...which is laughable at this point, then they should show the NIL $$$ they are being paid.
This is a 2-way street.
This is a 2-way street.
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On tv broadcasts, if they're not going to show the player's degree status/college major in the introductions...
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I posted in the basketball thread...but Kansas just added a player yesterday that was drafted into the NBA, played in the summer league, but never signed a contract. He registered at Kansas on Sunday, and is currently eligible while under a court injunction. How can someone register for classes on October 18th for the fall semester, when Kansas publishes September 21st as the last day to register for fall classes?
Should probably include the schools they are considering when they transfer next year to get a jump on buying that schools apparel.
This is what the college football media has been lobbying for all these years. This is what they wanted. At last, these poor college football and basketball players aren't exploited victims. It's a wonder how they were able to fill out rosters for all these years considering how badly all the players were victimized.
The major of many players is NIL. A judge will have to be asked about your suggestion. They are for everything else.
Why should he have to register for classes?
We have guys playing football right now - at PSU - who don't.
Is that actually true? My understanding was that they needed to be registered and making "progress" (with the progress being a much lower bar than it used to be). You're telling me we have players that never registered for any classes?
Half semester courses that last 7-8 weeks -- "accelerated", "intensive", and "mini-mester" they are sometimes called. He probably made it just inside the window to have enough time to be there for the entire course(s).
Exactly....I remember them reporting about players going hungry (BTW, don't players get free food...training table, etc?) and all they wanted was a chance to get min wage job, to cover expenses, etc, etc.This is what the college football media has been lobbying for all these years. This is what they wanted. At last, these poor college football and basketball players aren't exploited victims. It's a wonder how they were able to fill out rosters for all these years considering how badly all the players were victimized.
It's a joke anymore. Basically professional sports, including college are a scam. The rules will be whatever makes the most people money going forward.“College“ Athletics
Ya. I remember some reporter saying they couldn’t even afford a pack of chewing gum. Drove me nuts.
The NCAA standards for academic progression has always been very weak. Back when I used to give a s#!t we had a basketball player who failed half of his credits in the Fall Semester yet was still in fine standing by the NCAA and played in the Spring Semester. It's basically all about accumulating credits, not if those credits are actually leading to a degree. While Penn State may not be as bad as some, we are far from blameless in the charade.
Oh, I agree that they are very weak. But I thought that "being registered for a class" was a minimum requirement.
That is what some fans claimed drove Sean Oakman to steal that hoagie and grape juice while shoving the cashier into the wall.
That is what some fans claimed drove Sean Oakman to steal that hoagie and grape juice while shoving the cashier into the wall.
Now that
) have ample cash money, they are responsible citizens. No more illegal activity. 
Nope
Individual schools can. of course, set any additional requirements (over and above NCAA minimums) if they want to. I expect very few "want to"
The current NCAA requirements on this topic (Using the standard minimum credits to earn a degree as being 120 credits) This is of course a bit of a synopsis:
First 2 years - maintain a 1.8 or higher GPA
By the beginning of their 3rd year, accumulate at least 40% (48 credits) of number of credits required for a degree (they don't even have to "count" for a degree), and a 1.9 GPA
By the beginning of their 4th year, accumulate at least 60% (72 credits) of number of credits required for a degree and a 2.0 GPA
By the beginning of their 5th year, accumulate at least 80% (96 credits) of number of credits required for a degree (they don't even have to "count" for a degree), and a 2.0 GPA
So, at no point do they even have to actually be on track for earning a degree. And certainly not on pace with being "full time".
And, it is far worse than that:
After getting to 72 credits (or 96 for a 5th year guy) there requirements are essentially nil.
This is one of the reasons the older transfers are often not even real students.
Unless PSU (and other programs) is blatantly "breaking the law", there ain't nothing.
PSU has several guys on the roster that will never take a real PSU class (I am sure PSU is not alone in that).
As an example, not to pick on Becht, because he is not even an outlier (there are many in the same boat), but his situation kind of went more "public" than most:
He is not an undergrad student at PSU.... He is not required to be enrolled in the graduate school (and hasn't been since he started here).
He is - supposedly - taking a "certificate course" (1) as an on-line asynchronous course (IYKYK). That is not a degree program or even a degree course (or require one to be a student at PSU). He will likely never see the inside of a PSU classroom (unless he accidently walks in on one), or sit for a single PSU program course, by the time he leaves here.
And no one cares. Certainly not the NCAA, and certainly not PSU (or most other schools)
It is a complete misnomer to ever call these folks "student athletes" (though some fans and what not like to cling to that belief.... I know some people who still swear all these guys have to be full time students - or at least enrolled students - but it just isn't so)
To be clear: PSU is not an outlier here.
Back in the day, maybe they would have been - back when some folks at PSU felt there should be some relationship between "student" and "athlete" - but any of those folks are long gone.
FWIW: PSU ICA went to lengths (after HCJF was fired) to assure that they would be allowed to bring in scads of these types of transfers - to make it possible for Campbell (or whomever the next coach was going to be) to fill out a roster with no hindrances from having to get kids enrolled in actual programs.
And, BTW, kids who "meet those requirements" outlined above?
According to the NCAA (when they compile those things people THINK equate to "graduation rates") they would count as a "+". How does one NOT meet those "requirements"? (amazingly some don't - especially at PSU in recent years)
Digest this:
PSU's "NCAA Academic Score" will probably go UP - now that they have all these kids on the football team that are not even students (I kid you not - that's the way it works)
So be it. People can care or not.
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Man. I heard that about Becht and some of the others, but had a hard time believing it. That is 180 degrees different from when Joe was here and I was in school in the early 70s.
Football players were REAL students back then. Most got their degrees, played hard nosed, fundamentally sound football, and made you proud to be a Penn Stater. That mentality reflected Nationally in an incredibly positive way on every Penn State student and alumnus. It was a GREAT time to be alive.
It’s crap like this Becht shi+ that makes me respect this team even less and look at these guys as no more than uninterested, pay for play vagabonds. They look at their jerseys and helmets more as Halloween costumes than Penn State uniforms. No connection to the University and fans whatsoever other than the paycheck they cash. Explains why, with a few exceptions, they appear to play soft and uninterested.
Or, better yet, say the school and/or where they’re from so the audience can actually hear - and understand - what they’re saying!
I've said it before on here. It's only a matter of time until one of these 7th year professional student athletes finds themselves in a criminal or civil lawsuit over their off the field conduct. Conduct that some will argue was surely aided and abetted (or foreseen) by the NIL money and a general lack of background vetting, lack of supervision, and fake student status that they were given by the school. Then the school is going to find itself sharing the defendant's position on the lawsuit heading. The players should be paid. But the bulk of the money should be thrown into a trust account that they have limited access to until after they exit college.
A trust account until theay're 25. Maybe even 30.
But many will still be stupid at those times.
As a baseball player 30 years ago, all they told us about was having a 1.8. Gpa as a freshman and to get 24 credits per year. Many took 12-15 in the fall and 9 in the spring with a 3 credit inter session course in may.
Once we got a couple MI from Florida though, they explained the cumulative credits and how they didn’t need to be ‘towards a specific degree’. Those guys and a few others had 15 PE credits in 3 years aren’t werent in a declared major yet.
52 years ago, the entire sports world knew what Catfish Hunter was making with the Yankees.
100% complete NIL disclosure needs to happen in an organized and proven accurate manner. Enough of this.
Show me your class load/schedule, or show me your salary. Actually, show me both. You aren't an amateur anymore and you're not a student-athlete either. There is absolutely no reason your income should ever be ever hidden from the public.
I'll add that even double digit IQ espn types realize that there has to be a salary cap. How are you gonna do that w/out listing the salaries? Just take the OK AD's word for it? "Yup, we're just under $10M. You can trust me!"
100% complete NIL disclosure needs to happen in an organized and proven accurate manner. Enough of this.
Show me your class load/schedule, or show me your salary. Actually, show me both. You aren't an amateur anymore and you're not a student-athlete either. There is absolutely no reason your income should ever be ever hidden from the public.
I'll add that even double digit IQ espn types realize that there has to be a salary cap. How are you gonna do that w/out listing the salaries? Just take the OK AD's word for it? "Yup, we're just under $10M. You can trust me!"
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For a major, how about something similar to pre-law? Pre-NFL. At least it would be honest.
Reminds me of the Pitt player years ago who apparently got stage fright when they used to have the starters run out and announce their class and major and completely clammed up. This was during the hey day of Ed “Too Tall” Jones. The kid’s name was Gordon Jones and some wag said in the newspaper the next day, that he was Gordon “Too Dumb” Jones.
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