OT: Learjet crash near West Palm Beach

[kyjeff1]

I get it. I've heard those type of facts and statistics forever. Theres a reason now that I've gotten older I don't like roller coasters either. Wont go out by a plane crash. Not falling from the ground anyway. Maybe like one of the cars in the video and get hit. Won't go out skydiving. Won't go out bunjee jumping. Won't go out by drowning in a cave.

Anything else is fair game. If I was falling in that plane going straight down I couldn't take those last 45 seconds. I would die before hand of heart attack.

I've been saying these things for a while now. I used to fly without anxiety, rode every roller coaster I could get to and I used to climb cell towers, but now, I refuse to do any of it.

In 2008, I had the absolute crap scared out of me in a 4 seater over lake erie. That plane shot up a long way when we hit a wind shear. The pilot was struggling and the AT controller came over the radio, called out our call sign and in a paniced voice, told us to get down, "there is heavy traffic in your path", at that point, the plane was trying to roll, I was being pressed against the side.

That changed everything for me.

The audio from this crash here, might be the most terrifying thing I've heard since 9/11. That is definitely not the way I want to go. I get the stats say it's safe, but it's not safe enough for ke to risk a terrifying fall from the sky.

 

[NociHTTP]

Don't understand your comment at all
You think hoping for survivors was wrong?
If so, then may e you are the one that needs the soul searching

You don't understand? Commonsense is in low supply, you need it. Enough of the I need prayer warriors bull crap in a time like this.

 

[BC_Wader]

This is really sad. That audio made me want to cry.. how did they go from flying to hitting the ground like a stark industry missile?

Ill never fly again. Even before this. Just way too many crashes the last few years. I might go out in a car crash but at least theres a chance of survival.

Last time I flew was pre 9/11. I don't care where I have to go in the Country. I'm driving. I want to be in control and I don't care how long it takes.

 

[BC_Wader]

According to this video, they flew right into heavy weather, after already reporting icing and turbulence.

Learjet N722BD Crash in Extreme Weather

I've de-iced planes numerous times at my job. It was mandatory unless you had the seniority to opt out. I got to opt out about 15 years ago. That's A LOT of responsibility to make sure you clean that plane and those pilots trust that you know what you're doing.

 

[Pygmy Sasquatch]

I've de-iced planes numerous times at my job. It was mandatory unless you had the seniority to opt out. I got to opt out about 15 years ago. That's A LOT of responsibility to make sure you clean that plane and those pilots trust that you know what you're doing.

Yes, that's heavy responsibility.

 

[Kantucke_rivals]

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

Be interesting to hear what the hell happened. That was moving like a projectile. Doesn’t seem like they had much control the way it came in

From the audio it looks like they were heading into a storm cell, possible ice. Whatever happened they were losing 20,000 feet per second. It was a missile and that audio was horrifying.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

I won't listen to the audio. Been around too much death in my life, and try to (as much as possible) not let overtly negative things into my head nowadays.
Hopefully they were unconscious prior to impact. Just awful.

Sadly the pilots were there until impact, literally you can hear them in the back say look out the window and the female co pilot says “F@ck we are out of time.”

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

The plane was a Learjet 60 and apparently they have a spotty maintenance record for safety. I’m no aviation expert, but maybe pilots or airline workers could chime in. Supposedly hard to fly and you need a great pilot. On X someone used AI to slow down the video and clear up a still photo before impact. It appears when it hit the storm cell and turbulence that it broke of the rear stabilizer off the tail, at that point it’s a missile heading for the ground so the pilots had zero control. Losing altitude at 20k feet a second certainly seems that way.

 

[KYAnywhereEverywhere]

I'm going to make a comment that is maybe offensive and definitely insensitive, but I've always said that I want to go out in a way akin to this... Here one second, gone the next, no slow decline. I want it to be all over in an instant. No pain. Little to no time to think about it. The submarine that imploded a few years back is another example. Just, boom and gone. No chance for nerves to even register a sensation.

 

[JakeKx]

Being poor keeps me out of these situations but nobody deserves this. To go from being excited heading to the Bahamas to being gone. I hope there wasn’t any little ones on board

 

[Cats_2010]

Don't understand your comment at all
You think hoping for survivors was wrong?
If so, then may e you are the one that needs the soul searching

For Anyone that saw the video it was obvious there would be zero chance for survivors. The plane nose dived into the ground at a minimum of 250 MPH. Prayers for the family of the lost is certainly warranted but a comment hoping for survivors seemed disingenuous.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

I'm going to make a comment that is maybe offensive and definitely insensitive, but I've always said that I want to go out in a way akin to this... Here one second, gone the next, no slow decline. I want it to be all over in an instant. No pain. Little to no time to think about it. The submarine that imploded a few years back is another example. Just, boom and gone. No chance for nerves to even register a sensation.

I can see the appeal in that but I’d bet the sheer terror they felt on descent was enough for a lifetime, not to mention not a single person on that flight thought that yesterday was their last moments on Earth.

 

[Mdnerd]

The plane was a Learjet 60 and apparently they have a spotty maintenance record for safety. I’m no aviation expert, but maybe pilots or airline workers could chime in. Supposedly hard to fly and you need a great pilot. On X someone used AI to slow down the video and clear up a still photo before impact. It appears when it hit the storm cell and turbulence that it broke of the rear stabilizer off the tail, at that point it’s a missile heading for the ground so the pilots had zero control. Losing altitude at 20k feet a second certainly seems that way.

Lears dont have the best mx record. Id like to get a look at the on board radar they had. Pretty shocking they flew right into a storm, but not shocking at all the storm brought them down. Precip at that altitude and temperature is a horrific sign and they certainly encountered severe turbulence.

Their radar should have picked up that storm in front of them, but it doesnt seem like it based on the radio calls leading up to the accident.

 

[chroix]

I'm going to make a comment that is maybe offensive and definitely insensitive, but I've always said that I want to go out in a way akin to this... Here one second, gone the next, no slow decline. I want it to be all over in an instant. No pain. Little to no time to think about it. The submarine that imploded a few years back is another example. Just, boom and gone. No chance for nerves to even register a sensation.

Me too.

 

[BetterThanYou]

That’s why I am booking a tour of the Titanic with Oceangate.

 

[Anon984470]

The kid (yes, kid) flying the plane, or at least 2nd seat, graduated HS in 2023 or 2024. Nathalia Filguerias (sp?). Looked to be really trying to become Insta-famous.

 

[LineSkiCat14]

This is really sad. That audio made me want to cry.. how did they go from flying to hitting the ground like a stark industry missile?

Ill never fly again. Even before this. Just way too many crashes the last few years. I might go out in a car crash but at least theres a chance of survival.

Im not a big fan of flying either and it just feels like its becoming a bit more risky in recent years. Planes getting older, cost cutting. Feels like labor has gotten worse (plane repairs, engineers, security). More incompetency. Granted, it feels that way with a lot of industries post-covid but with those, im not putting my life in their hands.

Theres probably, at least 20-30 workers the day of your flight who have to be on their A-game. Pilots, air traffic control, various inspectors and security folks. I dont love those odds that someone in that group isnt screwing up.

 

[Johnnie Africa]

I really wish I didn’t listen to the audio, no idea why I even did really. Also, not that I’ll have the option, but if I were filthy rich I feel I’d be flying first class in a major airline and not private. You hear about something like this with small private planes about once or twice a year but almost never with commercial flights.

 

[BetterThanYou]

I warned you.

 

[NociHTTP]

From the audio it looks like they were heading into a storm cell, possible ice. Whatever happened they were losing 20,000 feet per second. It was a missile and that audio was horrifying.

My understanding is they (unknowingly) didn't have a horizontal stabilizer, meaning no ability to come out of a nose-first descent. I'm wondering if the pilot who was praying had the speakers turned on for passengers, who assuredly knew what was going to happen.

 

[NociHTTP]

I can see the appeal in that but I’d bet the sheer terror they felt on decent was enough for a lifetime, not to mention nit a single person on that flight thought that yesterday was their last moments on Earth.

Two thoughts came to my mind. Maybe they should make auto-closing blinds so that passengers are unable to see out the window in the event of an uncontrollable spin. Also, what about putting lightweight thrusters elsewhere on the planes that are only activated in stalls or spins?

Edited spelling.

 

[NociHTTP]

The kid (yes, kid) flying the plane, or at least 2nd seat, graduated HS in 2023 or 2024. Nathalia Filguerias (sp?). Looked to be really trying to become Insta-famous.

You'll be creating another account soon enough. She was a damn pilot, hours are hours, specific flights mean nothing to pilots.

 

[bigblueinsanity (the real)]

For those that have knowledge of this industry - why did they fly into a cell? To someone like me that knows nothing, that seems like an unusual decision.

 

[Anon984470]

You'll be creating another account soon enough. She was a damn pilot, hours are hours, specific flights mean nothing to pilots.

BS...and piss off. I'm sure you'd be very comfortable seeing her and her boyfriend seated in the captain and co pilot seats. Ever hear of "experience"? And no, "hours" are most certainly not "hours."

 

[Anon984470]

passengers, who assuredly knew what was going to happen.

Gee,ya think? Bold take

 

[megablue]

For those that have knowledge of this industry - why did they fly into a cell? To someone like me that knows nothing, that seems like an unusual decision.

I know nothing about flying planes, too, and I had the same question ... ????

 

[Catfan in Tn.]

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/article317876759.html

 

[Anon468747]

I can see the appeal in that but I’d bet the sheer terror they felt on decent was enough for a lifetime, not to mention nit a single person on that flight thought that yesterday was their last moments on Earth.

That's the quandary. No doubt instantaneous but I absolutely can't fathom the sheer terror for however many seconds it would be knowing that's it and not a damned thing you can do about it.

 

[Anon468747]

I know nothing about flying planes, too, and I had the same question ... ????

20 year old pilot

 

[Mdnerd]

For those that have knowledge of this industry - why did they fly into a cell? To someone like me that knows nothing, that seems like an unusual decision.

2 options. One they made a bad decision. The second and far more horrifying is their radar didn't paint the cell.

 

[Mdnerd]

Double post

 

[Mdnerd]

You'll be creating another account soon enough. She was a damn pilot, hours are hours, specific flights mean nothing to pilots.

There are levels to this. She was certainly inexperienced in many ways. I fly with guys and girls with 1000s of hours and still lack experience in many ways depending on their background.

That said, far too early to even speculate her experience having anything to do with this.

 

[Anon468747]

There are levels to this. She was certainly inexperienced in many ways. I fly with guys and girls with 1000s of hours and still lack experience in many ways depending on their background.

That said, far too early to even speculate her experience having anything to do with this.

Hoover on the "Pilot Debrief" Youtube channel will almost certainly do a breakdown of this crash though I assume it will be a number of months.

 

[UKortho]

This is really sad. That audio made me want to cry.. how did they go from flying to hitting the ground like a stark industry missile?

Ill never fly again. Even before this. Just way too many crashes the last few years. I might go out in a car crash but at least theres a chance of survival.

From what I read- ice accumulation on the horizontal part of the tail. So sad.

 

[Mdnerd]

Hoover on the "Pilot Debrief" Youtube channel will almost certainly do a breakdown of this crash though I assume it will be a number of months.

He definitely will and id guess will have something out sooner rather than later.

All talk prior to an ntsb report is speculation though. Did their radar paint the cell? Was the radar tilted correctly?

Lots of questions that wont be known for some time.

Only facts are they flew right into the heart of a cell and it killed them. How and why they got there will be thoroughly investigated.

 

[OGtruebluewildcat]

Our species desire to push the laws of physics and nature is our greatest and worst attribute.

Nothing about flying is safe. Nothing about an ape putting together some scrap metal and blasting off into the sky is safe.

Smaller jets and helicopters flying local/regional seem to be even less safe. Every year there’s tragic stories like this.

A young pilot being allowed to take off with a storm anywhere near the area/route is insane as well.

Ice on the tail?! Did that accumulate before or after take off?

This seems like a lot of things went wrong.

 

[LongliveWildcatDon]

He definitely will and id guess will have something out sooner rather than later.

All talk prior to an ntsb report is speculation though. Did their radar paint the cell? Was the radar tilted correctly?

Lots of questions that wont be known for some time.

Only facts are they flew right into the heart of a cell and it killed them. How and why they got there will be thoroughly investigated.

Hoover and Captain Steve are the best out there for explaining these things. When I first heard the audio it sounded like they were flying into another planes jetstream, but flying into the heart of the cell could explain it as well.

 

[Mdnerd]

Hoover and Captain Steve are the best out there for explaining these things. When I first heard the audio it sounded like they were flying into another planes jetstream, but flying into the heart of the cell could explain it as well.

Hoover is pretty good. Not a big fan of Steeeeeve.

 

[megablue]

20 year old pilot

I get you, but it is my understanding that she was the co-pilot ... but that could be wrong.