubt we have Sweet 16 talent, but right now we are coaching them to be a last 4 in group (only bc the ACC is down). We wouldn’t even make the tournament if we were in the SEC or Big 10.
Harpring is critical to the next 4 years of Carolina women’s basketball and we need to do everything we can to keep her. That means making all the other pieces work on this team too. We have the talent. Coach did not have us ready for the season.
We will never be an elite team with CB. If you can't see that you don't know basketball. She will never be the coach SH was.
No way. This is on CB. She can't coach at an elite level. Our ceiling with her is maybe sweet 16. Most likely 3-6 in ACC and a 4 0 5 seed at best in NCAA. If that is what we want to be then keep her. If not ... find a replacement.
Others have mentioned this but I'm thinking it's true. CB appears to be too buddy-buddy with the players and not be their coach first. Which means #1, holding them accountable. I don't believe this program is giving its best.
To me, it feels the team composition is completely off. Very disorganized and not complementary at all. The pieces just don’t fit together. Coupled with horrible shooting and this has the recipe for disaster.
I just hope after 8 years and the roster she has assembled that the term "hot seat" starts getting used if she does not measure up with the #1 overall high school recruit and numerous other highly touted players via HS or transfer on our roster.
I keep getting flashbacks to the DK era when the ball didnt move. LAst year, our defense took a while to get better but our offense overcame that at times in preseason. Not this year.
I keep getting flashbacks to the DK era when the ball didnt move. LAst year, our defense took a while to get better but our offense overcame that at times in preseason. Not this year.
Most of us are disappointed with the result of the SC game, but let's be realistic for a second.
(1.) Carolina does not have the resources that some of the top team have, for example as talent as SC is, they currently have the number one recruiting class for 2027. Note UCONN, stacked with talent from last year's class and still adding more highly regarded players from 2027. These schools over recruit, you can do that if you have the resources, they just move on from top players who are not dominate.
(2.) Playing Oklahoma, and SC in the first two games of the season was not an easy task, all of the ACC teams including Duke would have lost both of those games. The only way for the team to improve is playing the best, even if you lose but it will gather the attention of highly recruited HS player.
(3.) Realize some of down on CB, and you have your reasons but patience will prevail. There quite a gap between some of the top teams in the country, and the rest. SC has an abundance of resources, give CB those resources and see what she can do. JMHO!
There was an article that just came out about the bad lost to SC yesterday. The article says for us fans not to panic yet. Yes, we are 0 and 2 right now, but the articles does make a lot sense in the fact that this year's team does not have any returner's that started last year playing right now, or the two games that we lost. It states that although RK played on very limited minutes last year, she was hurt most of last year, and that the returning eight players did not play viable minutes last season with the exception of Nyla Brooks. It says that this year's teams is still trying to find chemistry, connectivity, and people are playing new roles for this years team, etc. Yes, I agree totally that getting blown out by almost 50 points is tough to swallow. Hopefully, this team will work on the areas that were exposed in those two games, etc. To be honest, it appears to me that OK and SC have better talent across the board in all areas and we are getting there but we are not there yet. I am going to wait to see how our team responds within the next two months before I start the bash the coaching staff. At this point, just like NC State, we only have to bonified scores right now. One is a freshman and the other is a sophomore. The veterans that are juniors and seniors will need to step up their game.
Thomas had by far the best game of any big last night. It may have not looked pretty. But go look at the box score. No, it was not on par with UofSC by any means. But way better than Akot, Burrows, Quieroz and Bofia. Those 4 combined for 1-12 (3 pts), 4 reb, 10 fouls, 11 turnovers in 49 min. Thomas was 3-6 (6 pts), 4 reb, 2 fouls and 1 turnover. no one had a block in this game.
While I agree that she looked gassed at times, she logged 31 minutes. Only Harpring played more at 32.
She is by no means a rim runner; that will never be her game. And as a consequence she is a tough fit at UNC who like to run and switch on defense, whereas she would be a much more central part of some other teams that walk the ball up the court and play zone more. There will be games like Oklahoma that will play small and run where her minutes will be limited. I expect Toomey will also limit her minutes eventually.
But she has good footwork, plays defense, alters shots. She appears to have much better touch around the rim this year (very small sample size) than she did as a freshman. That was always her issue. But as a freshman lead the team in blocks per minute and rebounds per minute. And that was with Gakdeng and Ustby on the team. There is still potential there. I bet she will break out at some point in her career. I have no idea if this is the year.
She was never 100% last year. Played with an undisclosed -injury that affected both her fitness and her play. I do not know when that cleared up, as in when she could really get back to building cardio. But it looks like a work in progress.
This! Ive been saying for years. It started with D Kelly- one on one stuff trying to do too much. Very little flow to offense year in year out unless an individual has an amazing game or we are hitting tough shots.
The problem is I like Harping and think she could be really good, but I also think she could average 5 apg if our players moved off the ball, set screens and cut.
We also miss a post player that can get us a bucket or two in the post
We also miss a post player that can get us a bucket or two in the post
Wrote this out during my lunch, it's a bit meandering but gets to some of my frustrations as someone who's defended CB frequently:
-We're consistently great defensively (prior two games excluded), but have never had a schematic advantage against elite teams offensively (and definitely haven't had a personnel advantage).
-CB thrives on roster continuity but can't maintain it. We had two guards last year that, if they were on this roster, would be All ACC contenders. Love Reniya, but I don't really think it's arguable that Lanie or Elina would be contributing more for us right now than she is. I don't know what the solution is here, short of more resources, but it's not my job to find it. I also really struggle to believe that Lanie's departure was solely about money.
-Messaging: I tend to think complaints about this are overwrought but it's true that CB is a great interview after a win and a horrible one after a loss. Even just saying "SC is great, but this is not up the standard we've set here and not acceptable" last night would have been better than (paraphrasing)"well it's good to get a sense for where you're at against SC, unlike all these teams playing cupcakes and running up the score."
One of my pet peeves is the way she talks about transfer portal additions: always as a corrective to the prior year's roster. This year she says that we needed more guards that could make plays with the ball in their hands (I didn't bring this up at the time, but hard not see this as a dig at Lanie and Elina). Last year, we really only added Elina and it was because "we wanted to trust our development" (which out the window following the season). That makes it look bad when the players you were developing leave the program! When every transfer class is put forward as the solution to our woes, and then we get the same result, it just makes it seem like we're opening one leak to plug another.
-Injuries: at a certain point you have to reevaluate how willing you are to take on players with injury histories. I don't think this is an entirely fair criticism but it's just happened too much not to mention.
-Roster construction: Why did we take two 5 star wings last year? Why are we taking two 5 star shooting guards this year? Sure, we lack resources but it doesn't help when we're committing a portion of them to players that CB won't trust as freshman and will likely transfer after one year.
-Edge, or lack thereof: We are not mentally tough. Reniya was so great as a soph but clearly her injury issues have sapped her confidence. I've said it before but if it's a big game or there's any pressure on, you can forget about Laila hitting an open shot. AA is clearly not confident rn (i do think this will change). It's larger than individual players too. How many times have we blown a lead or almost blown a lead in a big ACC game? We played good defense in the first quarter yesterday but could not hit an open look to save our lives - it could have been a different game if we had. I don't know if y'all have seen Swingers, so forgive the tortured analogy, but there's a line that Vince Vaughn has where he says "You're acting like the nice guy that everyone roots for in a PG13 movie that hopes to get the girl. I need you to act like the guy in an R rated movie who's a bit of a prick and knows he's gonna get the girl". I need CBs team to start acting like the latter.
Finally, the upside case from here is easy to articulate but actually executing it is by no means a guarantee. We need to keep the core of Kate, Nyla, and (in my opinion) Noelle for a couple of years, but can we? and can we add enough around them to be a complete team? We couldn't keep the Deja, KTW, and Utsby core together. We kept the Utsby, Gakdeng, Indya, Donarski core together despite obvious offensive limitations and didn't add enough around them.
-We're consistently great defensively (prior two games excluded), but have never had a schematic advantage against elite teams offensively (and definitely haven't had a personnel advantage).
-CB thrives on roster continuity but can't maintain it. We had two guards last year that, if they were on this roster, would be All ACC contenders. Love Reniya, but I don't really think it's arguable that Lanie or Elina would be contributing more for us right now than she is. I don't know what the solution is here, short of more resources, but it's not my job to find it. I also really struggle to believe that Lanie's departure was solely about money.
-Messaging: I tend to think complaints about this are overwrought but it's true that CB is a great interview after a win and a horrible one after a loss. Even just saying "SC is great, but this is not up the standard we've set here and not acceptable" last night would have been better than (paraphrasing)"well it's good to get a sense for where you're at against SC, unlike all these teams playing cupcakes and running up the score."
One of my pet peeves is the way she talks about transfer portal additions: always as a corrective to the prior year's roster. This year she says that we needed more guards that could make plays with the ball in their hands (I didn't bring this up at the time, but hard not see this as a dig at Lanie and Elina). Last year, we really only added Elina and it was because "we wanted to trust our development" (which out the window following the season). That makes it look bad when the players you were developing leave the program! When every transfer class is put forward as the solution to our woes, and then we get the same result, it just makes it seem like we're opening one leak to plug another.
-Injuries: at a certain point you have to reevaluate how willing you are to take on players with injury histories. I don't think this is an entirely fair criticism but it's just happened too much not to mention.
-Roster construction: Why did we take two 5 star wings last year? Why are we taking two 5 star shooting guards this year? Sure, we lack resources but it doesn't help when we're committing a portion of them to players that CB won't trust as freshman and will likely transfer after one year.
-Edge, or lack thereof: We are not mentally tough. Reniya was so great as a soph but clearly her injury issues have sapped her confidence. I've said it before but if it's a big game or there's any pressure on, you can forget about Laila hitting an open shot. AA is clearly not confident rn (i do think this will change). It's larger than individual players too. How many times have we blown a lead or almost blown a lead in a big ACC game? We played good defense in the first quarter yesterday but could not hit an open look to save our lives - it could have been a different game if we had. I don't know if y'all have seen Swingers, so forgive the tortured analogy, but there's a line that Vince Vaughn has where he says "You're acting like the nice guy that everyone roots for in a PG13 movie that hopes to get the girl. I need you to act like the guy in an R rated movie who's a bit of a prick and knows he's gonna get the girl". I need CBs team to start acting like the latter.
Finally, the upside case from here is easy to articulate but actually executing it is by no means a guarantee. We need to keep the core of Kate, Nyla, and (in my opinion) Noelle for a couple of years, but can we? and can we add enough around them to be a complete team? We couldn't keep the Deja, KTW, and Utsby core together. We kept the Utsby, Gakdeng, Indya, Donarski core together despite obvious offensive limitations and didn't add enough around them.
All reasons why it’s more frustrating that she’s not in shape. She was gassed after 2 trips down the court. You’re getting a free ride to a top school in the country and NIL money, and opening the schedule in Paris against a top 20 team and then a “home” game in CLT, where you’re from, against the top team in the country on ESPN. And you show up out of shape?
And I’m really not trying to go after her, she wasn’t the reason why we got clobbered last night. She does appear to have good footwork and her size should be an advantage most games. She had promise coming in and I would argue that she could have been a rim runner based on her freshman year build and fitness. But 6pts and 4 boards in 31 minutes at her size is not something to celebrate. The announcers talked about her advantage against the South Carolina bigs- couldn’t match her girth. We all heard she was ready to make big leaps, and no injuries this year. So it’s a indictment of the staff and program as much as it is on a Blanca that she’s gassed and not strong enough (still falling in the post with any contact). Especially when she’s the most experienced in progrm Big we have. I think it shows there’s something wrong here…I said last year I thought she was mobile, she just has shown up in worse shape each season.
It’s on the staff that they haven’t figured out how to get Akot working in our system these first couple games, especially since they were relying on her to be our interior production. She’s proven herself against top teams. Bofia has all the tools and should be more game ready after coming in early. I think she’ll get there but only if we give her the minutes. Taissa can’t play the 4 against top teams…not big enough, and not fast or dynamic enough to be a super effective wing against top teams. Same with Burrows.
The common denominator is that we aren’t prepared…whether it’s fitness, scout, new combinations not knowing how to play with each other, and our inability to get the most out of our talent so far. We didn’t put any stress on Oklahoma or SC.
I do believe Banghart will get this group together and we’ll finish 4-5 in the ACC with a round of 32 or *maybe* Sweet 16 finish. My problem is that she didn’t have them ready to compete the first two games on the national stage that she was responsible for scheduling. All she can do now is get back to work.
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