Justin Herbert

[Anon726530]

Are we finally done with this “the chargers are about ready to unleash a Super Bowl MVP”.
The worst thing that can happen to Arch Manning is making the playoff, because then people will see that they lost BECAUSE of him.

Yet, they continue to push the stardom of these two

 

[BookofMormon]

Are we finally done with this “the chargers are about ready to unleash a Super Bowl MVP”.
The worst thing that can happen to Arch Manning is making the playoff, because then people will see that they lost BECAUSE of him.

Yet, they continue to push the stardom of these two

Justin Herbert has become the newest QB that has shown he can't process the game or situational football. He's a physical god, and a smart guy, just not football smart.

At some point, to be be great at that position, you need to be able to read presnap, read situations, to be great.

 

[Henogee1975]

He was better before Harbaugh showed up.

 

[PooPooPeePeePoo]

It’s gotta be coaching. He was a monster his first few years in the league. You don’t regress that much. Mike McDaniel doesn’t know wtf he’s doing either as an OC.

 

[TeamAmerica]

It’s gotta be coaching. He was a monster his first few years in the league. You don’t regress that much. Mike McDaniel doesn’t know wtf he’s doing either as an OC.

Its more due to the fact the Chargers are starting 4 rookie offensive linemen.

 

[StuBlue270_uk]

It’s gotta be coaching. He was a monster his first few years in the league. You don’t regress that much. Mike McDaniel doesn’t know wtf he’s doing either as an OC.

How McDaniel still has a job is beyond me.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

Yeah I think this is more McDaniel being exposed than Herbert. That Oline has haf brutal injuries two years in a row, and when they are decently healthy, they look like a different team.

Also, dont discount the distraction that is Madison Beer.

 

[SenseMaker_Cats]

Yeah I think this is more McDaniel being exposed than Herbert. That Oline has haf brutal injuries two years in a row, and when they are decently healthy, they look like a different team.

Also, dont discount the distraction that is Madison Beer.

I think the Chargers are a distraction from Madison Beer.

 

[Laparkafan]

I think the Chargers are a distraction from Madison Beer.

Yup hard to blame him

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

Justin Herbert has become the newest QB that has shown he can't process the game or situational football. He's a physical god, and a smart guy, just not football smart.

At some point, to be be great at that position, you need to be able to read presnap, read situations, to be great.

You just described almost every qb in the nfl. These guys have no idea how to play the position and everything has to be schemed for them. Offensive coaching has never been more important for that position than it is now.

Just look at caleb Williams. He went from sure fire bust to an mvp candidate solely because of a coach. Herbert went from a potential mvp candidate to completely incompetent, all because of a coach.

Incidentally its why defensive concepts like mugging the line are now so effective. It forces today's qb to make decisions on the fly and hardly any can consistently do it.

Also its why dinosaurs like rivers and flacco can still be really good players even at their age, because they understand how to play the position.

Its pretty crazy.

 

[Hitman206]

O line. McConkey injured and bad receivers. McDaniel scheme too complex with too many reads before the snap.

 

[The Nightman2]

O line. McConkey injured and bad receivers. McDaniel scheme too complex with too many reads before the snap.

I agree. Hes been pressured alot. And McDaniel hasn't really adjusted to what Herbert does well. And he really doesnt have much around him. I think hes still a good qb

 

[BookofMormon]

You just described almost every qb in the nfl. These guys have no idea how to play the position and everything has to be schemed for them. Offensive coaching has never been more important for that position than it is now.

Just look at caleb Williams. He went from sure fire bust to an mvp candidate solely because of a coach. Herbert went from a potential mvp candidate to completely incompetent, all because of a coach.

Incidentally its why defensive concepts like mugging the line are now so effective. It forces today's qb to make decisions on the fly and hardly any can consistently do it.

Also its why dinosaurs like rivers and flacco can still be really good players even at their age, because they understand how to play the position.

Its pretty crazy.

The only QBs that can do this today are:

Mahomes
Burrows
Purdy
Stafford

 

[MegaBlue05]

I remember Chargers fans telling me Herbert was better than Burrow annnnnd no.

 

[Henogee1975]

Its more due to the fact the Chargers are starting 4 rookie offensive linemen.

How is it possible that they would be in a position to have to start 4 rookie OLs??

 

[Chris Mallory]

I remember the debate on who went overall #1, Burrow or Herbert

 

[Battle_Cat]

How is it possible that they would be in a position to have to start 4 rookie OLs??

They sound as bad as the Browns OL when Couch was a rookie and running for his life every other play... Cleveland - where QB's go to die.

 

[PooPooPeePeePoo]

You just described almost every qb in the nfl. These guys have no idea how to play the position and everything has to be schemed for them. Offensive coaching has never been more important for that position than it is now.

Just look at caleb Williams. He went from sure fire bust to an mvp candidate solely because of a coach. Herbert went from a potential mvp candidate to completely incompetent, all because of a coach.

Incidentally its why defensive concepts like mugging the line are now so effective. It forces today's qb to make decisions on the fly and hardly any can consistently do it.

Also its why dinosaurs like rivers and flacco can still be really good players even at their age, because they understand how to play the position.

Its pretty crazy.

Flacco could be a starter for a lot of teams. He killed it with the Bengals when Burrow was hurt. But sadly Bengals defense always has problems in the secondary and makes the offense score 30+ a game to win.

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

The only QBs that can do this today are:

Mahomes
Burrows
Purdy
Stafford

Great list. Add in Aaron Rodgers and I think you nailed it. Even at his old age he'd kill it with some more help.

 

[BookofMormon]

Great list. Add in Aaron Rodgers and I think you nailed it. Even at his old age he'd kill it with some more help.

How can we forget Rodgers. Of course. We are talking about coaches on the field in this case. Guys like Manning, Brady, Brees. These guys weren't throwing footballs, they were conducting.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

The only QBs that can do this today are:

Mahomes
Burrows
Purdy
Stafford

If its "making decisions on the fly", you have to add Josh Allen. Who really hasn't had stellar coaching OR offensive weapons at all times (which all the above has had at least one of).

Sometimes hes a bit too loose with his throws. But give me the same coach and the same players around him, and im taking Josh to be the QB.

 

[BookofMormon]

If its "making decisions on the fly", you have to add Josh Allen. Who really hasn't had stellar coaching OR offensive weapons at all times (which all the above has had at least one of).

Sometimes hes a bit too loose with his throws. But give me the same coach and the same players around him, and im taking Josh to be the QB.

Josh is a fascinating player, still don't consider him your standard pocket QB. He's a massively talented gunslinger, who can take on LBs running the ball. He's currently leading the NFL on the rushing TDs list, may be top 5-6 all time in his career when it's all said and done. How he hasn't been hurt yet is absolutely unbelievable.

I still see him making a lot of dumb throws, plays a lot of heroball. He's amazing at it. Truly the most physically talented QB of our lifetime.

 

[Bluegrass79]

Hold on a minute. .. dude was a good quarterback until harbaugh showed up.

So something's not right

 

[Resignmarkpope]

The only QBs that can do this today are:

Mahomes
Burrows
Purdy
Stafford

Add Rogers, Allen and Jackson.

 

[Goingfor9]

Back in the day, we would say about a guy like this that he would need a change of scenery. And that’s all there is to it with Herbert. He needs to find the right fit he will. He was on a strong progression line and when Harbaugh showed up, there was a strong regression line so he’s not washed up he can take the right team to the Super Bowl.

 

[TeamAmerica]

How is it possible that they would be in a position to have to start 4 rookie OLs??

Key Injuries
Rashawn Slater (Left Tackle): Placed on injured reserve after undergoing surgery for a high-ankle sprain suffered during the Week 4 game against the Seattle Seahawks.
Joe Alt (Right Tackle): Sidelined with a neck injury.
Trevor Penning (Left Guard): Out due to a concussion.
Kayode Awosika (Left Guard) & Trey Pipkins III (Knee): Both are dealing with leg/fibula and knee injuries.
Tyler Biadasz (Center): Suffered a season-ending knee injury during training camp, forcing rookie Jake Slaughter into action early.

The Rookie Lineup

Because of these absences, the Chargers have had to pivot to a makeshift front surrounding veteran right guard Cole Strange:
• Logan Taylor (Left Tackle / Left Guard)
• Jake Slaughter (Center / Left Guard)
• Jacob Spomer (Center)
• Travis Burke (Right Tackle)

 

[BookofMormon]

Add Rogers, Allen and Jackson.

Rodgers yes, I don't include Allen and Jackson in what I would call that presnap, defense reading coach on the field. They're simply elite athletes.