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KingLando

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Manske needs to start. Immediately. Against Purdue.
Why? I'm not against it but what does this do?
If anything it hurts us as we try to add players via the portal. Do you think next year's QB is on our roster now? I dont.
 

pendal1

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Manske needs to start. Immediately. Against Purdue.
I disagree. I agree that Manske should get some work but you have to try and win every game. That said Becht does some good things but those two interceptions were awful. There's no way a guy with his experience should throw those two passes. The sack and fumble is also a product of not knowing what's happening around you. Can't happen.
 

KingLando

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Because Rocco Becht is a 5th year season who is worse than Matt Senneca
He's not worse than Seneca but regardless you play the best guy. If Rocco is your best he plays.
Again it's not even about Rocco...its about the optics for portal guys in 2027 which we clear need a lot of
 

Ram20

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I agree with the OP, this is the NFL now guys, you forgot. Campbell's loyalties to these ISU guys are an abdication of his responsibility. The season is over, like in the NFL, they are going to have to negotiate contracts with all players on this roster. He should really be playing everyone at this point and trying to understand who they should pay or not. He said in the post game that there is NO consideration to benching becht......how is that possible? Is this manske kid worth $2M next year or not? How do we know?
 

KingLando

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I agree with the OP, this is the NFL now guys, you forgot. Campbell's loyalties to these ISU guys are an abdication of his responsibility. The season is over, like in the NFL, they are going to have to negotiate contracts with all players on this roster. He should really be playing everyone at this point and trying to understand who they should pay or not. He said in the post game that there is NO consideration to benching becht......how is that possible? Is this manske kid worth $2M next year or not? How do we know?
Why does anyone think Manske is starting next year? We'll be chasing a portal QB like most teams. Maybe we get Underwood and those that like dual threat QBs can be happy until we play a game. We could also bring Beau back as another coach is going to run him off.
 

Ram20

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What is your basis for thinking manske isnt tge guy next year????????????? Did he not come over from ISU with Campbell? Is he not Campbell's boy(besides becht)? You actually think Campbell portals someone above manske?
 

Psumatt85

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He's not worse than Seneca but regardless you play the best guy. If Rocco is your best he plays.
Again it's not even about Rocco...its about the optics for portal guys in 2027 which we clear need a lot of
He already has his $2m , who would care? , and Matt senneca made less errors
 

KingLando

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He already has his $2m , who would care? , and Matt senneca made less errors
They don't care about money if they don't play
Seneca didn't play as much to make as many errors. Seneca completed only 43% of his passed and had more INTs than TDs. Rocco's better simply by default.
 

Ludd

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He's not worse than Seneca but regardless you play the best guy. If Rocco is your best he plays.
Again it's not even about Rocco...its about the optics for portal guys in 2027 which we clear need a lot of
His loyalty to Becht may backfire for getting portal guys if they’re worried he’s going to be equally loyal to Manske.
 
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pendal1

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He already has his $2m , who would care? , and Matt senneca made less errors
What we don't know is how Manske is looking in practice. Maybe he's not lighting the world on fire relatively speaking.
As I said we have a lot of guys that could be replaced. Our entire defensive line is bad. Ebel is bad. The offensive line is okay in pass protection but horrible at run blocking. I think you get what I'm saying.
And the offensive line includes three highly ranked Penn State guys. My biggest gripe is who the hell recommended these defensive tackles and ends. There's not an average player in the group.
 
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KingLando

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His loyalty to Becht may backfire for getting portal guys if they’re worried he’s going to be equally loyal to Manske.
you keep saying "loyalty"--who says it's not simply that he thinks Rocco is right now his best chance to win (as scary as that is)
Why would someone be concerned when he didn't go to Manske now? If he goes to Manske now, we're less likely to get a portal QB--just using your logic
 

Psumatt85

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you keep saying "loyalty"--who says it's not simply that he thinks Rocco is right now his best chance to win (as scary as that is)
Why would someone be concerned when he didn't go to Manske now? If he goes to Manske now, we're less likely to get a portal QB--just using your logic in h

you keep saying "loyalty"--who says it's not simply that he thinks Rocco is right now his best chance to win (as scary as that is)
Why would someone be concerned when he didn't go to Manske now? If he goes to Manske now, we're less likely to get a portal QB--just using your logic
If the best option to win is a qb who can’t beat Lehigh, he doesn’t belong at PSU
 

Ludd

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you keep saying "loyalty"--who says it's not simply that he thinks Rocco is right now his best chance to win (as scary as that is)
Why would someone be concerned when he didn't go to Manske now? If he goes to Manske now, we're less likely to get a portal QB--just using your logic
If Manske turns out to be good, then who cares about portal QB’s?
 

KingLando

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We see how much a veteran QB is helping us this year.
And I wonder how different things would be with Howard healthy--we know from Becht's past he's WR reliant
Honestly, do you want to go into 2027 with Manske as QB1? If you do, that's cool but I find that hard to believe.
 

Ludd

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And I wonder how different things would be with Howard healthy--we know from Becht's past he's WR reliant
Honestly, do you want to go into 2027 with Manske as QB1? If you do, that's cool but I find that hard to believe.
Hard to say since we don’t get to see him play.
 
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Psumatt85

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You do realize he has more FBS wins than any other QB right now, right?
You can make a much better argument if you're honest with the criticisms instead of acting like chumbo
Do you realize he is 0-4 in the big ten in 2026 as a fifth year senior and had 3 to that led to all the opponents points?
 

KingLando

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Do you realize he is 0-4 in the big ten in 2026 as a fifth year senior and had 3 to that led to all the opponents points?
And you realize he's won 29 games in his career so stop with the Lehigh and Seneca nonsense and be brutally criticial with reality
He cost us the game today with 3 horrible mistakes--he should have been benched after the 2nd pick--you can be critical without being ridiculous.
We also didn't lose last week because of him--he actually played well vs USC.
 

Psumatt85

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And you realize he's won 29 games in his career so stop with the Lehigh and Seneca nonsense and be brutally criticial with reality
He cost us the game today with 3 horrible mistakes--he should have been benched after the 2nd pick--you can be critical without being ridiculous.
We also didn't lose last week because of him--he actually played well vs USC.

And you realize he's won 29 games in his career so stop with the Lehigh and Seneca nonsense and be brutally criticial with reality
He cost us the game today with 3 horrible mistakes--he should have been benched after the 2nd pick--you can be critical without being ridiculous.
We also didn't lose last week because of him--he actually played well vs USC.
He lost Wisconsin, and Michigan, was not a difference maker against usc, and underperformed with the d against nw. Let’s se what he can do in his last 5 games! 😂
 

PAgeologist

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I disagree. I agree that Manske should get some work but you have to try and win every game. That said Becht does some good things but those two interceptions were awful. There's no way a guy with his experience should throw those two passes. The sack and fumble is also a product of not knowing what's happening around you. Can't happen.
What is Manske going to do, lose the game? In case you weren't watching, Becht has lost every BIG game he has started. Not looking good for much of that time.
 

KingLando

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He lost Wisconsin, and Michigan, was not a difference maker against usc, and underperformed with the d against nw. Let’s se what he can do in his last 5 games! 😂
You're still rambling nonsense. Northwestern is better than us as a whole. Across the board they're better than us.
We lost close games to Wisconsin, Michigan and USC. He has to play better--so do a lot of others.
 
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