Our best players in order

[#1 cat fan]

Zoom's +/- of -7 begs to differ.
TTU's biggest runs in the first and second half was with Zoom on the floor.
He's not the answer at PG.

+/- for am exhibition game isn't a stat you want to go by. He played with the worst lineup both times they all came in. The reserves that won't play much

 

[UKCowboys]

I wonder how some of you come to the conclusions you do. Your take on Milan was just exactly opposite of what I saw. I thought he competed his butt off on defense and has great timing and awareness. You mentioned he is the best shooter you have ever seen which im not sure thats true but if it is wouldn't you think that alone would be enough of a reason to need to have him out there?

Agree with this

 

[kyjeff1]

+/- for am exhibition game isn't a stat you want to go by. He played with the worst lineup both times they all came in. The reserves that won't play much

I'm a guy that is in Zoom's corner, I think he will develop rather quickly and be a good guard for us, but he is his own worst enemy right now. He doesn't play efficient basketball at all and he dribbles too much.

His issues are easy to fix though.

 

[SkyPrince]

I'm a guy that is in Zoom's corner, I think he will develop rather quickly and be a good guard for us, but he is his own worst enemy right now. He doesn't play efficient basketball at all and he dribbles too much.

His issues are easy to fix though.

Let's hope so or he's an expensive mistake.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

+/- for am exhibition game isn't a stat you want to go by. He played with the worst lineup both times they all came in. The reserves that won't play much

Individual +/- in a one game look is just a bad stat. For a single game, lineup +/- carries way more weight. Accumulative +/- for individual players is best judged over the course of an entire season. In a one game look, who they're on the court with is a huge pull on their numbers. It's just ineffective in a single game.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

1. Momcilovic - still our go-to

2. Mason Williams - just flatout the best basketball player on the team. he is so overlooked.

3. N'Diaye - just too unique of a combination of... things. highest ceiling.

4. Wilkins - so raw and junkey at times, but the flashes are hot

5. Kepnang - i'm sorry but i just think this guy is our best center. malachi just looks so unthreatening on boards and d.

1-Mom needs to get shots. He's not a bucket getter, but he's definitely a shot maker.

2-If Mason truly is this best teams player (I don't think he will be, but I'm definitely coming around on him being a lot better than I thought he'd be), this team is in trouble. Low ceiling if that's the case.

3-I somewhat agree here. Biggest caveat is how he responds to physicality. That will tell the story of how good he will be.

4-Wilkins looks very "no-no-YES". This tracks after looking at his game logs from last season. He had some very good games and some real clunkers against really bad teams. He's got to find a way to be more consistent. His decision-making on offense is the key here. He also really needs to learn how to defend. In two exhibition games he's given up way too many straight line drives. He's just bad on the ball defensively. Has to get better and no reason he can't.

5-Malachi has a motor problem and there are rumblings of his lackadaisical practices. That has to change. Kepnang has zero offensive skill. He's nothing more than a lurker/dunker on offense. I think he's serviceable on defense, but his foul rate is pretty high. Expecting anything more than 15 mins/game for him is a stretch.

 

[kyjeff1]

1-Mom needs to get shots. He's not a bucket getter, but he's definitely a shot maker.

2-If Mason truly is this best teams player (I don't think he will be, but I'm definitely coming around on him being a lot better than I thought he'd be), this team is in trouble. Low ceiling if that's the case.

3-I somewhat agree here. Biggest caveat is how he responds to physicality. That will tell the story of how good he will be.

4-Wilkins looks very "no-no-YES". This tracks after looking at his game logs from last season. He had some very good games and some real clunkers against really bad teams. He's got to find a way to be more consistent. His decision-making on offense is the key here. He also really needs to learn how to defend. In two exhibition games he's given up way too many straight line drives. He's just bad on the ball defensively. Has to get better and no reason he can't.

5-Malachi has a motor problem and there are rumblings of his lackadaisical practices. That has to change. Kepnang has zero offensive skill. He's nothing more than a lurker/dunker on offense. I think he's serviceable on defense, but his foul rate is pretty high. Expecting anything more than 15 mins/game for him is a stretch.

Great post.

Only thing I have an issue with, is #2. We don't know how good Mason actually is and I don't think those that rate HS players do either.

What we do know, is it's not far fetched to believe he will be our best guard. When your father is as good as Mo is, it's easy to see how that could happen.

Also, back in October 2017, who would have thought SGA would be our best player and a future NBA POY? We all would have laughed at anyone suggesting such a thing.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

Great post.

Only thing I have an issue with, is #2. We don't know how good Mason actually is and I don't think those that rate HS players do either.

What we do know, is it's not far fetched to believe he will be our best guard. When your father is as good as Mo is, it's easy to see how that could happen.

Also, back in October 2017, who would have thought SGA would be our best player and a future NBA POY? We all would have laughed at anyone suggesting such a thing.

When was the last time a 6'2" freshman PG was the best player on a really good team? I'm asking this out of pure curiosity, because I have no freaking clue. This is regardless of their ranking too. I truly don't know. That's my only point. If THAT DUDE is our best player, the ceiling is low. And this is coming from someone whose opinion on him has changed quite a bit in the past week.

 

[SenseMaker_Cats]

When was the last time a 6'2" freshman PG was the best player on a really good team? I'm asking this out of pure curiosity, because I have no freaking clue. This is regardless of their ranking too. I truly don't know. That's my only point. If THAT DUDE is our best player, the ceiling is low. And this is coming from someone whose opinion on him has changed quite a bit in the past week.

First guy that came mind was Isiah Thomas. Not a long list for sure though.

 

[davtay]

When was the last time a 6'2" freshman PG was the best player on a really good team? I'm asking this out of pure curiosity, because I have no freaking clue. This is regardless of their ranking too. I truly don't know. That's my only point. If THAT DUDE is our best player, the ceiling is low. And this is coming from someone whose opinion on him has changed quite a bit in the past week.

Not that Mason is as good, but answering your question, DeAron Fox was prolly best player on the team. (Although he was 6'3"). We aren't going to quibble over an inch, are we? lol

Also, I know there were several awesome talents on that team, but as the one season played out, Fox maybe was the best.

 

[SenseMaker_Cats]

Not that Mason is as good, but answering your question, DeAron Fox was prolly best player on the team. (Although he was 6'3"). We aren't going to quibble over an inch, are we? lol

Also, I know there were several awesome talents on that team, but as the one season played out, Fox maybe was the best.

If we’re jumping up to 6’3” then Derrick Rose is on the list.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

First guy that came mind was Isiah Thomas. Not a long list for sure though.

Mine was Wall...I know he was a bit taller than that, but my point wasn't to be THAT picky.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

Not that Mason is as good, but answering your question, DeAron Fox was prolly best player on the team. (Although he was 6'3"). We aren't going to quibble over an inch, are we? lol

Also, I know there were several awesome talents on that team, but as the one season played out, Fox maybe was the best.

I always thought Monk was the best player on that team. He was your go get a bucket when you gotta have one guy. But that team was really good and I can listen to an argument where Fox was their best player. No way in hell I'm squabbling over an inch! Given the stories I tell my wife, that would be pretty hypocritical of me!

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

If we’re jumping up to 6’3” then Derrick Rose is on the list.

Another good one! Yeah...I mean, heck even 6'4" is good by me. My point was really, if a frosh PG...especially one that's not got great size...is your best player your ceiling is probably pretty low.

Over the last 50 yrs or so, we are up to about four or five. I don't like those odds. Reminds of the folks that said JQ would be ready because some dude on here said his kid and one other NBA player came back. Just ignore the other 99.9999999% of people that took much longer. I always thought I was in bizzarro world back then.

FWIW...I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell Mason Williams is this teams best player at the end of the year. I do, however, think he will be a solid piece. And I didn't think that 7-10 days ago.

 

[Eagles_Ball_69]

If we’re jumping up to 6’3” then Derrick Rose is on the list.

Man...just for the record...talking about this sort of stuff sure is more fun than "Pope sucks, Pope's my hero" stuff.

 

[K_TIME]

1. Momcilovic - still our go-to

2. Mason Williams - just flatout the best basketball player on the team. he is so overlooked.

3. N'Diaye - just too unique of a combination of... things. highest ceiling.

4. Wilkins - so raw and junkey at times, but the flashes are hot

5. Kepnang - i'm sorry but i just think this guy is our best center. malachi just looks so unthreatening on boards and d.

Kepnang over Moreno....shows you didn't look at much to me.....

And Moreno will be our 2nd best player behind Milo IMO

 

[kyjeff1]

When was the last time a 6'2" freshman PG was the best player on a really good team? I'm asking this out of pure curiosity, because I have no freaking clue. This is regardless of their ranking too. I truly don't know. That's my only point. If THAT DUDE is our best player, the ceiling is low. And this is coming from someone whose opinion on him has changed quite a bit in the past week.

Tyler Ulis