Hold your water ....

[Gamecock Disciple]

Gamecock friends, going to share just a bit on some thoughts I have and as I do, the subject line above is one that I wish we as a society as a whole would practice. As it relates to our Gamecock football squad, I am amazed at the reaction of our head coach and QB1 from earlier in the year. Many fans were lambasting both Beamer and Sellers. Oh, I get the frustration as I am 65 years old and have had enough heartbreak rooting for our beloved Gamecocks, but to observe many attacking these two were surprising to me. and I found myself thinking "hold your water".

For the more difficult one to understand, the way fans were attacking Sellers and calling for Woods simpy astounds me. What Sellers is able to do and the records he is setting speaks for itself. Yes, I get 4-8 last year, but having a putrid OL and Shula shacklilng him was much of this, and we lost quite a bit on defense. I could easily see us being 2-7 if we did not have Sellers as our QB this year. His will to win and his relentless effort is incredibly contagious. His loyalty to the Gamecock FB team is refreshing (turning down a report $8M over two years) ... I have often said in this day and age of NIL and portal, you need someone who is local and/or grew up a Gamecock fan. I believe he was not necessarily in the latter camp but definitely the former. For those wanting Cutter to start, you will get your wish either next year or the year after (and I am more intrigued with Duckworth but that is another conversation). Mr. and Mrs. Sellers, thank you for your example on how to raise a son who is respectful, loyal, and a team first man.

As for Beamer, it may be easier for some to say that he has to go, but really, what he has been able to do is unsurpassed with the exception of SOS. To do this in the mighty SEC, in the age of NIL and the TR portal, and many not wanting to come to SC (and he has repeatedly stated he wants to be here) is logic defying and refreshing.

While others called for the heads and jobs of these two, I was not among them and am one who believes many things take time, especially if you have been down for a while.

If you respond, I hope it is with respect as I recognize we have differing opinions on life itself and with that being said, I suspect we all desire for our Gamecocks (all teams) are victorious every time they take the stage.

Life is good - Peace!

 

[Texascock]

Well said Disciple. I am also 65 and a life long GCock fan and understand many fans frustration, but I think if Beamer can hold on to Briles and the rest of the staff for a few years he will get into a good spot year after year. Beamer should have never allowed Shula to get near Sellers knowing his track record. If you can't win at Alabama were Shula was a head coach... well you know the rest lol. Same reason Muschamp should have never been Head Coach. Yes, thank you to the parents of the Seller kids, they seem to have been brought up the right way.

 

[Piscis]

Let's be honest. Even if we lose to UGA and Clemson, we will be 7-5 on the season. Almost everyone here would have thought that was good season after the UK game. 8-4 would be a great season by any metric you want to judge SC football.

Beamer isn't great, but I don't think a great coach is going to take the SC job unless it is a retread situation like Holtz or Spurrierj. With how much coaches make now, the motivation to come out of retirement and take on a challenging job isn't quite what it used to be. Beamer is "South Carolina good", which means, he is going to have a winning record overall and some good seasons. He probably isn't going to win any kind of championship but, on the whole, he will be acceptable, especially if he can keep the Clemson rivalry close or in our favor.

Sellers is the kind of QB SC needs. He can make plays when things break down, as they seem to do a lot with gamecock football. He wasn't highly recruited, but he has physical ability. Like Beamer, he isn't going to lead the team to a championship, but, also like Beamer, he is going to win more games than he loses.

 

[Gamecock Disciple]

Well said Disciple. I am also 65 and a life long GCock fan and understand many fans frustration, but I think if Beamer can hold on to Briles and the rest of the staff for a few years he will get into a good spot year after year. Beamer should have never allowed Shula to get near Sellers knowing his track record. If you can't win at Alabama were Shula was a head coach... well you know the rest lol. Same reason Muschamp should have never been Head Coach. Yes, thank you to the parents of the Seller kids, they seem to have been brought up the right way.

I do wonder how our offense would look with Cutter at the helm and not Sellers and by extension, how would that make Briles look? I am not a fan of Shula by any means, but I suspect he would have loved to have this OL ... yes, Muschamp did not coach to win. He coached not to lose ... the game in Gainesville where we blew a 2 TD lead in the 4th quarter was all because of his being scared. Another reason I loved SOS ... he coached to win and he did not care who the QB was ... I remember before Shaw became our starter, he had him in calling the same plays he would call for Garcia (thinking of a game at Auburn) ... as Herm Edwards once said, "you play to win the game"!!!

 

[Gamecock Disciple]

Let's be honest. Even if we lose to UGA and Clemson, we will be 7-5 on the season. Almost everyone here would have thought that was good season after the UK game. 8-4 would be a great season by any metric you want to judge SC football.

Beamer isn't great, but I don't think a great coach is going to take the SC job unless it is a retread situation like Holtz or Spurrierj. With how much coaches make now, the motivation to come out of retirement and take on a challenging job isn't quite what it used to be. Beamer is "South Carolina good", which means, he is going to have a winning record overall and some good seasons. He probably isn't going to win any kind of championship but, on the whole, he will be acceptable, especially if he can keep the Clemson rivalry close or in our favor.

Sellers is the kind of QB SC needs. He can make plays when things break down, as they seem to do a lot with gamecock football. He wasn't highly recruited, but he has physical ability. Like Beamer, he isn't going to lead the team to a championship, but, also like Beamer, he is going to win more games than he loses.

I hope you are wrong and Beamer does lead us to the CFP ... with the SEC championship going the way of the dinosaur, it is what we can attain ... thank you for responding.

 

[kidrobinski]

Refreshing thread; nice.

 

[Lurker123]

For the more difficult one to understand, the way fans were attacking Sellers and calling for Woods simpy astounds me.

First off, I agree. And started a thread with much the same message back when it still looked bleak.

But the above caught my attention. Sellars played himself into those comments, right? The predominantly agreement had been that he is wildly inconsistent. He plays fantastic for stretches, and very much not so for stretches.

Now, if it was the vitriol? It did get heated, but I have a hard time getting too twisted up over that. I am also one of the old time crowd, and I remember the notion that you didn't call out the "kids". But to be honest, these "kids" are pro athletes now, and they make WAY more than a lot of us fans. The shield from criticism fell away, imo, when they became full fledged pros.

 

[Gamecock Disciple]

First off, I agree. And started a thread with much the same message back when it still looked bleak.

But the above caught my attention. Sellars played himself into those comments, right? The predominantly agreement had been that he is wildly inconsistent. He plays fantastic for stretches, and very much not so for stretches.

Now, if it was the vitriol? It did get heated, but I have a hard time getting too twisted up over that. I am also one of the old time crowd, and I remember the notion that you didn't call out the "kids". But to be honest, these "kids" are pro athletes now, and they make WAY more than a lot of us fans. The shield from criticism fell away, imo, when they became full fledged pros.

Fair ... regardless of NIL vs non NIL ... this young man has done things on a FB field that others simply cannot do ... does anyone think we would be 6-3 with Woods at the helm? No disrespect intended, but the answer is we would not ... for me, it is not simply getting paid now vs. not, it is how the individual handles themselves. Sellers has been incredibly respectful and very loyal. That is the standard we should seek for our student athletes. Look at WBB, I would much rather have a Tessa Johnson, Chloe Kitts, or Joyce Edwards than an Angel Reese or Milaysia Fulwiley ... I have coached before and I want the team players and NOT the high maintenance players. I do want to win and I want a culture (we have heard that word bandied about seemingly forever at different schools) that promotes a standard of excellence on and off the field .... thanks for chiming in, Lurker ...

 

[KingWard]

The lack of preparedness to play the season when it started was inexcusable.

 

[TheRoo]

The lack of preparedness to play the season when it started was inexcusable.

MSU was the only game that I thought the staff was subpar. You're going to have at least one. UGA lost to Auburn.

UK was a really good team. We didn't have Stewart b/c of the suspension and it was turnovers (not the staff) that swung that game.

We were never beating BAMA at BAMA.

 

[KingWard]

MSU was the only game that I thought the staff was subpar. You're going to have at least one. UGA lost to Auburn.

UK was a really good team. We didn't have Stewart b/c of the suspension and it was turnovers (not the staff) that swung that game.

We were never beating BAMA at BAMA.

I said what I said.

 

[TheRoo]

I said what I said.

Yes you did. I'll assume you have no rebuttal to the discussion.

 

[KingWard]

Yes you did. I'll assume you have no rebuttal to the discussion.

I think there is no rebuttal for the performances themselves.

 

[TheRoo]

I think there is no rebuttal for the performances themselves.

Performances meaning that we weren't ahead after 60 mintues. We outgained both teams but lost the turnover battle.

Can't blame the staff for suspending our best defensive player for the UK game in that situation.

 

[TheRoo]

First off, I agree. And started a thread with much the same message back when it still looked bleak.

But the above caught my attention. Sellars played himself into those comments, right? The predominantly agreement had been that he is wildly inconsistent. He plays fantastic for stretches, and very much not so for stretches.

Now, if it was the vitriol? It did get heated, but I have a hard time getting too twisted up over that. I am also one of the old time crowd, and I remember the notion that you didn't call out the "kids". But to be honest, these "kids" are pro athletes now, and they make WAY more than a lot of us fans. The shield from criticism fell away, imo, when they became full fledged pros.

Oh my.

The issue Botman is that most of your BOTs have a attention span of a ferret and the grace of a pitbull.

For example, Piscis BOT above felt the need to start a thread that A&M is not a good team in the middle of the game.

Above he's also felt the need to explain that Beamer is the best we can do and we'll never win a championship with him even though that account and I have had many conversations discussing how it's impossible to win a championship via the SEC without Top 5/10 recruiting classes. It's literally never been done. And you know this. You just feel the need to degrade at every turn.

Your ICtheFuture BOT was a lunatic the entire game.

And there's so much more.

This is what annoys authenic posters over time.

 

[KingWard]

Performances meaning that we weren't ahead after 60 mintues. We outgained both teams but lost the turnover battle.

Can't blame the staff for suspending our best defensive player for the UK game in that situation.

Can blame them for not calling a timeout to set the defense before the two-point try, though. We were completely discombobulated. Situational Coaching 101.

 

[Piscis]

I hope you are wrong and Beamer does lead us to the CFP ... with the SEC championship going the way of the dinosaur, it is what we can attain ... thank you for responding.

With 24 teams in the playoff, we will definitely get in at some point. The playoff is becoming another reward mediocrity thing in society. 3 and 4 loss teams are going to get in, we can do that.

 

[18IsTheMan]

Gamecock friends, going to share just a bit on some thoughts I have and as I do, the subject line above is one that I wish we as a society as a whole would practice. As it relates to our Gamecock football squad, I am amazed at the reaction of our head coach and QB1 from earlier in the year. Many fans were lambasting both Beamer and Sellers. Oh, I get the frustration as I am 65 years old and have had enough heartbreak rooting for our beloved Gamecocks, but to observe many attacking these two were surprising to me. and I found myself thinking "hold your water".

For the more difficult one to understand, the way fans were attacking Sellers and calling for Woods simpy astounds me. What Sellers is able to do and the records he is setting speaks for itself. Yes, I get 4-8 last year, but having a putrid OL and Shula shacklilng him was much of this, and we lost quite a bit on defense. I could easily see us being 2-7 if we did not have Sellers as our QB this year. His will to win and his relentless effort is incredibly contagious. His loyalty to the Gamecock FB team is refreshing (turning down a report $8M over two years) ... I have often said in this day and age of NIL and portal, you need someone who is local and/or grew up a Gamecock fan. I believe he was not necessarily in the latter camp but definitely the former. For those wanting Cutter to start, you will get your wish either next year or the year after (and I am more intrigued with Duckworth but that is another conversation). Mr. and Mrs. Sellers, thank you for your example on how to raise a son who is respectful, loyal, and a team first man.

As for Beamer, it may be easier for some to say that he has to go, but really, what he has been able to do is unsurpassed with the exception of SOS. To do this in the mighty SEC, in the age of NIL and the TR portal, and many not wanting to come to SC (and he has repeatedly stated he wants to be here) is logic defying and refreshing.

While others called for the heads and jobs of these two, I was not among them and am one who believes many things take time, especially if you have been down for a while.

If you respond, I hope it is with respect as I recognize we have differing opinions on life itself and with that being said, I suspect we all desire for our Gamecocks (all teams) are victorious every time they take the stage.

Life is good - Peace!

I pointed this out a while back. He's right up there with Joe Morrison who is beloved by Gamecock nation.

 

[Traildust57]

Perfection is the enemy of "good enough".

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Can blame them for not calling a timeout to set the defense before the two-point try, though. We were completely discombobulated. Situational Coaching 101.

Ignore him. (Roo man) He's an idiot.

Posting "Sellers sucks" in the game thread, followed by "Sellers is the best QB I've ever seen" after he does his superman thing is kinda my schtick.

I've been watching this same trainwreck game after game, season after season since the late 70's. You kinda figure out the scripts and the plot twists along the way. You're 100% correct. Not using a timeout there before UK attempted that 2 pt conversion was nearly criminal. - Same thing with the complete MIS-CLOCK management against UT in the first half & keeping all 3 timeouts in our back pocket heading to halftime against UT.....as they marched right down the field and scored a TD. It was painfully obvious our D was gassed and needed a timeout but.... you can't convince idiots that they're idiots.

Now, to address the OP - Bottom line: Beamer will have had 6 seasons here. 4 of those 6 will have been winning seasons. That's good enough to keep his job. Hope he can build on it and break 100+ years of futility. IMHO, we should make the 24 team playoff more times than not going forward.

 

[Go Gamecocks]

Questions about possibly playing Woods were not that unreasonable up to the UF game. The Sellers that we've seen the last 4 games is nothing close the the guy who started the first 5.

LaNorris has ressurected our season, but with the exception of the opener (Kent St), Sellers was outplayed by every opposing QB until we invaded Gainesville. His game against Towson is a head shaker. No one was talking Heisman after that one.

It's what it is. Just win!

 

[kidrobinski]

Can blame them for not calling a timeout to set the defense before the two-point try, though. We were completely discombobulated. Situational Coaching 101.

Kentucky 2010. Spurrier. Shite happens. The drum you’re beating is broken.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

With 24 teams in the playoff, we will definitely get in at some point. The playoff is becoming another reward mediocrity thing in society. 3 and 4 loss teams are going to get in, we can do that.

Overall, I understand what you're saying but in the end I disagree. I think that by in large, over the years, "picking" the top 2 or 4 teams has been nothing more than a beauty pageant, politics, ingrained biases, etc. - Opening it up to 24 teams will largely get away from the heavy politics of years gone by and I think some of the lower ranked teams that maybe have just had a bit of bad luck, will really surprise some people. Think of Ohio St this year, or maybe even FSU when they were 13-0 but left out......because the committee said they were a different team without their QB... well DUH...but football is a TEAM sport and they put the emphasis on ONE player.....it was utter BS..... and I don't particularly like FSU but that was BS.

So in the sense of getting some of the BS and politics out of the selection process, I'm all for 24 teams.

 

[Lurker123]

Ignore him. (Roo man) He's an idiot.

Ha, let me guess. Im Kingward now too?

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Ha, let me guess. Im Kingward now too?

Huh?

No. I said ignore him >> (Roo man) (The Roo) (The idiot)

I just spoke with King the other day. I was worried about him.

 

[TheRoo]

Can blame them for not calling a timeout to set the defense before the two-point try, though. We were completely discombobulated. Situational Coaching 101.

He's been pretty consistent with that policy.

Saturday the announcers were calling for him to call timeout on a big 4th down in the 4th quarter, he doesn't, and we stuffed them.

Either way, we've kindof distilled this down to a timeout vs. an unprepared for the season issue.

Honestly, I'm not sure if the UK loss will play into the playoff deal.

If we wanted in, we were having to go through UGA either way.

My biggest issue is the lost year with Shula but that's water under the bridge.

 

[TheRoo]

Questions about possibly playing Woods were not that unreasonable up to the UF game. The Sellers that we've seen the last 4 games is nothing close the the guy who started the first 5.

LaNorris has ressurected our season, but with the exception of the opener (Kent St), Sellers was outplayed by every opposing QB until we invaded Gainesville. His game against Towson is a head shaker. No one was talking Heisman after that one.

It's what it is. Just win!

I know we've only seen Woods in very limited action, but he doesn't look ready for SEC play at this point IMO.

His reads looked slow in the OU game. He threw three passes. One was an INT and another should have been.

 

[TheRoo]

Ha, let me guess. Im Kingward now too?

King has noticed your game too Botman.

 

[Lurker123]

Huh?

No. I said ignore him >> (Roo man) (The Roo) (The idiot)

I just spoke with King the other day. I was worried about him.

Yeah, didn't Roo (also known as coopie and wardjr) call you or King a "bot"? Thats his way of calling you a made up second account, created by me.

I'm supposed to be half or more of the posters on this site by now.

 

[usc_nc]

The lack of preparedness to play the season when it started was inexcusable.

I am not sure the Offense fully understood the Coach Briles system until they had “ baptism by fire”.

I think Cutter will excel because he will have grown into the system.

I don’t think Coach Briles system is intended for QBs to have 30 - 40 - + yard runs. We just happen to have a QB that can get the extra yards.
Tm Tebow did a lot of 3 to 6 yard runs.

 

[Deathstar]

If we are paying Sellers $4 million a year, as many say we are, what did he really turn down to be here?

 

[KingWard]

Coach on "Cheers", articulating my mindset right now:

If everyone else is confused, I must be.

 

[gamecock stock]

Well said Disciple. I am also 65 and a life long GCock fan and understand many fans frustration, but I think if Beamer can hold on to Briles and the rest of the staff for a few years he will get into a good spot year after year. Beamer should have never allowed Shula to get near Sellers knowing his track record. If you can't win at Alabama were Shula was a head coach... well you know the rest lol. Same reason Muschamp should have never been Head Coach. Yes, thank you to the parents of the Seller kids, they seem to have been brought up the right way.

As for Beamer, it may be easier for some to say that he has to go, but really, what he has been able to do is unsurpassed with the exception of SOS. To do this in the mighty SEC, in the age of NIL and the TR portal, and many not wanting to come to SC (and he has repeatedly stated he wants to be here) is logic defying and refreshing.

While others called for the heads and jobs of these two, I was not among them and am one who believes many things take time, especially if you have been down for a while.

If you respond, I hope it is with respect as I recognize we have differing opinions on life itself and with that being said, I suspect we all desire for our Gamecocks (all teams) are victorious every time they take the stage.

Life is good - Peace!

Life, indeed, is good.

I think the only questions in my mind about Shane Beamer is:
1. Can he put together consecutive good seasons?
2. When Briles eventually leaves, sooner probably than later, will he be replaced by someone closer to the Satterfield, Loggains, Shula trifecta or by someone closer in ability to Briles?

 

[TheRoo]

Yeah, didn't Roo (also known as coopie and wardjr) call you or King a "bot"? Thats his way of calling you a made up second account, created by me.

I'm supposed to be half or more of the posters on this site by now.

Cobie is my phone. Ward Jr was a different forum. But I've explained this before when you've attempted the misdirection.

You don't see me holding conversations with myself and ganging up on posters.

Botman -- Do i need to post the academic info again proving that you're sockpuppeting multiple accounts?

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Yeah, didn't Roo (also known as coopie and wardjr) call you or King a "bot"? Thats his way of calling you a made up second account, created by me.

I'm supposed to be half or more of the posters on this site by now.

I think he calls everyone a bot at some point if they disagree with him.

At one time I thought he (Roo) was kidgronkowski, but I no longer think that. All I know is that I'm definitely not affiliated with 18istheman.

I know that the time management in the 2nd qtr of the TN game was borderline criminal and that not calling a time out when it was clear KY was going for 2 was also borderline criminal. I know that WR #8 is not a WR. And I know that Angel Reese sucks.

 

[TheRoo]

I think he calls everyone a bot at some point if they disagree with him.

At one time I thought he (Roo) was kidgronkowski, but I no longer think that. All I know is that I'm definitely not affiliated with 18istheman.

I know that the time management in the 2nd qtr of the TN game was borderline criminal and that not calling a time out when it was clear KY was going for 2 was also borderline criminal. I know that WR #8 is not a WR. And I know that Angel Reese sucks.

This is obviously one of the Botman heavy flame accounts. I'm glad ForkCock too the time to call it out.

 

[sclawman77]

In the words of Rodney King: "Can't we all just get along."

Win anyway

 

[kidrobinski]

I think he calls everyone a bot at some point if they disagree with him.

At one time I thought he (Roo) was kidgronkowski, but I no longer think that. All I know is that I'm definitely not affiliated with 18istheman.

I know that the time management in the 2nd qtr of the TN game was borderline criminal and that not calling a time out when it was clear KY was going for 2 was also borderline criminal. I know that WR #8 is not a WR. And I know that Angel Reese sucks.

Kidgronkowski

I approve this moniker.

Beamer gave his reasoning for not calling a timeout. It was just a good play by Kentucky they had for just such a situation, and they probably had another. If I recall the Kentucky coach called for that two pt conversion when he didn’t have to; gutsy call, I tip my hat to him.

 

[Lurker123]

I think he calls everyone a bot at some point if they disagree with him.

At one time I thought he (Roo) was kidgronkowski, but I no longer think that. All I know is that I'm definitely not affiliated with 18istheman.

I know that the time management in the 2nd qtr of the TN game was borderline criminal and that not calling a time out
when it was clear KY was going for 2 was also borderline criminal. I know that WR #8 is not a WR. And I know that Angel Reese sucks.

Agreed. I just take particular pleasure in being the original account he accused of creating "bots". This dates back to another board he followed me from.

 

[I4CtheFuture]

Kidgronkowski

I approve this moniker.

Beamer gave his reasoning for not calling a timeout. It was just a good play by Kentucky they had for just such a situation, and they probably had another. If I recall the Kentucky coach called for that two pt conversion when he didn’t have to; gutsy call, I tip my hat to him.

Not arguing with you, but, ok..... let's say I buy his KY explanation. (I don't) But let's give him a pass on that one.....

How we explaining the complete and utter mis-clock management in the 2nd qtr against UT when we had just gotten a first down inside the 10 yard line and the clock was approaching the 2 minute warning.... and we hurried up and ran another play before the 2 min warning. It was stupid. You are in COMPLETE CONTROL in that situation. You have the opposing team at your mercy. The one and only thing you cannot do in that situation is mis-manage the clock and give UT the ball back with plenty of time to march right down the field and score a TD before halftime. You CANNOT do that....... and that's precisely what we did. (While keeping 3 time outs in our back pockets)

That is unforgivable, imho .....it cannot happen. But, it's forgiven and not talked about because we won the game. It's not like this is his first year as HC. This is year SIX.....you'd think he'd know how to manage the game clock / situation. See for yourself. Fast forward to the 57:40 mark and watch the inexplicable unfold.