Hines

[HALL85]

So we are a farm team….

 

[Fishjam]

Say the bar was 20 mpg 14 ppg 8 rpg does he exceed that?

On his nba prospects he has no face up/away from the basket game to speak of at this moment...no pick n pop no prolonged nba. Also on defense can he switch and at least pedestrian on an iso/island...last season proved no

Disagree about no prolonged NBA. There are plenty of defensive-minded Bigs who are having long NBA careers.

Hines is an Elite rim protector and a beast on both offensive and defensive boards with legit size, strength, length and hands. That alone will give him an NBA career but he has offensive skills and potential also. A year or 2 at UConn and I'll be shocked if he isn't a 1st round pick.

Scouts love efficiency and even as a freshman with a limited repertoire and a terrible team offense he shot over 60% from the field and 69% from the FT line with a KP offensive efficiency of 122.4. He can finish with either hand and if he gets in great shape, watch out.

 

[Hall91]

That’s just great.

 

[hallwins]

So we are a farm team….

Very few programs kept all their players.
Willard who generally retained anyone he wanted at Seton Hall and MD, lost a bunch of high performers last year, including the PG who he handed the keys to as a frosh. Seton Hall loses almost everyone, but many good programs lose alot as well.

We need to just hope we can turn this around and the 1 free transfer rule comes into play. IMO, that rule is a huge game changer. Interesting how many guys on this roster have multiple years of eligibility available.

Wilcher - 2 years
Williams - 2 years
Copeland - 3 years

 

[King of S]

Said it in another thread.
Najai is gonna kill it with UConn.

Unless he gets on Hurley’s bad side.

 

[PirateBlue08]

We have nobody to blame but us. Kid did what was best for him. Any of us would have

 

[Seton75]

This is true. On the one hand, understood fan sentiment of having to watch Richmond play us a few times, or now what we will be dealing with on Hines for the foreseeable future (personally, I think he's in college through his senior year, which means we are seeing him probably 6-9 times as an opponent depending on the BE tournament). That sucks. But Richmond helped elevated SJU and Hines will help elevate Uconn, and having teams like that at the top of your league does benefit the league as a whole.

I would not change the rule. It is not like it keeps them from leaving.

Great Jerry story on Devin. And everyone wants to talk about ex pirates. Shiver me timbers.

 

[dehere23]

We have nobody to blame but us. Kid did what was best for him. Any of us would have

You aren’t wrong, but I expect the fan base won’t see it that way when he returns the first time. Recall Kadary got booed every time he touched the ball - granted there weren’t many people there and we were down by 30 pretty quickly - but I’d expect the same level of vitriol if not worse since he went to the conference’s big dog of all places.

 

[Halldan]

We have nobody to blame but us. Kid did what was best for him. Any of us would have

Would you have paid him $4M matching UConn? And even if we decided to match that sum given the choice would he have picked SHU over UConn?

 

[PirateBlue08]

Would you have paid him $4M matching UConn? And even if we decided to match that sum given the choice would he have picked SHU over UConn?

That’s my point though. We aren’t willing to pay and we aren’t a destination of choice. That’s our fault.

 

[HALL85]

That’s my point though. We aren’t willing to pay and we aren’t a destination of choice. That’s our fault.

With the budget that’s been bandied, we can’t afford to pay him that much, and still field a roster. If you’re Hines and you get the same offer from both schools, where are you going?

 

[HallGuy2323]

So we are a farm team….

Yes. And lower teams are farm teams for us.

 

[shu67]

UConn’s Hurley on Seton Hall transfer: ‘This guy’s a monster’​

UConn’s Hurley on Seton Hall transfer: ‘This guy’s a monster’ - nj.com

 

[PirateBlue08]

With the budget that’s been bandied, we can’t afford to pay him that much, and still field a roster. If you’re Hines and you get the same offer from both schools, where are you going?

Again, that's my point lol. And thats all SHU's fault. Hines did what every one of us would do.

 

[Seton75]

Again, that's my point lol. And thats all SHU's fault. Hines did what every one of us would do.

What should SHU have done differently?

I see us as a victim of the new rules. What should SHU do to try to make sure this doesnt hapoen again?

 

[PirateBlue08]

What should SHU have done differently?

I see us as a victim of the new rules. What should SHU do to try to make sure this doesnt hapoen again?

What is the difference between us and Uconn? The fact that there is a difference, and the fact that we are on the lesser side of that difference, is OUR problem. If we want to retain the Hines' of the world, we need to become the program Uconn currently is, or else stop complaining.

It's Seton Hall's fault that we are not on Uconn's level. Who else's fault would it possibly be if "fault" had to be assigned?

Yes, there is uneven resources, but again, that is OUR problem. It's not Uconn's fault they have a great program that has resources to pay kids and does a great job of developing them for the next level.

And I don't want to hear the "small private school" line. Nova, Creighton, Gonzaga, and others have all had success despite being small private schools. If we don't have the same level of successful donors, thats OUR fault!

Any way you cut it, it's our fault. I don't see what's difficult here. Who else's fault would it be? Adriana? Father Intintola? Judge Krater? The Boston Strangler? Who?

 

[hallmatt]

He’s the biggest loss we’ve ever had in the portal.

 

[Seton75]

What is the difference between us and Uconn? The fact that there is a difference, and the fact that we are on the lesser side of that difference, is OUR problem. If we want to retain the Hines' of the world, we need to become the program Uconn currently is, or else stop complaining.

It's Seton Hall's fault that we are not on Uconn's level. Who else's fault would it possibly be if "fault" had to be assigned?

Yes, there is uneven resources, but again, that is OUR problem. It's not Uconn's fault they have a great program that has resources to pay kids and does a great job of developing them for the next level.

Rules did change kinda mid stream. Do you agree they are the problem? That was not our fault. Uconn took advantage, as they should. No blame to them from me. We may not have dealt with the new rules as aggressively as we should have, but I dont think it would have made much difference.

State schools generally have way more resources than private schools. If RU did things right, they could have become Uconn. They didnt. Uconn did. Well done.

We dont have a Repole. We used to, but no longer.

SHU has had less than most BE schools from the start. Used to mean they had a better practice facilty, chartered flights. Now having less means someone else can pay our players more and the transfer rule change says they can do leave no penalty.

What should we do? How should we raise millions of extra dollars?

 

[PirateBlue08]

Rules did change kinda mid stream. Do you agree they are the problem? That was not our fault. Uconn took advantage, as they should. No blame to them from me. We may not have dealt with the new rules as aggressively as we should have, but I dont think it would have made much difference.

State schools generally have way more resources than private schools. If RU did things right, they could have become Uconn. They didnt. Uconn did. Well done.

We dont have a Repole. We used to, but no longer.

SHU has had less than most BE schools from the start. Used to mean they had a better practice facilty, chartered flights. Now having less means someone else can pay our players more and the transfer rule change says they can do leave no penalty.

What should we do? How should we raise millions of extra dollars?

Don’t the rules apply to everyone?

I didn’t say I have the answer for how it should be done. But if it doesn’t happen, it’s our fault as a school. I don’t see how this is controversial.

I don’t understand why we complain. We used how many teams as our “farm program” this year? Name the previous schools of all our transfers. Did we do something wrong by offering them presumably more than their previous schools? Who is to “blame” for that?

 

[donnie-baseball]

Don’t the rules apply to everyone?

I didn’t say I have the answer for how it should be done. But if it doesn’t happen, it’s our fault as a school. I don’t see how this is controversial.

I don’t understand why we complain. We used how many teams as our “farm program” this year? Name the previous schools of all our transfers. Did we do something wrong by offering them presumably more than their previous schools? Who is to “blame” for that?

The controversy is that you keep throwing around the word "fault." Is it your fault that you don't make enough money to be Seton Hall's Repole?

 

[PirateBlue08]

The controversy is that you keep throwing around the word "fault." Is it your fault that you don't make enough money to be Seton Hall's Repole?

Of course it is!

The word fault is appropriate since the complainers on this board keep acting as though someone did them wrong. It’s apparently Dan Hurley or Hines or UConn or the rules or someone other than ourselves. Yet nobody has a problem with us taking an entire team of transfers. Make it make sense.

 

[Seton75]

Don’t the rules apply to everyone?

I didn’t say I have the answer for how it should be done. But if it doesn’t happen, it’s our fault as a school. I don’t see how this is controversial.

I don’t understand why we complain. We used how many teams as our “farm program” this year? Name the previous schools of all our transfers. Did we do something wrong by offering them presumably more than their previous schools? Who is to “blame” for that?

I think we complain cause the new rules not only suck, but they hit us, a small school that competes in a high revenue sport at a high level, the hardest.

I happen to think some rule changes are more likely to somewhat level things than SHU ever finding a way to raise the money to spend like many other schools. And in sports, money is always important, but you still have to play the games. Ask the Dodgers (tge Ners, the Yankees, et al)

 

[HallLine69]

That’s my point though. We aren’t willing to pay and we aren’t a destination of choice. That’s our fault.

And that's why at some point down the road SHU has to seriously consider moving to a lesser conference. Of course if the Big East money we receive continues at the current or higher level we can choose to stay and just expect to be satisfied annually with either middle-of-the-pack or doormat status.

 

[HallLine69]

What is the difference between us and Uconn? The fact that there is a difference, and the fact that we are on the lesser side of that difference, is OUR problem. If we want to retain the Hines' of the world, we need to become the program Uconn currently is, or else stop complaining.

It's Seton Hall's fault that we are not on Uconn's level. Who else's fault would it possibly be if "fault" had to be assigned?

Yes, there is uneven resources, but again, that is OUR problem. It's not Uconn's fault they have a great program that has resources to pay kids and does a great job of developing them for the next level.

And I don't want to hear the "small private school" line. Nova, Creighton, Gonzaga, and others have all had success despite being small private schools. If we don't have the same level of successful donors, thats OUR fault!

Any way you cut it, it's our fault. I don't see what's difficult here. Who else's fault would it be? Adriana? Father Intintola? Judge Krater? The Boston Strangler? Who?

Sound analysis.

 

[dehere23]

It's a combination of things.

It's always been harder to win consistently big here at a certain level. The new rules made it even more difficult.

We don't have $$ like Uconn or the numerous advantages they get as a large public university, although everyone else in the Big East has to deal with that unlevel playing field too.

We don't seem to have a "R" word or enough fan support to generate more $$ compared to peers.

The school apparently did step up from a revenue share perspective so I'm not sure this is entirely on them. In doing so that no doubt pulls money away from other worthwhile endeavors, but it is what it is.

Our HC doesn't help the cause of player retention or fan engagement/support. Certainly not at the level of what we see at other similarly-situated schools, which are far, far more transparent all year and better at player retention for reasons that seem to extend beyond $$$.

 

[dehere23]

He’s the biggest loss we’ve ever had in the portal.

That's my point. And it's probably not even close because he's a sophomore.

 

[dehere23]

And that's why at some point down the road SHU has to seriously consider moving to a lesser conference. Of course if the Big East money we receive continues at the current or higher level we can choose to stay and just expect to be satisfied annually with either middle-of-the-pack or doormat status.

No way we should move down. I'd root for us regardless -- I follow a mid-major college baseball team fanatically because I played there and other family went to the school. But we won 20 last year and weren't THAT far from the dance. And we'll be good again this year.

 

[hallwins]

It's a combination of things.

It's always been harder to win consistently big here at a certain level. The new rules made it even more difficult.

We don't have $$ like Uconn or the numerous advantages they get as a large public university, although everyone else in the Big East has to deal with that unlevel playing field too.

We don't seem to have a "R" word or enough fan support to generate more $$ compared to peers.

The school apparently did step up from a revenue share perspective so I'm not sure this is entirely on them. In doing so that no doubt pulls money away from other worthwhile endeavors, but it is what it is.

Our HC doesn't help the cause of player retention or fan engagement/support. Certainly not at the level of what we see at other similarly-situated schools, which are far, far more transparent all year and better at player retention for reasons that seem to extend beyond $$$.

We need some Sandro Lakers money!!

 

[HallGuy2323]

We need some Sandro Lakers money!!

After taxes and kickin up his share, he’ll be lucky to net $500 out of the whole thing.

 

[dehere23]

We need some Sandro Lakers money!!

Ha. Or we should get KW to kick in given the long leash we gave him as HC, even when he was flirting with the Holy Cross and USF’s of the world. Give us some of that main line Northeast generational wealth Nova cash, now that he is setup for a gig of the lifetime after they just went through the Neptune experience.

 

[radecicco]

It is on SHU. The BE was the 2nd highest payroll league at just under an average of $15 million. Holloway is far from perfect but at $10 million the ceiling is probably 6th at best.

The Athletic ranked SHU 10th despite praising Holloway, saying he’ll have to work more magic to get to 10-10 this year. It’s up to the SHU leadership to get him the money he needs if they’re serious about being competitive in the BE.

 

[PirateBlue08]

It's a combination of things.

It's always been harder to win consistently big here at a certain level. The new rules made it even more difficult.

We don't have $$ like Uconn or the numerous advantages they get as a large public university, although everyone else in the Big East has to deal with that unlevel playing field too.

We don't seem to have a "R" word or enough fan support to generate more $$ compared to peers.

The school apparently did step up from a revenue share perspective so I'm not sure this is entirely on them. In doing so that no doubt pulls money away from other worthwhile endeavors, but it is what it is.

Our HC doesn't help the cause of player retention or fan engagement/support. Certainly not at the level of what we see at other similarly-situated schools, which are far, far more transparent all year and better at player retention for reasons that seem to extend beyond $$$.

I agree, and every single one of those seem like "us" problems.

 

[PirateBlue08]

I think we complain cause the new rules not only suck, but they hit us, a small school that competes in a high revenue sport at a high level, the hardest.

I happen to think some rule changes are more likely to somewhat level things than SHU ever finding a way to raise the money to spend like many other schools. And in sports, money is always important, but you still have to play the games. Ask the Dodgers (tge Ners, the Yankees, et al)

We're in a far better position than most D1 schools.

 

[PirateBlue08]

And that's why at some point down the road SHU has to seriously consider moving to a lesser conference. Of course if the Big East money we receive continues at the current or higher level we can choose to stay and just expect to be satisfied annually with either middle-of-the-pack or doormat status.

Moving down should never be an option on the table. We must find a way to make this work. Others have and we can too. No excuses or giving up.

 

[PirateBlue08]

After taxes and kickin up his share, he’ll be lucky to net $500 out of the whole thing.

There's compromises in life, @HallGuy2323 ... alright give him 1200 ... for the pain and suffering

 

[Seton75]

We're in a far better position than most D1 schools.

Yes, definitely. Way better than most D1s. But few if any schools in a hoops conference as good as the BE are in a tougher spot.