We now support Russia… How far we’ve fallen

[PalmettoTiger1]

Why are you giving a politician a pass, especially for a decision that’s cost American lives, $50B+ in taxpayer money, and inflation? If there was a legitimate dirty bomb threat then we would have heard of it by now

You obviously haven’t worked in a career that involves designing and modeling various scenarios. The current situation is not a surprise - it’s the outcome with the highest probability, which is why even Vance was against the war.

You’re letting your political ideology blind yourself to the fact that the Iran war has been an unmitigated disaster that’s resulting in other horrible decisions such as the Russia diesel deal. As Trump would say: “SAD!”

@ClemsonCO14 @baltimorened

Mr CO14

You made the comment that I obviously have NOT WORKED IN MODELING I have attached baltimorened to this response as him being an openly declared ex military guy understands modeling scenarios regarding operations and missions.

Again you just jump out and make a statement saying something that you base on a few words when you really know nothing about me.

If the Iranian War at around 350 billion US dollars spent versus the Iranian War versus 50 billion spent are good comparisons to look at if we want to compare RIO on return on war investment

ITHINK THE US IS IN A GREAT PLACE WITH IRAN...........................................PATIENCE GRASSHOPPER AND THE REGIME WILL FALL

 

[Moogy]

If the Iranian War at around 350 billion US dollars spent versus the Iranian War versus 50 billion spent are good comparisons to look at if we want to compare RIO on return on war investment

Man, I hope you have around-the-clock care.

 

[TigerGrowls]

You tried to convince us that you're not a China trollbot (you are) by telling us that you work nights. What kind of a worthless POS works night shifts at a job where they have infinite free time to just read and post a constant stream of pro-Trump propaganda? Just how worthless are you, as a human, and how has that impacted your willingness to swallow what a failed reality TV show host - who has outwardly and directly stated that he thinks you're stupid if you like him - has to say about politics?

It's sad but true that it would actually be "better" if you were a China trollbot, because then, at least, you'd have a purpose and a value. Granted, that purpose and value would be against US interests, and just to sow discord and create chaos in the American political sphere ... but you'd have purpose and value to someone, at least. But being some dude who sits alone by a computer from 8 pm to 8 am every day, with no real responsibilities or duties, so he can sift through "fascists r us" twitter feeds and slap them on a Clemson message board his entire workday ... erm, night ... well, that would be one of the most pathetic things possible.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything moochy.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Damage to the deep state einstein.

Yeah. It being a Freudian slip to all things TACO is far more apropos.

 

[Jfcarter3]

Putin could end that war at any point in time yet donnie never says anything negative towards his boss…

Massively underrated post. Why all you MAGAts not suggesting Putin pack up and go home? He is the aggressor, he did invade another sovereign nation, he is actively committing war crimes by purposefully attacking civilians - why is it Zelensky that is expected to do things or make concessions?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Diesel Prices per gallon, according to Claude

Retail diesel in US dollars per US gallon (3.785 L), all taxes included. Latest data is from Oct 5-11, 2026.

Country	$/gal	Local price	Source quality
Finland	10.83	€2.553/L	EU Oil Bulletin-based
Netherlands	10.63	€2.506/L	EU Oil Bulletin-based
France	9.99	€2.355/L	EU Oil Bulletin-based
United Kingdom	9.98	199.5p/L	Matches the RAC's reported record of about 200p
Italy	9.64	€2.273/L	EU Oil Bulletin-based
Germany	9.56	€2.254/L	EU Oil Bulletin-based
EU-27 average	9.11	€2.149/L	European Commission
Poland	≈8.8	€2.069/L	My conversion at about $1.12/€
Spain	≈8.1	€1.903/L	My conversion at about $1.12/€
United States	6.20	n/a	EIA, week of Oct 5. AAA reported $6.343 on Oct 4.
China	≈4.7	¥8.316/L ($1.24/L)	Aggregator
Russia	≈3.6	€0.854/L	My conversion, from a European aggregator
India	≈3.8	₹97.83/L	My conversion at ₹96.76/$; the page's snapshot date is unclear
Japan	≈3.8	¥160/L ($1.01/L)	Aggregator

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Can someone explain how this Russia deal will actually work to lower prices?

 

[TigerGrowls]

Massively underrated post. Why all you MAGAts not suggesting Putin pack up and go home? He is the aggressor, he did invade another sovereign nation, he is actively committing war crimes by purposefully attacking civilians - why is it Zelensky that is expected to do things or make concessions?

Trump is pissed that Zelensky has all of a sudden went after Russian diesel when the US signed to purchase it to relieve prices in the US. This is deep state coordination and it's easy to see right before the election. Zelensky is blowing up the diesel using weapons that the US allowed him to have. You are more of a potato than I even thought if you can't figure this out.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Correct.



HOLY CRAP! Treasury Sec. Scott Bessent just MIC DROPPED every critic of President Trump’s Russian diesel surge deal

"The EUROPEANS have given the Russians more money since the start of this war than they have given the Ukrainians!”

“So for THEM to say that we cannot have a respite in diesel pricing is COMPLETELY HYPOCRITICAL."

Europe spent years funding Putin with energy purchases, and now they're lecturing America about one diesel deal…NOT GONNA FLY

Iran tried to block the world from fuel, and President Trump went around them easily!

Lower prices on the way. No apologies.

Zelensky should step down. x.com/atrupar/status…

 

[TigerGrowls]

Speculation but plausible.



“Leverage” is such a beautiful thing.

Trump and Putin control the energy supply in Europe.

They made a huge deal for diesel and Zelensky attacked more Russian refineries.
He walked right into the TRAP.

Next, Trump calls for Zelensky’s removal because he doesn’t want peace.

At the same time, (behind the scenes) Trump and Putin threaten to shut off the energy to Europe.
The EU and NATO get the message and tell their puppet Zelensky to “immediately” agree to an “energy ceasefire.”

Trump and Putin just “isolated” Zelensky, which REINFORCES the fact that Zelensky is standing in the way of a peace deal and MUST be removed.

Zelensky’s days are numbered.

If he breaks the “energy ceasefire,” the EU and NATO will have no choice but to END all aid.
And if he holds to the “energy ceasefire,” WITHOUT signing a peace deal, he loses more territory every day.

And guess what?

Zelensky doesn’t have long to come to the “surrender” table.

Why?

Because Trump also told the EU and NATO (behind the scenes) that he’s about to declassify all the evidence proving Zelensky’s corruption and THEFT of taxpayers money, at the APPROVAL of the Biden administration AND the EU/NATO.

The isolation and removal of Zelensky is on the clock and I bet he is ALREADY negotiating his asylum in another country.

But he will find out AFTER he signs the “surrender” agreement, that there is no place in the world to hide for his crimes.
I believe he will face justice in Ukraine for what he’s done to that country. He’s committed war crimes against his own people.

It’s not a coincidence that Trump and Marco Rubio just sanctioned the **** out of the ICC ( International Criminal Court).
Removing them from the “narrative” equation.

No “cover” from the ICC for Zelensky by claiming Putin is the war criminal.
The truth will come out.

Timing is everything.

Trump fully controls the narrative now.

 

[TigerGrowls]

A lot of stuff went down in Ukraine. We will find out at some point.



1. The moment Donald Trump revealed he knew the DNC server was in Ukraine, the US Shadow Government franchise instantly cobbled together a hoax to impeach him. What is it called when you KNOWINGLY impeach a President based on a hoax and attempt to remove him from office at a Senate trial?

TREASON.

2. The U.S. Shadow Government franchise launched a Plandemic [no, I didn't misspell anything] to help them wreck the economy, lock the country down, aid them in rigging/stealing a Presidential election, and a byproduct of that operation was the deaths over 1 million Americans.

TREASON.

3. The U.S. Shadow Government franchise has been involved in criminal enterprises involving the deliberate theft and illegal laundering of HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars per year for multiple decades. Some of these criminal enterprises involved working with foreign entities in the illegal drug/human trafficking international networks, specifically illegal drugs being smuggled into the country, which killed more than 1.3 million Americans since just the year 2000. And the importation of terrorist cells into the country to facilitate drug/human trafficking targeting the native US citizen population.

TREASON.

4. The use of official government offices, powers, channels and resources to carry out coups, wars, assassinations and psychological operations targeting native populations both abroad and increasingly here at home. When the US Shadow Government franchise turns its attacks on US citizens in this manner, and subjects US citizens to coups, wars, assassinations and psychological operations, is that not making war on your citizenry, and therefore, your own country? What is the word for that?

TREASON.

When the truth comes out, all of Washington will fall.

And the evidence of what this U.S. Shadow Government franchise was doing to the rest of us will lead to a significant number of its members being convicted at military tribunals for making WAR on their own country and engaging in acts of sedition too numerous to count.

And they will then be stood up against a wall and SHOT by U.S. military firing squad.

Some of them have ALREADY been shot.

 

[ClemsonCO14]

@ClemsonCO14 @baltimorened

Mr CO14

You made the comment that I obviously have NOT WORKED IN MODELING I have attached baltimorened to this response as him being an openly declared ex military guy understands modeling scenarios regarding operations and missions.

Again you just jump out and make a statement saying something that you base on a few words when you really know nothing about me.

If the Iranian War at around 350 billion US dollars spent versus the Iranian War versus 50 billion spent are good comparisons to look at if we want to compare RIO on return on war investment

ITHINK THE US IS IN A GREAT PLACE WITH IRAN...........................................PATIENCE GRASSHOPPER AND THE REGIME WILL FALL

Casual observers reading this thread see that the last remnants of MAGA consist of senile geriatrics like you, who just posted something completely incoherent and dodged the topic at hand (supporting Russia via diesel deal due to failed Iran War), and @TigerGrowls who is back to posting conspiracy theories (DNC server in Ukraine?!?!).

No self respecting American not in the throes of cognitive decline wants to be associated with MAGA at this stage. Look at the company! Lol

 

[Jfcarter3]

Trump is pissed that Zelensky has all of a sudden went after Russian diesel when the US signed to purchase it to relieve prices in the US. This is deep state coordination and it's easy to see right before the election. Zelensky is blowing up the diesel using weapons that the US allowed him to have. You are more of a potato than I even thought if you can't figure this out.

So we “allowed” him to have those drones he developed huh? Pretty sure he’s been hitting refineries for a skinny minute. You can shove your ridiculous “deep state” conspiracy right up your ***. It’ll lodge somewhere near your head. You are almost too stupid to insult.

 

[TigerGrowls]

So we “allowed” him to have those drones he developed huh? Pretty sure he’s been hitting refineries for a skinny minute. You can shove your ridiculous “deep state” conspiracy right up your ***. It’ll lodge somewhere near your head. You are almost too stupid to insult.

They wouldn't even still be in it without huge US support. Low IQ libtards alive and well.

 

[Jfcarter3]

They wouldn't even still be in it without huge US support. Low IQ libtards alive and well.

Dumb *** MAGA pivoting as usual. You said he was hitting refineries with weapons we “allowed” him to have. That is incorrect. Instead of owning it like a man, you shift to just generally say without our help (careful, Biden did a lot of that helping and you don’t want to associate yourself there). Y’all are just low brow, low intellect boot licking drones.

 

[TigerGrowls]

Dumb *** MAGA pivoting as usual. You said he was hitting refineries with weapons we “allowed” him to have. That is incorrect. Instead of owning it like a man, you shift to just generally say without our help (careful, Biden did a lot of that helping and you don’t want to associate yourself there). Y’all are just low brow, low intellect boot licking drones.

No. You are just too dumb to reason with...LMFAO. FAFO

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[Billanole.]

“Don’t believe everything you read“ is a time tested truism.
This “deal” amounts to a piss in the pot and will not move the needle at the pump.

 

[Billanole.]

Wild times. Next thing you know they'll start live streaming public executions

I saw what you did there.

 

[Billanole.]

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/trump-big-announcement-coming-up-diesel-2026-10-09/

LOL, MAGA supports tariffs but also will support a diesel deal with Russia. Putin knows how to play Trump, I’ll give him that.

Surely not the same Russia that helps Iran with targeting info against our troops. That would be unpossible, amirite?

 

[Dadar]

Massively underrated post. Why all you MAGAts not suggesting Putin pack up and go home? He is the aggressor, he did invade another sovereign nation, he is actively committing war crimes by purposefully attacking civilians - why is it Zelensky that is expected to do things or make concessions?

How can Trump accuse anyone of war crimes when he is doing the same. Zelensky and Ukraine seem like the only ones in a conflict today who are trying to not attack civilians.

 

[Billanole.]

Speculation but plausible.



“Leverage” is such a beautiful thing.

Trump and Putin control the energy supply in Europe.

They made a huge deal for diesel and Zelensky attacked more Russian refineries.
He walked right into the TRAP.

Next, Trump calls for Zelensky’s removal because he doesn’t want peace.

At the same time, (behind the scenes) Trump and Putin threaten to shut off the energy to Europe.
The EU and NATO get the message and tell their puppet Zelensky to “immediately” agree to an “energy ceasefire.”

Trump and Putin just “isolated” Zelensky, which REINFORCES the fact that Zelensky is standing in the way of a peace deal and MUST be removed.

Zelensky’s days are numbered.

If he breaks the “energy ceasefire,” the EU and NATO will have no choice but to END all aid.
And if he holds to the “energy ceasefire,” WITHOUT signing a peace deal, he loses more territory every day.

And guess what?

Zelensky doesn’t have long to come to the “surrender” table.

Why?

Because Trump also told the EU and NATO (behind the scenes) that he’s about to declassify all the evidence proving Zelensky’s corruption and THEFT of taxpayers money, at the APPROVAL of the Biden administration AND the EU/NATO.

The isolation and removal of Zelensky is on the clock and I bet he is ALREADY negotiating his asylum in another country.

But he will find out AFTER he signs the “surrender” agreement, that there is no place in the world to hide for his crimes.
I believe he will face justice in Ukraine for what he’s done to that country. He’s committed war crimes against his own people.

It’s not a coincidence that Trump and Marco Rubio just sanctioned the **** out of the ICC ( International Criminal Court).
Removing them from the “narrative” equation.

No “cover” from the ICC for Zelensky by claiming Putin is the war criminal.
The truth will come out.

Timing is everything.

Trump fully controls the narrative now.

Omygod.
What nonsensical drivel.

 

[Jfcarter3]

No. You are just too dumb to reason with...LMFAO. FAFO

In all your 100s of tin foil hat wearing, boot licking drivel, I have yet to see anything in the same ballpark as “reasonable”.

I believe that whole FAFO thing is going to come home and roost here in the next few weeks for MAGA.

 

[Billanole.]

In all your 100s of tin foil hat wearing, boot licking drivel, I have yet to see anything in the same ballpark as “reasonable”.

I believe that whole FAFO thing is going to come home and roost here in the next few weeks for MAGA.

It looks like the Europeans are gonna be letting info out about just how deep pootin has drump. At this point, they better for self preservation.

 

[TigerGrowls]

WOW! A tanker loaded with Russian diesel is about to reach the U.S. East Coast, the first since President Trump's deal with Putin — and it left 2 WEEKS before the deal went public



The Minerva Zen left St. Petersburg on September 22nd, 17 days before President Trump's deal went public.

It’s reportedly carrying around 280,000 barrels of Russian diesel and gasoil, and it's expected to arrive within the next 48 to 72 hours.

MORE IS COMING!

Trump is the master deal maker!

 

[TigerGrowls]

In all your 100s of tin foil hat wearing, boot licking drivel, I have yet to see anything in the same ballpark as “reasonable”.

I believe that whole FAFO thing is going to come home and roost here in the next few weeks for MAGA.

I told you so.

 

[TigerGrowls]

 

[firegiver]

I'm not trying to convince you of anything moochy.

What do you do? I'll go first, I manage technology implementation teams at a fortune 150. Now you go.

 

[TigerGrowls]

What do you do? I'll go first, I manage technology implementation teams at a fortune 150. Now you go.

Ive told you before. You must be the grandpa here. Look it up.

 

[dpic73]

I told you so.

What part of NO NEW FOREIGN WARS did Trump forget about when he unilaterally attacked Iran without consultation? HE is the reason diesel prices have gone through the roof but now he's blaming Zelensky for trying to save his own country from the war that Trump was going to end in one day BEFORE he took office?

Don't you dare ever say again that Russian collusion is a hoax. It's clear as day now that Trump works for Putin, not our allies and as his loyal puppet, you're part of the collusion by helping his bot army spread his humiliating, anti-Western propaganda he demands of his cult. Putin has now been given the clear signal that it's fine to keep slaughtering Ukrainian citizens and knows that Trump won't demand a single thing from him. Shame on you.



"Today, Russia expressed its thanks for the lifting of sanctions on diesel exports by dropping five glide bombs on residential buildings in Zaporizhzhia. As of now, sadly, twelve people have been confirmed killed, including three children. My condolences to all their families and loved ones. Another fourteen people have been injured, and two of them are in critical condition – the doctors are fighting to save their lives. The status of twelve more people who may have been there is still being verified. All emergency services are at the scene, and search-and-rescue operations are underway. Overnight, thirteen of our regions came under attack. Residential buildings, infrastructure, and railway facilities have been damaged.

Last night confirmed once again that in Russia, they take any easing of pressure to mean they can keep fighting, to mean they can keep dropping bombs on cities. Different signals are needed. Russia must understand that it needs to stop the war, and for that to happen, Russia must feel its losses. Right now, it is our long-range capabilities that are ensuring this. And we will respond to Russian strikes. I thank everyone who is helping."

 

[firegiver]

Ive told you before. You must be the grandpa here. Look it up.

No you never have. So go ahead. Gaslighting me and saying I can't remember isn't a defense or an answer. Its not hard, I just told you, and I've said it before to you. Go ahead.

 

[dpic73]

No you never have. So go ahead. Gaslighting me and saying I can't remember isn't a defense or an answer. Its not hard, I just told you, and I've said it before to you. Go ahead.

He's said in the past he works in Telecom if I remember correctly.

 

[dpic73]

 

[firegiver]

He's said in the past he works in Telecom if I remember correctly.

I never saw that communication and I need clarity from him. Does he work at Comporium? Spectrum? I worked in those circles while I was in college. I used to answer the phone and walk folks through reconnecting their residential internet.

 

[dpic73]

I never saw that communication and I need clarity from him. Does he work at Comporium? Spectrum? I worked in those circles while I was in college. I used to answer the phone and walk folks through reconnecting their residential internet.

Ok, I found this but I'll let him give you more details.

Telecom software related. I earn my salary but get a few minutes here and there. I post on my stretch breaks while walking.

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

WOW! A tanker loaded with Russian diesel is about to reach the U.S. East Coast, the first since President Trump's deal with Putin — and it left 2 WEEKS before the deal went public



The Minerva Zen left St. Petersburg on September 22nd, 17 days before President Trump's deal went public.

It’s reportedly carrying around 280,000 barrels of Russian diesel and gasoil, and it's expected to arrive within the next 48 to 72 hours.

MORE IS COMING!

Trump is the master deal maker!

Let’s just be honest with ourselves

The world and President Trump and the administration are miles ahead of us dudes on this website arguing and debating stuff we know little about other than the top dressing

There are so much going on behind the scenes and ongoing discussions it becomes laughable when someone comes up with the accusations about people of either side of politics.

What is really disappointing is the people on here who make a grand statement declaring it to be the
absolute truth according to them when there is ZERO EVIDENCE to support their claims

They think they are so important that their proclamation in saying a lie makes it the truth because they are so holy in their beliefs and passion in there position

This dude I am trading a few comments is a hanging debater

Everyone is guilty of everything he says because he is Immaculately and Devinely Selected that his words are sent from his Diety to Proclaim to the World the TRUTH

Sorry dude you are living in your fantasy bubble

 

[PalmettoTiger1]

What do you do? I'll go first, I manage technology implementation teams at a fortune 150. Now you go.

I see you are saying you were demoted up the corporate chain of command

Happens every day

 

[firegiver]

Ok, I found this but I'll let him give you more details.

We used to play quake arena in one window while answering calls at Infoavenue on Carowinds Blvd in York county.
We used to pass around full movie downloads while doing this as well...
I was on the leader board for having a 7 minute call time.
Was a great job for college firegiver.
They fired long time workers during the dot com crash... but kept me. I got some customer service CHOPS is what I am saying.

 

[firegiver]

I see you are saying you were demoted up the corporate chain of command

Happens every day

What do you do?
Again, I'm doing well. How about you? Got three young kids. How about you?
Yall, only value strength and 'meritocracy'. So get in line bud.

 

[TigerGrowls]

No you never have. So go ahead. Gaslighting me and saying I can't remember isn't a defense or an answer. Its not hard, I just told you, and I've said it before to you. Go ahead.

It's a fact that I told you. Early onset dementia???

For the last time I'm a telecom engineer and I work at night.