OT: NY Mets 26-27 Offseason Thread

yesrutgers01

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I'll never forgive Stearns for letting Alonso, my son's favorite player by a mile, walk.. The only thing that will allow me to forgive Stearns is a world series championship within the next 3 years. If he can't do that, he should never be allowed back in the state of NY.
This is something the new aged analytics fans miss with baseball- and you hear so many of the baseball greats, including guys that are not all that old talk about- Baseball is the only sport now driven almost 100% by analytics and non-human factors. And the weird thing about the sport, is that the love for it came from the non structured things about it. Football/basketball- there have always been games with strict time factors- baseball- you play until there is a winner. Just so many things- and the feelings of fans- drove the sport.
Stearns actually made up ways to make Pete look bad - and forget about this war crap- his own teammates on the infield loved him at 1B. A bad year is 35 HR/90 RBI - and he loved the fans and the city.
He is home grown, chasing history with the 300-400-500 and maybe HOF. And if he did that as a lifelong Met, then it is something that current 10 y/o's talk about to get their kids and the grandkids excited.

Baseball is one of those sports- And now- I bet, like myself- you have a ton of NY Met fans looking at Baltimore box scores every single day.

The only thing positive Cohen can do this off season is get rid of Stearns but he just isn't going to do it
 

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Says Rojas will be added to 40 man to be protected from rule 5 and others like Voit don't have to be. During lockout 40 man roster can not be associated with team while others can still play minor league ball if lockout drags into season



Yes, that is unfortunate but correct. The ironic thing is that with the lockout, there may not even be a Rule 5 draft this year. But the Mets cannot assume that there won't be. If there is a Rule 5 draft, Rojas will surely be taken if left unprotected.

Others in the same boat among the top 20 prospects are:

Jacob Reimer - #6 prospect
Jack Wenninger - #8
Ryan Clifford - #14
Gary Gill Hill - #16
Chris Suero - #17

My guess is that they protect the pitchers - Wenninger and Gill Hill. Everyone else, I think they take their chances.
 

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Interesting Athletic article about the lockout. It said that the critical date is the 60 game mark, around the end of May.

Here's why. As you might guess, it is all about $$$$.

The current MLB media contracts expire at the end of 2028. MLB expects that the new agreements will be WAY more lucrative. However, if the lockout results in the cancellation of at least 60 games, then the current contracts are automatically extended through 2029. They would have to wait another year for the big bucks.

Why is this significant? Because:

* It provides a strong incentive for the owners to get a deal done in time for a late May restart, thus ensuring than less than 60 games are lost.

* However, if they don't get the deal done in this time frame, the owners might say f-it and blow off the season, figuring the economic damage has been done.

We shall see.
 

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Is that a Mets cap PCA is wearing during his post game interview Wednesday night?
He was 0 for 7 with 4 Ks over the two games.

Yes, that is definitely a Mets cap! And definitely weird, considering he was never a Met, unless the St. Lucie Mets count.

Maybe he felt that he was not worthy of wearing a Cubs cap? Or maybe wearing it was his way of doing penance, like a medieval hairshirt?
 

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How much of the Brewers success is because of Stearns? If this dude came from any other organization, I would totally get firing him now. But the Brewers are a well-oiled, regular season winning machine. What parts of this machine were created by Stearns direct action?
 
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How much of the Brewers success is because of Stearns? If this dude came from any other organization, I would totally get firing him now. But the Brewers are a well-oiled, regular season winning machine. What parts of this machine were created by Stearns direct action?
The Brewers were certainly NOT a well-oiled machine before Stearns got there. Stearns' tenure began after the 2015 season, when the Brewers went 68-94. They improved to 73-89 in 2016, then 86-76 in 2017. Except for the 2020 COVID year, they've never been below 86-76.

We all know that correlation does not imply causality. But the correlation between David Stearns and success (at least with the Brewers) is very strong. I suspect that Stearns had a lot to do with that success. I also believe that the Brewers' continued success reflects very well on Stearns. He built something to last.

None of that is meant to excuse the Mets subpar performance during his tenure.
 
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The Brewers were certainly NOT a well-oiled machine before Stearns got there. Stearns' tenure began after the 2015 season, when the Brewers went 68-94. They improved to 73-89 in 2016, then 86-76 in 2017. Except for the 2020 COVID year, they've never been below 86-76.

We all know that correlation does not imply causality. But the correlation between David Stearns and success (at least with the Brewers) is very strong. I suspect that Stearns had a lot to do with that success. I also believe that the Brewers' continued success reflects very well on Stearns. He built something to last.

None of that is meant to excuse the Mets subpar performance during his tenure.
The Brewers are interesting...The always seemed to hover around that .500 mark in the years before Stearns with a random bad season and a random good season every once in a while. So- they were not really a bad team. They had their big star - Braun...Stearns did a good job of building a process and their farm system and hit on a few good trades and somehow did not make too many horrible trades.
Now- knowing what we know about Braun - it is interesting that a few of the trades where guys came in, somehow had big years when they got there- makes me question it a little. But again- Stearns won more trades than he lost but also made very few "block buster" moves.

Which leads me to ask- why has he made so many horrible trades since coming here when he is the one with full control? It makes me ask- in Milwaukee, were the trades more of a group decision with Stearns getting great advice? Because, when he got here and it is either his voice or what seems to be "yes men" he can't get a damn thing right.

It reminds me of a couple of companies I have worked at where we had an SVP of sales who was great at putting sales operations in place but really didn't know how to manage the day to day challenges or how to assist in closing deals. That person should have been the VP of Sales Operations and brought in a real Sales Manager for everything else. But since they didn't- the whole process fell apart.
 

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I think Stearns strong suit is drafting and developing players hence why the Brewers have been good at replacing players once they leave free agency. And yes the Brewers are perennially very good in the regular season but can't get it done in the playoffs. We are starting to see it with players we have drafted a home grown pipeline is brewing.

His weakness is picking the right free agents and he underestimated that some players cannot handle NY. I would prefer to move on but his $20MM owed and if the minors starts producing solid major leaguers he will stick around but I am not so sure he can get us over the hump to a championship.
 

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How much of the Brewers success is because of Stearns? If this dude came from any other organization, I would totally get firing him now. But the Brewers are a well-oiled, regular season winning machine. What parts of this machine were created by Stearns direct action?
Seemingly everyone had only good things to say about Stearns during his Brewers tenure, and I can't imagine he wasn't a main driving force behind a lot of their success, but man, they sure haven't missed a beat since he left. Definitely makes me wonder how big a role his former deputy Matt Arnold, who runs the show in Milwaukee now, had all along.
 
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I think Stearns strong suit is drafting and developing players hence why the Brewers have been good at replacing players once they leave free agency. And yes the Brewers are perennially very good in the regular season but can't get it done in the playoffs. We are starting to see it with players we have drafted a home grown pipeline is brewing.

His weakness is picking the right free agents and he underestimated that some players cannot handle NY. I would prefer to move on but his $20MM owed and if the minors starts producing solid major leaguers he will stick around but I am not so sure he can get us over the hump to a championship.

Seemingly everyone had only good things to say about Stearns during his Brewers tenure, and I can't imagine he wasn't a main driving force behind a lot of their success, but man, they sure haven't missed a beat since he left. Definitely makes me wonder how big a role his former deputy Matt Arnold, who runs the show in Milwaukee now, had all along.
Both hit the nail on the head...Stearns has a place, but he does need help. President of Baseball operations- may be his best role but he needs a great GM that is given full autonomy.
 

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Both hit the nail on the head...Stearns has a place, but he does need help. President of Baseball operations- may be his best role but he needs a great GM that is given full autonomy.
Organizationally, I don't see how that would work. In organizations that use a POBO plus a GM, the GM is clearly the second in command. The GM may be handling most of the day to day activities, but the POBO would still have total responsibility for approving and/or vetoing all significant decisions. Otherwise, there would be no need for the POBO.

Stearns will be getting help. He now has Derek Falvey, his personal Consigliere, his Genco. Hopefully his advice will be sound and will not fall on deaf ears.
 

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Organizationally, I don't see how that would work. In organizations that use a POBO plus a GM, the GM is clearly the second in command. The GM may be handling most of the day to day activities, but the POBO would still have total responsibility for approving and/or vetoing all significant decisions. Otherwise, there would be no need for the POBO.

Stearns will be getting help. He now has Derek Falvey, his personal Consigliere, his Genco. Hopefully his advice will be sound and will not fall on deaf ears.
How it would work and maybe total autonomy would not be what the GM gets but the GM gets to be the spearhead of the major league roster. Stearns and Cohen would then, only have to give final signoff, but the GM gets to build the major league team and pipeline to the team how he sees fit. Stearns just can't be the person doing the trades and FA signings anymore. He just isn't good at it
 

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Arizona Fall League starts today. Mets have sent eight players, most of whom missed significant time this year due to injury:

Cole Mathis - 1B/3B (#13 prospect)
Bruin Agbayani - SS/2B (#28 prospect)
Boston Baro - IF
Brendan Girton - P
Peyton Prescott - P
Irving Cota - P
Ryan Lambert - P
Calvin Ziegler - P

To me the most interesting are:
  • Prescott - A former big time prospect who had TJS in 2025, his last year in college. Mets drafted him anyway, buying low on him in the 5th round. Would likely have gone much higher if healthy, which he finally is now.
  • Lambert - A highly rated prospect going into the season, who many (myself included) expected to be a key bullpen contributor. Didn't happen due to injuries and wildness. Averaged a walk per inning last year, yuck!
  • Ziegler - A 2nd round pick in 2021 who due to injuries has only thrown 20 innings in four years! He has a long hill to climb.
I don't think the AFL matters as much as it used to. But it still matters. Last year Nick Morabito had an AFL OBP of .450, which helped get him protected on the 40 man, and eventually make it to the majors.
 

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Here is the best I can do in my grading of this year's players who were significant enough to the season to talk about. I stayed away from most middle relievers as that would have just been too difficult. Anyway- this is my take and always appreciate different opinions. ​

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Mets Player Report Card​

2026 Season Grades | Ranked Best to Worst

Hitters​

PlayerGradeAssessment
BengeA+Should be Rookie of the Year. Regardless, he looks like our next David Wright type of franchise star.
EwingB+Came up earlier than expected and immediately brought energy. A real spark plug. Improve his plate discipline and he's an A-level player.
TorrensB+Everything you could ask for in a backup catcher, and then some.
SotoBInjuries held him back, and he needs to deliver more in clutch situations. Still put together a good season.
YoungBExceeded expectations and did everything asked of him. But let's be clear, he's not our answer at starting first base.
AlvarezC+Plenty of power, not nearly enough plate discipline. Still, how many catchers out there are significantly better?
LindorCInjuries took their toll. Terrible batting average, but showed power and got his defense back on track once healthy.
BichetteC-At $20–25 million, he's a B-. At $42 million? Absolutely not. Salary matters when evaluating performance.
SemienC-Looks washed up, grossly overpaid, and we actually gave away money to acquire him. Brilliant.
BatyC-Should be much better by now. His bat deserves an F, but the kid played practically everywhere without complaining. That earns some respect.
VientosFEnough already. Move on.
RobertFSee Polanco. Another complete failure.
PolancoF-Is there a grade below F? His signing alone should be a fireable offense.

Pitchers​

PlayerGradeAssessment
WeaverA+One of our best signings. Naturally, we traded him. Because apparently that's what we do with players who perform.
McLeanAA legitimate ace. And the scary part? I expect him to be even better next season.
ThorntonADoesn't overpower hitters, just outthinks them. Smart pitching still wins games.
ScottBSome ups and downs, but looks like a dependable No. 3 starter with a long career ahead of him.
TongBFinished the season looking solid. Plenty of reasons to be optimistic.
SengaCWas heading toward a disastrous grade until he found himself in the closer role. That saved his season.
ManaeaC-Had a few genuinely good outings. Unfortunately, nowhere near enough to justify that contract.
PeraltaFTerrible for us. Gets traded and suddenly remembers how to pitch. Hmmmm.
WilliamsFDo I really need to say anything else?
PetersonF-Awful here. Goes to the Cubs and suddenly looks solid. Hmmmm. Sound familiar?

My Overall Take​

There's some legitimate young talent to build around, particularly Benge, Ewing, McLean, Scott, Thornton and Tong. But the bigger story is how badly this roster was constructed.

Too many expensive veterans delivering mediocre results, too many questionable acquisitions, and an alarming number of players who suddenly improve after leaving or forget how to play when they get here.

At some point, you have to stop blaming individual players and start questioning the people making these decisions.

And if we're grading the front office on roster construction, contracts and trades, I'm not sure there's a letter low enough.
 

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Here is the best I can do in my grading of this year's players who were onsignificant enough to the season to talk about. I stayed away from most middle relievers as that would have just been too difficult. Anyway- this is my take and always appreciate different opinions. ​

​

Mets Player Report Card​

2026 Season Grades | Ranked Best to Worst

Hitters​

PlayerGradeAssessment
BengeA+Should be Rookie of the Year. Regardless, he looks like our next David Wright type of franchise star.
EwingB+Came up earlier than expected and immediately brought energy. A real spark plug. Improve his plate discipline and he's an A-level player.
TorrensB+Everything you could ask for in a backup catcher, and then some.
SotoBInjuries held him back, and he needs to deliver more in clutch situations. Still put together a good season.
YoungBExceeded expectations and did everything asked of him. But let's be clear, he's not our answer at starting first base.
AlvarezC+Plenty of power, not nearly enough plate discipline. Still, how many catchers out there are significantly better?
LindorCInjuries took their toll. Terrible batting average, but showed power and got his defense back on track once healthy.
BichetteC-At $20–25 million, he's a B-. At $42 million? Absolutely not. Salary matters when evaluating performance.
SemienC-Looks washed up, grossly overpaid, and we actually gave away money to acquire him. Brilliant.
BatyC-Should be much better by now. His bat deserves an F, but the kid played practically everywhere without complaining. That earns some respect.
VientosFEnough already. Move on.
RobertFSee Polanco. Another complete failure.
PolancoF-Is there a grade below F? His signing alone should be a fireable offense.

Pitchers​

PlayerGradeAssessment
WeaverA+One of our best signings. Naturally, we traded him. Because apparently that's what we do with players who perform.
McLeanAA legitimate ace. And the scary part? I expect him to be even better next season.
ThorntonADoesn't overpower hitters, just outthinks them. Smart pitching still wins games.
ScottBSome ups and downs, but looks like a dependable No. 3 starter with a long career ahead of him.
TongBFinished the season looking solid. Plenty of reasons to be optimistic.
SengaCWas heading toward a disastrous grade until he found himself in the closer role. That saved his season.
ManaeaC-Had a few genuinely good outings. Unfortunately, nowhere near enough to justify that contract.
PeraltaFTerrible for us. Gets traded and suddenly remembers how to pitch. Hmmmm.
WilliamsFDo I really need to say anything else?
PetersonF-Awful here. Goes to the Cubs and suddenly looks solid. Hmmmm. Sound familiar?

My Overall Take​

There's some legitimate young talent to build around, particularly Benge, Ewing, McLean, Scott, Thornton and Tong. But the bigger story is how badly this roster was constructed.

Too many expensive veterans delivering mediocre results, too many questionable acquisitions, and an alarming number of players who suddenly improve after leaving or forget how to play when they get here.

At some point, you have to stop blaming individual players and start questioning the people making these decisions.

And if we're grading the front office on roster construction, contracts and trades, I'm not sure there's a letter low enough.
Good analysis. I agree with most of it. I will comment on my areas of disagreement.

Benge - He's good, but I'm not sold he's THAT good. I don't see him beating out Sal Stewart for ROY.

Semien - I'd go D. I think he's done. Remember, his bad contract (+ $5M) was the cost of unloading a worse contract.

Robert - F is too harsh. When healthy, he wasn't that bad.

Weaver - A solid reliever who had a career half-season. Mets sold high on him at the right time. He reverted to career form with the Pirates.

Thornton - On basis of performance, I agree with the grade. In terms of potential, I am skeptical. Would not be shocked if he's back in AAA next year, at least for part of the year.

Williams - He wasn't as bad as his stats suggests. I think he bounces back next year.

Regarding Stearns - I think he is in win or else mode, which scares me somewhat. Execs in "win now" mode sometimes make imprudent decisions. But I admit that I have PCA derangement syndrome.
 

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Here is the best I can do in my grading of this year's players who were significant enough to the season to talk about. I stayed away from most middle relievers as that would have just been too difficult. Anyway- this is my take and always appreciate different opinions. ​

​

Mets Player Report Card​

2026 Season Grades | Ranked Best to Worst

Hitters​

PlayerGradeAssessment
BengeA+Should be Rookie of the Year. Regardless, he looks like our next David Wright type of franchise star.
EwingB+Came up earlier than expected and immediately brought energy. A real spark plug. Improve his plate discipline and he's an A-level player.
TorrensB+Everything you could ask for in a backup catcher, and then some.
SotoBInjuries held him back, and he needs to deliver more in clutch situations. Still put together a good season.
YoungBExceeded expectations and did everything asked of him. But let's be clear, he's not our answer at starting first base.
AlvarezC+Plenty of power, not nearly enough plate discipline. Still, how many catchers out there are significantly better?
LindorCInjuries took their toll. Terrible batting average, but showed power and got his defense back on track once healthy.
BichetteC-At $20–25 million, he's a B-. At $42 million? Absolutely not. Salary matters when evaluating performance.
SemienC-Looks washed up, grossly overpaid, and we actually gave away money to acquire him. Brilliant.
BatyC-Should be much better by now. His bat deserves an F, but the kid played practically everywhere without complaining. That earns some respect.
VientosFEnough already. Move on.
RobertFSee Polanco. Another complete failure.
PolancoF-Is there a grade below F? His signing alone should be a fireable offense.

Pitchers​

PlayerGradeAssessment
WeaverA+One of our best signings. Naturally, we traded him. Because apparently that's what we do with players who perform.
McLeanAA legitimate ace. And the scary part? I expect him to be even better next season.
ThorntonADoesn't overpower hitters, just outthinks them. Smart pitching still wins games.
ScottBSome ups and downs, but looks like a dependable No. 3 starter with a long career ahead of him.
TongBFinished the season looking solid. Plenty of reasons to be optimistic.
SengaCWas heading toward a disastrous grade until he found himself in the closer role. That saved his season.
ManaeaC-Had a few genuinely good outings. Unfortunately, nowhere near enough to justify that contract.
PeraltaFTerrible for us. Gets traded and suddenly remembers how to pitch. Hmmmm.
WilliamsFDo I really need to say anything else?
PetersonF-Awful here. Goes to the Cubs and suddenly looks solid. Hmmmm. Sound familiar?

My Overall Take​

There's some legitimate young talent to build around, particularly Benge, Ewing, McLean, Scott, Thornton and Tong. But the bigger story is how badly this roster was constructed.

Too many expensive veterans delivering mediocre results, too many questionable acquisitions, and an alarming number of players who suddenly improve after leaving or forget how to play when they get here.

At some point, you have to stop blaming individual players and start questioning the people making these decisions.

And if we're grading the front office on roster construction, contracts and trades, I'm not sure there's a letter low enough.
Excellent evaluation of the current roster and how they did. You get an "A".
 
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Good analysis. I agree with most of it. I will comment on my areas of disagreement.

Benge - He's good, but I'm not sold he's THAT good. I don't see him beating out Sal Stewart for ROY.

Semien - I'd go D. I think he's done. Remember, his bad contract (+ $5M) was the cost of unloading a worse contract.

Robert - F is too harsh. When healthy, he wasn't that bad.

Weaver - A solid reliever who had a career half-season. Mets sold high on him at the right time. He reverted to career form with the Pirates.

Thornton - On basis of performance, I agree with the grade. In terms of potential, I am skeptical. Would not be shocked if he's back in AAA next year, at least for part of the year.

Williams - He wasn't as bad as his stats suggests. I think he bounces back next year.

Regarding Stearns - I think he is in win or else mode, which scares me somewhat. Execs in "win now" mode sometimes make imprudent decisions. But I admit that I have PCA derangement syndrome.
Can't disagree with your take either. With Robert - even though he showed at least a little when healthy (power) - he still only had 200 AB's and everything else on offense outside of HR's- was pretty crappy for the money.

And I am OK with dropping Semien down even lower. As for Benge - I don't think he wins the ROY but had a ROY season.

Stearns- he has been a disaster in years he wasn't in a win or else mode - maybe the panic makes him make better moves or maybe he gets a real baseball person to help him out a bit this year.
 

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There are seven former Mets on the active rosters of the four remaining playoff teams.

Edwin Diaz - Dodgers
Freddy Peralta - Rays
Steven Matz - Rays
Cedric Mullins - Rays
Gary Sanchez - Brewers
Cole Sulser - Rays
Matt Festa - Guardians

Sanchez and Sulser only made three Mets appearances. Festa made only one.
 

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Is it wrong of me to really want the Brewers to win it all? Not only to run the Dodgers out of the playoffs but more so that the team Stearns left, just keeps rolling along without him while our team and all the money he has to make it great, is still stuck in suck...
 

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Should we try to sign him back? :D
Emoji notwithstanding, it's certainly not the worst idea I've ever heard. But I doubt he'd be interested.

Peralta denies that the Rays fixed him, insisting that he was never broken. But under the Rays guidance, he did revert to roughly the same arm angle as in 2025. With the Mets, his arm angle had dropped, as did his effectiveness. Whether the Mets intentionally changed him, or whether he unintentionally changed and the Mets didn't catch it, is unclear. Probably the latter. Either way, no bueno.

 
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Peralta with 6 shutout innings
He hit 99mph last night, the fastest pitch he's ever thrown. I'm starting to think this mother forker sand bagged the Mets to leave after seeing how sucked up the roster and team was. Can't say I blame him but he cost the Mets higher level prospects so fork him big time. I hope at some point in the post season he's the reason they lose the Championship in an embarrassing way.
 

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He hit 99mph last night, the fastest pitch he's ever thrown. I'm starting to think this mother forker sand bagged the Mets to leave after seeing how sucked up the roster and team was. Can't say I blame him but he cost the Mets higher level prospects so fork him big time. I hope at some point in the post season he's the reason they lose the Championship in an embarrassing way.
Using Peralta as the medium of exchange, the Mets traded Jett Williams and Brandon Sproat, for Aiden Smith, Gary Gill Hill, Emilien Pitre, and Tobias Myers.

I think they may ultimately win that trade.
 

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Using Peralta as the medium of exchange, the Mets traded Jett Williams and Brandon Sproat, for Aiden Smith, Gary Gill Hill, Emilien Pitre, and Tobias Myers.

I think they may ultimately win that trade.
along with $20 mil and a lost 2026 season...This is a part of what happened this year. Stearns gave away every fan favorite and the reason to even come to the park- made excuses why- but promised to be even better with the acquisitions he made - even if he is spending even more money.

So- after his entire plan blows up in his face - we now get to enjoy losing a horrible season and starting all over. And somehow- this all is a win...

And I don't want to hear that we haven't won with the players he moved on from- because- there is not a single one of them that were responsible for us not winning.
 
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