40 Million Americans (12%) Receive SNAP Benefits - $100k Income - $500 Month EBT
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Hold on a sec there piggy. These people are in neeeeddd. They are so desperate and struggling. They don’t have white privilege you see.
No dipsht. That’s AI response to your nonsense. I guess they need to call it ChatKKK bc it’s apparently racist too. Cook away, still waiting…..
I thought you weren't using AI to formulate responses?
Regardless, White Privilege is a sociological term found in decades worth of academic studies. It's certainly been coopted as a "political term" but I digress.
Essentially, AI fed you some pretty big bs- comparing "cross-national" murder/violence statistics honestly has no place in this conversation. We're talking about the inherent differences in starting places in the United States. The history and shaping of different cultures in different nations couldn't be further outside the scope of the conversation we were having, and I'm also not interested in it, as I'm far more interested in the history of our nation and how its shaped, harmed, helped, and molded our citizens.
Listen. I thought about this earlier today when I was enjoying my day in the mountains. I don’t care what you think. I’m not interested in discussing anything related to race with a person that believes one race owes another race money for things that happened 200 years ago. You’re a psycho. I’m fine being privileged. I’m fine with you thinking it’s white privilege that’s decimated black culture and communities. I don’t care. Believe what you want. I’m privileged, I’m special, I get everything handed to me, I’m in power, all that. Now you have a good day ok!
why, do his posts refute the basic fact that the privileged race has more people on assistance than any other?
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You can just tag me/ask me big guy. We've had good and measured conversations before, and I've been nothing but measured in this conversation.
you mean it's not logical for someone who never owned slaves to pay reparations to someone who was never a slave?
But what about descendents of immigrants who were not in the country pre 1865 who never owned slaves owing money to other immigrant's descendents who weren't in the country before emancipation. Isn't this latter group entitled to money from the first?
racist
I've called no one racist in this thread, and I've not mentioned reparations once (and the last time I mentioned it on this forum was a year ago, in the context of saying it's something unpopular across the aisle that I believe, but its typically unhelpful to bring up in any kind of conversation. I do not talk about them or argue for them in this space).
However, in the context of this thread, I really do believe (and there are a multitude of studies and data over the past century that backs it up) that the descendants of slavery and the legacy of Jim Crow have vastly put the Black community behind the starting point of the majority of Americans.
It's set them back economically, socially, and otherwise and to assume that because slavery ended 150 years ago and Jim Crow was overturned 60 ish years ago that it still doesn't affect the Black community is simply illogical.
I would like to acknowledge and apologize for the white privilege that caused these folks to have no respect for working class people. Thanks to tigres88 for his enlightenment, I now understand that the generational trauma inflicted on these folk’s ancestors are the primary reason they chose to behave this way. Thanks again.
No now don’t start being bashful. We know it’s whiteys fault. This couple didn’t have the privilege I had. Im white and they aren’t. This has nothing to do with individuals either way. You know that, you’ve been lecturing everyone. Tell us how Jim Crow laws did this. I wonder why they just didn’t say white privilege made me do this. Then all bets are off lol.
Trying to get a straight answer from you is like asking a rock to do math. You 100% endorse reparations. Just say it. Stop dancing around your position. Own it.
What are you talking about? I've owned it multiple times in this thread- I've also (when you've done this same song and dance over and over since last night) told you repeatedly I'm not ashamed of it. Literally IN THE MESSAGE YOU QUOTED I owned believing in them.
But it simply has nothing to do with this thread, our conversation, or anything else. I haven't mentioned them once, its your own lil fixation and you keep bringing it up.
I promise its possible to have a conversation or debate topics without throwing the baby out with the bath water.
I understand this is a sensitive topic for you, but you don't have to lash out because I believe something different than you and engaged you on the topic, and you chose to engage back. I've been nothing but respectable to you throughout this entire conversation, and you keep getting mad- thats on you, and not on me.
I have no desire to debate reparations with you. I also don't know enough about the subject to talk intelligently about them in the way I'd like to, nor is it a subject anyone has any interest in on this forum. I know enough to support them, but that's because I've listened to and learned from Black scholars and the Black community about them. I'm fine to leave it there- I've also NEVER intimated anything other than that to anyone on this forum.
You aren't asking in good faith either, so it's not something I'm interested in talking about, just being honest.
Do you know if the black scholars and community leaders you “listen and learn” from that support that are Christian? I’m just curious.
I lived in St. Louis (Ferguson is a part of STL) and was getting my Masters in Theology when Michael Brown was shot, and what I learned from my Christian Black Professors and scholars during that time changed my life forever.
They held many an open forum about race relations in St. Louis, white flight, systemic racism, the call to bring the Gospel and God's kingdom to anywhere and everywhere the curse of sin touched, that there isn't a square inch of Creation that Christ doesn't call His, that sociological, political, and ideological aspects of God's creation are corrupted just as much by sin as anything else, and that its also where Christians are called to bring the flourishing of God's kingdom through the restoration of the Gospel, that the call of Christians was to not just evangelize, but to bring about blessing to the entirety of Creation (Israel was set apart, blessed to be a blessing, and is still the call of the New Covenant), bringing God's kingdom to every single place the curse of sin has broken.
I could go on and on- Thinking of sin as only "I've done bad things" rather than a curse upon all of what God created to be perfect is a rudimentary and frankly, a reduction of the theology of what Sin actually is, and what it breaks, thus truncating and reducing the power of Christ's sacrifice.
There are deep roots of racism in our country's history, and my Evangelical Professors and Scholars were not scared to identify that as systemic and long lasting, as sin always manifests in that way. Learning, listening to, and hearing from people that have had different experiences in this nation than we have helps us to understand the Gospel better, as they understand the nature of sin and the redemption of Christ through a different lens than we are able to, because they experience the Gospel and the freedom therein in a light we haven't.
In the scenario we are discussing, would you say that whites are collectively responsible and therefore guilty of sinning in terms of slavery here in America? Is that accurate or is that misinterpreted.
No, I'm saying that all of humanity is culpable and responsible for sin, both individually and collectively (The Westminster Confession details this beautifully), and thus anywhere the curse has broken what God made perfect, Christians are called to enter and bring about the Gospel of Grace, goodness, and flourishing of God's Kingdom. Thus, you aren't perhaps individually responsible for owning slaves, and I'm not even necessarily ARGUING that collectively we are responsible for our ancestors who owned slaves.
What mankind (or Christians) ARE responsible for is seeing, believing, and understanding the affects of the sin done to others individually and collectively (in this instance, slavery and the ramifications therein), and working to bring about redemption and restoration to those places, both individually and collectively.
I truly believe there is great brokenness that is long lasting (sins of the father, generational sin, etc., not to mention this theme is detailed all throughout Scripture and the Confessions) that mankind/Christians should not turn a blind eye to nor disregard, as mandated in the bringing about God's kingdom.
Sure but is it not important to be precise about what makes a group culpable, what kind of guilt is involved, and who is responsible for what? Also in scripture you see - group sin, then you see consequence -repeated, you do not see the transfer of guilt or responsibility. Consequences may last but the guilt does not. I agree we should acknowledge and care but I do not agree with bearing the guilt of something I’d never do.
Feel the same way
Some people want to blame and shame people who are successful and take care of their lives while living off welfare usually fraudulent and those people want to rationalize their failures so they can feel wonderful about themselves
No to your perpetual welfare folks you are marking yourself as inferior as a human by your own conduct
On the contrary, Scripture is clear (and Westminster, et all) that the guilt of sin is indeed imputed to us all. It's shame that isn't imputed on us; what this means is that the sins of our Fathers is indeed something we SHOULD feel remorse for (guilt), though we shouldn't let it define us (shame).
Regardless, what we are responsible for is the ways in which the curse of Sin across that which God created as perfect, and its ramifications, is indeed imputed upon us generationally and is something we should care about and seek to redeem as part of our calling to bring God's Kingdom to the totality of His Creation through which mankind corrupted in sin.
It is indeed our responsibility and our call to seek those places, ESPECIALLY the places that are in our backyard/close to our context and that which we can actually affect change for the good of the Gospel in a meaningful way to bring about the flourishing of God's Kingdom.
I feel like you prioritize one problem and simultaneously ignore every other problem.
If Christians are called to recognize generational sin, feel remorse for their ancestors wrongdoing, and seek restoration wherever they can make a difference, would you apply that same principle to every group and every historical injustice? And if so, how do you distinguish inherited guilt from a present responsibility to repair harm? And where do you eventually draw the line on the injustice?
Yes, this is the inherent issue I'd argue (and was taught!). Humans, Christians or not, have only a certain level of empathy that we can handle. The proverbial "empathy" bucket gets full quick. That's where Grace comes in, no? Christians are called to be agents of God's kingdom, but they aren't Christ themselves.
For instance- I actually wholeheartedly AGREE with you that there are many on SNAP/Welfare because they are lazy. I also agree (in some ways) with the idea that there is a large swath of people that are on the "government drip" and vote Democrat because it allows them to continue to live off the government and are lazy.
But I also understand why those programs exist, and have empathy for it. I also respect the individual and I don't know their story, and why they're on those programs. So I try and have grace and understanding.
At the end of the day, I try to move towards everyone and everything (as part of God's intention, that it is good and perfect before the curse of sin) in a positive and optimistic way, as thats how God intended it.
I don't like Donald Trump. I think the Maga movement is an incredibly dark period in our country's timeline- and yet, time and time again, I have said on this forum that I really DO understand why the movement resonates, and why Trump was elected twice. There is a significant portion of our population that feels underrepresented and unheard, and I have empathy for that, regardless of how I feel otherwise.
But back to the point, I think my impetus here is that humans (or Christians) HAVE to have selective empathy. We can't care about/bring God's kingdom to everything or everywhere at all times. We are human. But we can be and should be open to, and try and understand, those who ARE different than us, who THINK differently than us, and who HAVE different stories than us, without being defensive or getting our hackles up.
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