OT: Learjet crash near West Palm Beach

[chroix]

Edit: My bad. Social media BS got me. It was her.
The lady pilot everyone thought it was is still alive. Clearly a woman on the audio so either that is fake or it was a different woman pilot/copilot.

 

[rick64]

 

[Anon468747]

The lady pilot everyone thought it was is still alive. Clearly a woman on the audio so either that is fake or it was a different woman pilot/copilot.

She's been id'd. Nathalia Filguerias (Sp.?).

 

[Supafuzz75]

Lears dont have the best mx record. Id like to get a look at the on board radar they had. Pretty shocking they flew right into a storm, but not shocking at all the storm brought them down. Precip at that altitude and temperature is a horrific sign and they certainly encountered severe turbulence.

Their radar should have picked up that storm in front of them, but it doesnt seem like it based on the radio calls leading up to the accident.

Storm was at 30k high so they tried going over it when they were about 9 miles out.. Within about 20 mins the storm grew to about 60k high and they ran into cold air of about -58°.. Just poor judgment on pilots sounds to me..

 

[chroix]

She's been id'd. Nathalia Filguerias (Sp.?).

Yeah she got IDed as copilot. ******* X

 

[Anon468747]

I've read that at those altitudes there is a very narrow window re: speed. Too fast it will break up and too slow it will stall. Or something to that effect.

 

[ukwildcat2004]

Can't bring myself to listen to the audio. Especially now knowing the victims especially since I have two boys (9 and 4) and I can't imagine the sheer terror those babies went through all of them really.God bless all of their souls on that plane.

 

[Kantucke_rivals]

Blancolirio has released a video, hes about as good as you'll get on YouTube.

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

I won't listen to the audio. Been around too much death in my life, and try to (as much as possible) not let overtly negative things into my head nowadays.
Hopefully they were unconscious prior to impact. Just awful.

Have a buddy that sent me the audio. I can't bring myself to listen to it

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

Storm was at 30k high so they tried going over it when they were about 9 miles out.. Within about 20 mins the storm grew to about 60k high and they ran into cold air of about -58°.. Just poor judgment on pilots sounds to me..

More and more information coming out indicating it was a pretty severe error in judgement to take that option. Apparently there was also an aviation alert out for the area they decided to fly through.

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

Florida plane crash victims identified after 9 people killed in fiery wreck

The Learjet 60 crew reported icing and an overspeed condition before the Austin-to-Bahamas flight plunged into a South Florida neighborhood.

www.foxnews.com

 

[TheDude73]

If you look close enough, it does in fact appear that the horizontal stabs are there. Faintly, but the speed blurred them. The one on our left (plane's right rear) looks like a shadow. I can't really tell if the left rear is there.

 

[NociHTTP]

Have a buddy that sent me the audio. I can't bring myself to listen to it

It's terrible, IMO don't do it. Bad enough that I had to talk about it with ChatGPT just to get some clarity on my own feelings and perspective about life in general. I will never be able to listen to that one again.

Edited.

 

[NociHTTP]

If you look close enough, it does in fact appear that the horizontal stabs are there. Faintly, but the speed blurred them. The one on our left (plane's right rear) looks like a shadow. I can't really tell if the left rear is there.

It's not there. Completely sheared off.

 

[BC_Wader]

It's terrible, IMO don't do it. Bad enough that I had to talk about it with ChatGPT just to get some clarity on my own feelings and a perspective about life in general. I will never be able to listen to that one again.

You have to go to ChatGPT to help you with life problems?

 

[Beatle Bum]

Dont question her at all. There is also far too much focus on just her since its her voice on the radio. She was not the only pilot in that cockpit.

Cannot imagine what she and the others went through in those final moments

It’s rough reading through this thread and all the conclusions for people who don’t have all the facts and don’t understand aviation but continuously reading people express negative comments about this girl with the misunderstanding that she was alone in the cockpit or, worse, with her boyfriend is pathetic. Sometimes gross. But, I knew when I entered the thread on this board that it would include some insanity.

 

[Anon468747]

It's terrible, IMO don't do it. Bad enough that I had to talk about it with ChatGPT just to get some clarity on my own feelings and a perspective about life in general. I will never be able to listen to that one again.

Whatever you do then, don't watch the Sinaloa Chainsaw Massacre.

 

[Anon468747]

It’s rough reading through this thread and all the conclusions for people who don’t have all the facts and don’t understand aviation but continuously reading people express negative comments about this girl with the misunderstanding that she was alone in the cockpit or, worse, with her boyfriend is pathetic. Sometimes gross. But, I knew when I entered the thread on this board that it would include some insanity.

Let me guess: along with every other conceivable subject known to man, you in fact "understand aviation." I never said she was alone in the cockpit. I did mistakenly think she was flying with her boyfriend. Get over yourself and stop being the board hall monitor.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Storm was at 30k high so they tried going over it when they were about 9 miles out.. Within about 20 mins the storm grew to about 60k high and they ran into cold air of about -58°.. Just poor judgment on pilots sounds to me..

I don’t think the temperature was unusual for their altitude. At least that was suggested by that YouTube pilot that analyzes accidents.

Let me guess: along with every other conceivable subject known to man, you in fact "understand aviation." I never said she was alone in the cockpit. I did mistakenly think she was flying with her boyfriend. Get over yourself and stop being the board hall monitor.

Beyone the Bernoulli effect I don’t have a clue how metal stays in the air and don’t pretend to. Again, I don’t pretend to. So, I try to keep my initial emotional responses to a minimum and let the experts do their jobs, realizing that girl has a loving family who is grieving her loss and rank speculation can only cause harm.

 

[Anon468747]

I don’t think the temperature was unusual for their altitude. At least that was suggested by that YouTube pilot that analyzes accidents.


Beyone the Bernoulli effect I don’t have a clue how metal stays in the air and don’t pretend to. Again, I don’t pretend to. So, I try to keep my initial emotional responses to a minimum and let the experts do their jobs, realizing that girl has a loving family who is grieving her loss and rank speculation can only cause harm.

Get over yourself. People on a Uk sports message board have zero effect on "letting the experts do their job" and I bet you a dollar to a donut "that girls living family" has no idea this board even exists. So exactly what "harm" is being "caused?" How are we affecting the experts ability to do their jobs? Like I said, you really should get over yourself

 

[Beatle Bum]

Get over yourself.

Back atcha Peanut.

People on a Uk sports message board have zero effect on "letting the experts do their job" and I bet you a dollar to a donut "that girls living family" has no idea this board even exists. So exactly what "harm" is being "caused?" How are we affecting the experts ability to do their jobs? Like I said, you really should get over yourself

I am not debating with an emotional anon peanut.

 

[NociHTTP]

Whatever you do then, don't watch the Sinaloa Chainsaw Massacre.

I have watched that one, years and years ago.

 

[Anon468747]

I have watched that one, years and years ago.

The Dagestan Massacre is awful too. It really, really messed me up for a while. I never watch anything like that anymore. My constitution can't take it.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

My stepbrother's plane went down like that. They dropped about 15,000 feet in 90 seconds or so, out of Kandahar and spiraled in. Nothing left. They were trying to climb out of some weather and stalled.

Ah man I’m so sorry to hear that. So awful. May he RIP brother.

 

[CatPatrick13]

May the people who perished from this tragedy RIP. Not even sure what else to say about it…

 

[meteordealer]

It's not there. Completely sheared off.

Wrong

 

[Pygmy Sasquatch]

Ah man I’m so sorry to hear that. So awful. May he RIP brother.

Thanks, man

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

The more info that comes out, the uglier this gets.

Atc warned them well in advance of their course heading into dangerous storms. This particular plane being very dangerous in bad weather.

No real info on why they decided to make the reckless decision to fly into it anyway.

 

[Mdnerd]

The more info that comes out, the uglier this gets.

Atc warned them well in advance of their course heading into dangerous storms. This particular plane being very dangerous in bad weather.

No real info on why they decided to make the reckless decision to fly into it anyway.

It may very well end up being pilot error, but there is nothing close to conclusive evidence it definitely was. There are certainly factors that could have played a large role here no one is talking about.

The bad part is we may never actually know all of the details.

 

[Mdnerd]

It’s rough reading through this thread and all the conclusions for people who don’t have all the facts and don’t understand aviation but continuously reading people express negative comments about this girl with the misunderstanding that she was alone in the cockpit or, worse, with her boyfriend is pathetic. Sometimes gross. But, I knew when I entered the thread on this board that it would include some insanity.

She was one of two and not the captain. She's not even old enough to hold an ATP certificate. The blame does not belong to her for a multitude of reasons. Had she not communicated so effectively, no one would have considered blaming her. She became the face of this because of those radio calls and no other reason. Take the distressing radio calls away and people are only asking about the captain.

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

It may very well end up being pilot error, but there is nothing close to conclusive evidence it definitely was. There are certainly factors that could have played a large role here no one is talking about.

The bad part is we may never actually know all of the details.

I really appreciate your input on this issue. Out of curiosity, would the decision to fly that plane into that weather amount to what is defined as pilot error?

I didn't know if that analysis only starts at the beginning of the incident or not. Sounds like after their poor decision, the outcome was out of their hands.

 

[Beatle Bum]

She was one of two and not the captain. She's not even old enough to hold an ATP certificate. The blame does not belong to her for a multitude of reasons. Had she not communicated so effectively, no one would have considered blaming her. She became the face of this because of those radio calls and no other reason. Take the distressing radio calls away and people are only asking about the captain.

I heard one pilot comment that the information she provided was clear and better than most pilots provide.

 

[CatinIL]

Forgive me if I get this wrong but that image shows what I would call a faint ghost like image of the horizontal stabilizer on the left (looking at the image). It’s hard to tell if the one on the right is there but it looks like there might be something there. Regardless, it’s a tragedy.

 

[preacherfan]

I really appreciate your input on this issue. Out of curiosity, would the decision to fly that plane into that weather amount to what is defined as pilot error?

I didn't know if that analysis only starts at the beginning of the incident or not. Sounds like after their poor decision, the outcome was out of their hands.

There is almost never a plane accident that can be attributed to a single cause or error. The NTSB will look for multiple reasons why this plane went down and make recommendations to make sure it never happens again.

The decision to fly into that weather may very well amount to pilot error but there are most likely other issues/factors that may have caused this tragedy. Keep in mind that we have something the pilot didn't have: 20/20 hindsight.

 

[UKGrad24]

I've been saying these things for a while now. I used to fly without anxiety, rode every roller coaster I could get to and I used to climb cell towers, but now, I refuse to do any of it.

In 2008, I had the absolute crap scared out of me in a 4 seater over lake erie. That plane shot up a long way when we hit a wind shear. The pilot was struggling and the AT controller came over the radio, called out our call sign and in a paniced voice, told us to get down, "there is heavy traffic in your path", at that point, the plane was trying to roll, I was being pressed against the side.

That changed everything for me.

The audio from this crash here, might be the most terrifying thing I've heard since 9/11. That is definitely not the way I want to go. I get the stats say it's safe, but it's not safe enough for ke to risk a terrifying fall from the sky.

I’ve never understood the entire “more likely to die in a car” well yea but statistically that makes no sense. Let’s assume there are 10’s of millions of planes in the air at the same time. Now do the math. And it doesn’t matter anyway, I’d rather not die like that. Imagine what that father with his 2 kids dealt with for the last 4 minutes of their lives. With his wife, omg.

more likely to die - car
More likely to die the most terrifying and tormenting death other than a deep sea octopus? - Plane

I remember when the “I’m not scared to fly” group was jumping for joy in 2020. Everyone telling them do not leave the country. They saw cheap airline tickets and thought hell yea, went on ahead the 747.

Ended up the Covid outbreak and their kids were stranded in other countries, some of them had no communication at times, in some cases families split in different parts of the globe with no way home. My college friend’s family went to India? IIRC it took all of them a month to get back to America.

I’m Good. Only chance I do is if I end up doing dual citizenship in New Zealand. I’m greenzoned there and have a lot of money being offered working 25 hours per week in an easy sector living in the most beautiful place on earth. Immigration package paid, everything. I own a sht ton of guns, only issue. I will fly for that if I do it. Not really expecting America to be hospitable to certain types of people over the next 100 years, wanna give me grandkids a shot somewhere.

 

[Anon468747]

I’ve never understood the entire “more likely to die in a car” well yea but statistically that makes no sense. Let’s assume there are 10’s of millions of planes in the air at the same time. Now do the math. And it doesn’t matter anyway, I’d rather not die like that. Imagine what that father with his 2 kids dealt with for the last 4 minutes of their lives. With his wife, omg.

more likely to die - car
More likely to die the most terrifying and tormenting death other than a deep sea octopus? - Plane

I remember when the “I’m not scared to fly” group was jumping for joy in 2020. Everyone telling them do not leave the country. They saw cheap airline tickets and thought hell yea, went on ahead the 747.

Ended up the Covid outbreak and their kids were stranded in other countries, some of them had no communication at times, in some cases families split in different parts of the globe with no way home. My college friend’s family went to India? IIRC it took all of them a month to get back to America.

I’m Good. Only chance I do is if I end up doing dual citizenship in New Zealand. I’m greenzoned there and have a lot of money being offered working 25 hours per week in an easy sector living in the most beautiful place on earth. Immigration package paid, everything. I own a sht ton of guns, only issue. I will fly for that if I do it. Not really expecting America to be hospitable to certain types of people over the next 100 years, wanna give me grandkids a shot somewhere.

How the hell does a plane crash post lead you to writing a novel about your particular situation and desire to move to New Zealand and having sht ton of guns?

 

[bbnkat02]

The kid (yes, kid) flying the plane, or at least 2nd seat, graduated HS in 2023 or 2024. Nathalia Filguerias (sp?). Looked to be really trying to become Insta-famous.

She was 20. An adult. EARNED her wings before even having a driver's license. She was the CO-pilot still learning. That's how they learn; the log hours under experienced pilots. She did her job right until the end.

Some people really should think before speaking.

 

[bbnkat02]

My stepbrother's plane went down like that. They dropped about 15,000 feet in 90 seconds or so, out of Kandahar and spiraled in. Nothing left. They were trying to climb out of some weather and stalled.

Was that the cargo plane that was caught on dash cam that just fell out of the sky? If so, I'll never forget that one. Awful. I'm sorry man.

 

[bbnkat02]

She was one of two and not the captain. She's not even old enough to hold an ATP certificate. The blame does not belong to her for a multitude of reasons. Had she not communicated so effectively, no one would have considered blaming her. She became the face of this because of those radio calls and no other reason. Take the distressing radio calls away and people are only asking about the captain.

Yep. That kind of dive in that kind of plane and even pulling out of it is dangerous. It's not an F-15. Even if they could've pulled out if it (they couldn't), at that velocity- that air frame would've snapped in half.

It's stupid that we still have people in this society that thinks have an appendage between your legs makes you more competent. It doesn't.

 

[BarefootBeach]

It looks like they properly decided to increase their altitude, but the problem is that the storm cell/pocket was rapidly elevating too, so they didn't get high enough. Why they didn't fly farther around the storm i don't get.