Viva la France / Forza Italia!
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The most liberal country in the western world is begging for immigration AND welfare to be cut off completely and super prisons to be built. This is what unchecked liberals are capable of doing to you, your children and your country. Vote accordingly and share every single thing you can find with anyone that’s gonna vote.
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Moratorium on immigration: we stop everything, clear and net, 2 years, 3 years, 5 years. No more uncontrolled entry. The polls already say it: 63% want a 3-year suspension.
• Exceptional measure on arrests, penalties without common measure, immediate prison. We don't let police officers get assaulted, nor shopkeepers get looted. 85% already want delinquent OQTFs to stay in prison until expulsion.
• We build super-prisons. Bukele did it in less than two years.
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Moratorium on immigration: we stop everything, clear and net, 2 years, 3 years, 5 years. No more uncontrolled entry. The polls already say it: 63% want a 3-year suspension.
• Exceptional measure on arrests, penalties without common measure, immediate prison. We don't let police officers get assaulted, nor shopkeepers get looted. 85% already want delinquent OQTFs to stay in prison until expulsion.
• We build super-prisons. Bukele did it in less than two years.
people won't change their opinions unless they are directly impacted. Just look at the riots in the US....just mostly peaceful protests...people who just want a better life for themselves and their families...income inequality...all justifications....just add in high fuel prices, and poor school Infrastructure and you have 'good reason" to burn down buildings and rob stores.
We had some on here justify the riots in France...mostly same ones who support the uncontrolled immigration, are anti ICE , and anti enforcement of immigration law. It's really hard to admit you might be wrong and saw the need to evolve politically
I'm not sure you can 100% refer to what's going on as a melting pot any longer. We starting turning away from that when we started making signs in2 languages. It's very difficult to integrate into society when you don't speak the language.
Then look at Minnesota...enclaves of somalians....or Texas when some want to create a separate "city" where sharia law in implemented...
There can be no justification for burning historic sites or ransacking stores...I don't care how much fuels costs
well you might not see it, but in many of your posts you are giving the impression that you understand the riots and are defending those who are burning and rampaging...that might not be your intention, but for me, at least, that's how it's coming across.
We haven’t been a melting pot in decades. That requires assimilation. Today’s illegal immigrants want to sneak in, have an anchor baby, get on welfare. But as long as the libs can get a few votes it’s worth it to them.
Korean X Accounts are now warning users. Wow.
Translation:
I'm going to say this, prepared for the criticism.
Which side does Korea want to become?
The left is France, which accepted immigrants
The right is Poland, which did not accept immigrants
Indiscriminate immigration policies will not be a warm candle
but a torch that burns the country.
Translation:
I'm going to say this, prepared for the criticism.
Which side does Korea want to become?
The left is France, which accepted immigrants
The right is Poland, which did not accept immigrants
Indiscriminate immigration policies will not be a warm candle
but a torch that burns the country.
On my way to the office this morning, I passed a group of young people protesting, a Palestinian flag draped over their shoulders.
And I asked myself a question I can't shake: why does this generation always fall into the same trap? No matter the history. No matter the context. Even the ones from wealthy families, who went to the best schools, who were dealt every good card. Always the same trap.
I don't think it's stupidity. I think it's a mechanism. And a mechanism can be taken apart, piece by piece.
A. The observation: everything the state touches becomes unaffordable.
Look at economist Mark Perry's famous chart, the one people call "the chart of the century." It tracks US prices since 2000.
At the top, what explodes: hospital services, college tuition, textbooks, childcare, housing. Increases of +100%, +150%, up to +250%, far above general inflation.
At the bottom, what collapses: TVs, software, phones, toys, clothing. A TV today costs a fraction of what it did in 2000, for an infinitely better product.
Look at what separates the two groups. It isn't technology. It isn't complexity. It's one variable: how much the state is involved.
At the top, sectors that are subsidized, regulated, shielded from competition, where the state funds demand and blocks supply. At the bottom, sectors where companies fight every single morning to serve you better and cheaper.
B. The mechanism: why it's systematic.
When the state subsidizes demand without freeing supply, prices rise. Every time. Guaranteed student loans, and universities raise tuition. Housing aid plus blocked building permits, and rents skyrocket. Administered healthcare, and bureaucracy eats the budget before it ever reaches the patient.
In France it's even more vicious, because the price doesn't disappear: it hides. You never see the hospital bill, you pay it through payroll contributions. You never see the cost of school, you pay it through taxes. Public spending at 57% of GDP, one of the heaviest tax burdens in the world, more than €3.4 trillion in debt. And the result? Overflowing ERs, falling PISA scores, young people who can't afford to live in the city where they work.
The market didn't fail in these sectors. It was never allowed in.
C. Suffering demands a culprit.
A 22-year-old lives all of this in their bones. They can't find a place to live. Their degree either buries them in debt or opens no doors. The future feels blocked. That suffering is real, and I don't deny it for a second.
But human beings can't stand suffering without a culprit. They need a face. A scapegoat.
And this is where everything is decided: who taught them how to read the world?
D. Whoever tells the story picks the villain.
Schools are public. Universities are public. Culture runs on grants. Film goes through funding committees. Public broadcasting shapes the narratives. The people handing down the interpretive framework are, overwhelmingly, paid by the very system that creates the problem.
Do you really think that system is going to name itself as the culprit?
No. It names the capitalist. The boss. The landlord. "The rich." The multinational. The commercial West. Same role, same casting, every time.
E. One lens, a thousand causes.
And this brings me back to that flag. A generation taught to read every situation through a single lens, oppressor on one side, rich, Western, capitalist, oppressed on the other, will apply that lens everywhere. To housing. To climate. To conflicts on the other side of the world. The cause changes, the lens stays. That's why the trap is always the same: it's not the cause that draws them in, it's the way of thinking that was installed in them.
F. The perfect inversion.
Here's the irony. Capitalism is the force that drove down the price of almost everything it touched. The state is the force that blew up the price of almost everything it captured. And young people blame the first for the crimes of the second.
It's like blaming the firefighter for the fire because you saw him at the scene.
G. The ballot box confirms it.
In the US, a few weeks out from the midterms, a large share of urban young voters is getting ready to vote Democrat for more state, more spending, more regulation. New York elected a self-described socialist mayor, carried by young voters, on promises of rent freezes and city-run grocery stores. Rent freezes, the policy that has made housing scarcer everywhere it's been tried. The cure that worsens the disease.
In France, it's the same play in two acts. Part of the youth votes for the radical left, which promises more state. Another part votes for the center, which promises to "manage" the state well, and has dug the debt deeper than ever. Two different ballots, one shared assumption: the problem is the market, the solution is the state.
H. The way out.
These young people aren't stupid. They're right to be angry. They're just aiming at the wrong target.
The day they understand that their rent, their tuition and their hospital are expensive precisely because the state runs them, their anger will change direction. They'll stop protesting against those who create. They'll start protesting against those who capture.
That day, the greatest intellectual scam of our time will be over.
And I asked myself a question I can't shake: why does this generation always fall into the same trap? No matter the history. No matter the context. Even the ones from wealthy families, who went to the best schools, who were dealt every good card. Always the same trap.
I don't think it's stupidity. I think it's a mechanism. And a mechanism can be taken apart, piece by piece.
A. The observation: everything the state touches becomes unaffordable.
Look at economist Mark Perry's famous chart, the one people call "the chart of the century." It tracks US prices since 2000.
At the top, what explodes: hospital services, college tuition, textbooks, childcare, housing. Increases of +100%, +150%, up to +250%, far above general inflation.
At the bottom, what collapses: TVs, software, phones, toys, clothing. A TV today costs a fraction of what it did in 2000, for an infinitely better product.
Look at what separates the two groups. It isn't technology. It isn't complexity. It's one variable: how much the state is involved.
At the top, sectors that are subsidized, regulated, shielded from competition, where the state funds demand and blocks supply. At the bottom, sectors where companies fight every single morning to serve you better and cheaper.
B. The mechanism: why it's systematic.
When the state subsidizes demand without freeing supply, prices rise. Every time. Guaranteed student loans, and universities raise tuition. Housing aid plus blocked building permits, and rents skyrocket. Administered healthcare, and bureaucracy eats the budget before it ever reaches the patient.
In France it's even more vicious, because the price doesn't disappear: it hides. You never see the hospital bill, you pay it through payroll contributions. You never see the cost of school, you pay it through taxes. Public spending at 57% of GDP, one of the heaviest tax burdens in the world, more than €3.4 trillion in debt. And the result? Overflowing ERs, falling PISA scores, young people who can't afford to live in the city where they work.
The market didn't fail in these sectors. It was never allowed in.
C. Suffering demands a culprit.
A 22-year-old lives all of this in their bones. They can't find a place to live. Their degree either buries them in debt or opens no doors. The future feels blocked. That suffering is real, and I don't deny it for a second.
But human beings can't stand suffering without a culprit. They need a face. A scapegoat.
And this is where everything is decided: who taught them how to read the world?
D. Whoever tells the story picks the villain.
Schools are public. Universities are public. Culture runs on grants. Film goes through funding committees. Public broadcasting shapes the narratives. The people handing down the interpretive framework are, overwhelmingly, paid by the very system that creates the problem.
Do you really think that system is going to name itself as the culprit?
No. It names the capitalist. The boss. The landlord. "The rich." The multinational. The commercial West. Same role, same casting, every time.
E. One lens, a thousand causes.
And this brings me back to that flag. A generation taught to read every situation through a single lens, oppressor on one side, rich, Western, capitalist, oppressed on the other, will apply that lens everywhere. To housing. To climate. To conflicts on the other side of the world. The cause changes, the lens stays. That's why the trap is always the same: it's not the cause that draws them in, it's the way of thinking that was installed in them.
F. The perfect inversion.
Here's the irony. Capitalism is the force that drove down the price of almost everything it touched. The state is the force that blew up the price of almost everything it captured. And young people blame the first for the crimes of the second.
It's like blaming the firefighter for the fire because you saw him at the scene.
G. The ballot box confirms it.
In the US, a few weeks out from the midterms, a large share of urban young voters is getting ready to vote Democrat for more state, more spending, more regulation. New York elected a self-described socialist mayor, carried by young voters, on promises of rent freezes and city-run grocery stores. Rent freezes, the policy that has made housing scarcer everywhere it's been tried. The cure that worsens the disease.
In France, it's the same play in two acts. Part of the youth votes for the radical left, which promises more state. Another part votes for the center, which promises to "manage" the state well, and has dug the debt deeper than ever. Two different ballots, one shared assumption: the problem is the market, the solution is the state.
H. The way out.
These young people aren't stupid. They're right to be angry. They're just aiming at the wrong target.
The day they understand that their rent, their tuition and their hospital are expensive precisely because the state runs them, their anger will change direction. They'll stop protesting against those who create. They'll start protesting against those who capture.
That day, the greatest intellectual scam of our time will be over.
Just think, if we just keep supporting leftist policies, we too can earn less money, pay much higher taxes and enjoy riots! 57% higher taxes and things seem SO great over there. What a great ROI. Let’s do that!
Per ChatGPT:
Bottom line
France: 43.5% economy-wide tax burden.
United States: 25.6% economy-wide tax burden.
Average worker: France's employment tax burden is about 57% higher than America's, measured relative to employer labor costs.
Per ChatGPT:
Bottom line
France: 43.5% economy-wide tax burden.
United States: 25.6% economy-wide tax burden.
Average worker: France's employment tax burden is about 57% higher than America's, measured relative to employer labor costs.
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Liberals can never tax you enough. It will never be enough. France spends $0.57 of every $1 received on public services - not military, not infrastructure, not investments - in services, primarily social services. And the primary recipients of that spending are burning the entire country to the ground because it’s not enough. The right has been saying this would happen, I know I have. It’s easily predicted. France is being sacrificed so we don’t have to be.
I'd like to believe your last paragraph....but I look at posts from some of our left colleagues and I don't think they will ever come back to center political positions. They truly believe government is the answer...more spending and the only reason for deficits is not enough taxing....just look at today...since Trump took office the second time how many posts have there been about the $2 tillion deficit and $40 trillion debt? Yet when you look at the democrat's 100 day plan what do you see (after the investigations of trump and his family) reinstatement of Medicaid and renewal of expanded ACA subsidies among other programs....more spending..the heck with the deficits and debt.
On your statement about government and increased prices..look at student debt. Yes there was debt starting in 1992 when grants turned into loans but the great "ballooning" started when the government took over the student loan business around 2010 or so. I remember the Obama administration expectation that if the government took over the business they could make $100 billion a year...schools raised tuition because money was running free..they expanded programs...Obama wanted more and more people to get degrees....universities expanded degrees that when earned couldn't "feed" jobs that paid enough to service the student loans..universities hired more people, gave out raises to faculty and staff, that they now can't find the money to pay..(now I'm pretty sure @dpic73 will take me to task for omitting a lot of the structural changes that occurred between 1992 and 2010, but just to jump ahead of the criticism, I'm aware...But the major problem began with the Obama administration)
All because money was flowing freely. The end result...the $100 billion we were going to make might actually cost the government double or triple and we've saddled young Americans with debt that will define their lives. And the young people's solution to their debt problem? Of course, government spending in the form of debt forgiveness.
Now, the new direction is government provided healthcare in the form of Medicare for all. And, in opposition to your final paragraph, the same folks who cheered on government loans for education line up to support yet another government program with even more important/severe consequences....but, of course, this program will be different - from student loans, Medicaid, SNAP, welfare.
The Democrat position since I have been even remotely involved in politics (1985) has been higher taxes, more social programs, cut defense. There might have been minor variations along the way...but these have been underlying themes. The left believes government is the solution and I doubt that will change in my lifetime.
Guess what guys? Not only can you pay much higher taxes and enjoy more fiery riots, but you can also make a lot LESS money in France! Let's vote for their policies! Average income with a bachelor's degree in each country:
| Country | Estimated average annual earnings |
|---|---|
| United States | $95,000–$100,000 |
| France | €48,980 (~$57,000) |
Gaddam homie spent HOURS yesterday just posting his Twitter feed directly to the thread. Some of yall need to spend a little less time on social media
I asked for reputable sources and he sent me twitter links LOL
Where’s this graph from? SSA data has avg American earnings at $69k and median at $65k
ChatGPT. As my post says, "Average income with a bachelor's degree in each country."
Ah gotcha - yeah when accounting for a bachelor’s fidelity has it at ~$81k in the U.S. so still a good bit higher than France
There is a ton of information here directly from French government officials, citizens, journalists, etc…. Literally tons.
Figured including a bachelor's is a better proxy for this board. And $81K is the median whereas the average is quite a bit higher, reflecting the greater potential for exceptional incomes in the US vs. France.
Imagine averaging only $57K per year with a college degree and having 50% more taken by the government than in the US... Gross.
Eh I think it depends on your priorities. COL in france is much lower than the U.S., and as such the avg income reflects that. France takes more in taxes, but their citizens get more social safety than in the U.S. They’ve traded higher taxes for more social security, and that jives with their culture over there.
You should compare total economic well-being, not just salaries or tax rates in isolation. You think they’d trade early retirement for a sovereign nation? All that social safety net and they’re burning it down lol.
France riots like the US funds wars overseas - it's kind of what they do, and have done for centuries. France isn't losing their sovereignty, despite however many twitter videos your rage algo feeds you about brown people rioting.
Scotch didn't bring up economic well-being - he brought up salaries and I wanted to stay on topic.
It’s awesome to watch you rationalize burning churches and monuments to the ground as just everyday business in France. I guess that’s why left wing media won’t talk about it, it’s just normal for leftist enclaves to be set on fire.
Lol - the France riots are front page on every major news publication's websites. What left wing media isn't talking about it? Or is that just some regurgitated rage slop from some random overseas agitator on twitter?It’s awesome to watch you rationalize burning churches and monuments to the ground as just everyday business in France. I guess that’s why left wing media won’t talk about it, it’s just normal for leftist enclaves to be set on fire.
Those include videos from French news sources & interviews with French citizens.
Keep that CNN feed rolling though & you can keep those warm fuzzies that it’s just a “Minor student uprising”.
Definitely slop lol. Anything that’s not aligned with the leftistst narrative is slop. Fact remains liberal politicians passed liberal policies that led to this. Period. Call it whatever you want, rationalize it, hell just ignore it, it’s still the fact.
There’s plenty on here from the proverbial horses mouth. They’re just not willing to abandon their religion yet.Those include videos from French news sources & interviews with French citizens.
Keep that CNN feed rolling though & you can keep those warm fuzzies that it’s just a “Minor student uprising”.
You should spend less time guzzling rageslop on social media. It's no surprise some of the most aggressive and unhinged posters on here are the ones that spend all their time posting twitter videos of outrage porn.
It's slop when its whole purpose is to outrage people and have you running to other social media sites to post unhinged comments about how the west is being overrun by "the third world." I'm just thankful I don't get my dopamine hits by reading outrage porn at 6am every day.
This will all be last page news in about 3 weeks after the midterms have come and the social media algos adjust to something new to get you raging about.
More French news from French police and journalists for you all.
BREAKING:
French police have encountered rioters and looters armed with AK47s and Scorpion submachine guns on the streets of Paris, Marseille and Lyon.
The information comes from the Le Journal du Dimanche journalist Laura Tchekov, who says that her newspaper has received this information from sources within the DGSI, France’s main internal security agency.
The weapons were carried by minors and young adults described as being part of organized crime groups but sometimes also close to the Islamist movement in France.
The journalist says that not all armed
rioters were arrested and that several of them remain on free foot.
It’s believed that police officers refrained from making arrests as they thought they could be both outmanned and outgunned at the moment and that hundreds of people were on the streets, creating a risk of a shoot-out that could have resulted in a large number of wounded and dead.
BREAKING:
French police have encountered rioters and looters armed with AK47s and Scorpion submachine guns on the streets of Paris, Marseille and Lyon.
The information comes from the Le Journal du Dimanche journalist Laura Tchekov, who says that her newspaper has received this information from sources within the DGSI, France’s main internal security agency.
The weapons were carried by minors and young adults described as being part of organized crime groups but sometimes also close to the Islamist movement in France.
The journalist says that not all armed
rioters were arrested and that several of them remain on free foot.
It’s believed that police officers refrained from making arrests as they thought they could be both outmanned and outgunned at the moment and that hundreds of people were on the streets, creating a risk of a shoot-out that could have resulted in a large number of wounded and dead.
I think it depends on whether you're doing individual or household...household is $87460...individual is around your $65k number
median for person with college degree is$83668...according to all knowing google
Journal du Dimanche is the French equivalent of something like The Intercept for the left, and Viregard 24 has a penchant for over embellishing/misleading. I'd wait for other more reputable outlets to chime in - especially if it's from the source and not being provided 2nd hand by a political aggregator (Viregard24).
Who said I was justifying anything? I don't approve of any violence or rioting period. Re-read that as many times as you need to until it sinks in please.
Melting pot may be the wrong term for where we are currently, but unlike European countries who have 1000+ years of mono-culture before the immigration crisis, we started off as a mixed bag and we are more of a blended culture now. As one piece of evidence, a full 10% of NBA players are now mixed-race( see Steph Curry, Klay Thompson etc...) Can you even define our culture without describing influences from multiple other nationalities/races?
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