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What Would Jesus Do?

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Don't forget, the FBI offered Steele $1mil to verify his fake dossier. When he couldn't, they used it anyway against Trump.
per Google Search AI

Conflicting Accounts
    • The FBI Version: Special Counsel Durham's proceedings established that financial motivations and rewards were dangled to back up the raw intelligence. [1, 2]
    • Steele's Dispute: Christopher Steele publicly disputed the characterization, stating through legal representatives that they were not offered money to "prove up" reporting, but rather that funds were discussed for source resettlement if individuals testified publicly.
 
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tigres88

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Wow. You really believe a lot of wrong things.
Maga has been told conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory in the form of propaganda for so long that they think its all "fact." They have been thoroughly inundated with a false reality, and they take it as gospel now. It will be incredibly difficult to ever deprogram or deconstruct the reality they've created.

This is why the divide is so large in our country.
 

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Wow. You really believe a lot of wrong things.
Really, the 1619 project said that the revolutionary War was fought to protect slavery. Not one prominent person has been found who had that motivation and in fact Thomas Jefferson called slavery a hideous institution. Only a disinformation provider could put out that crap. Some schools actually teach that crap.
 
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per Google Search AI

Conflicting Accounts
    • The FBI Version: Special Counsel Durham's proceedings established that financial motivations and rewards were dangled to back up the raw intelligence. [1, 2]
    • Steele's Dispute: Christopher Steele publicly disputed the characterization, stating through legal representatives that they were not offered money to "prove up" reporting, but rather that funds were discussed for source resettlement if individuals testified publicly.
Per google search AI:
Key Details
    • Raw Intelligence: Steele described the 35-page document as unfinished "raw intelligence" and a "starting point for further investigation," rather than verified or established facts. [1]
    • Unverified Methods: In a court deposition, Steele admitted using internet searches and unverified details (including user-generated content from CNN's defunct iReport) to support certain claims about a Russian web company. [1]
    • Hearsay and Lack of Corroboration: Investigations—including the U.S. Department of Justice Inspector General report—concluded that much of the dossier amounted to uncorroborated rumor, hearsay, and analytical conclusions presented as fact. [1, 2]
    • Debunked Claims: Several major allegations in the dossier (such as Michael Cohen traveling to Prague and aspects of the Carter Page allegations) were later contradicted or left completely unsupported by official probes, such as the Mueller Report and Senate Intelligence Committee reviews. [1, 2]
The FBI knew it was garbage, but used it against Trump anyway.
 
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Per google search AI:
Key Details
    • Raw Intelligence: Steele described the 35-page document as unfinished "raw intelligence" and a "starting point for further investigation," rather than verified or established facts. [1]
    • Unverified Methods: In a court deposition, Steele admitted using internet searches and unverified details (including user-generated content from CNN's defunct iReport) to support certain claims about a Russian web company. [1]
    • Hearsay and Lack of Corroboration: Investigations—including the U.S. Department of Justice Inspector General report—concluded that much of the dossier amounted to uncorroborated rumor, hearsay, and analytical conclusions presented as fact. [1, 2]
    • Debunked Claims: Several major allegations in the dossier (such as Michael Cohen traveling to Prague and aspects of the Carter Page allegations) were later contradicted or left completely unsupported by official probes, such as the Mueller Report and Senate Intelligence Committee reviews. [1, 2]
The FBI knew it was garbage, but used it against Trump anyway.
You supply a lot of pertinent details. However, the fraud and disinformation is even simpler than that. The primary source of the steele dossier, Igor Danchenko said that it was gossip in the actual FBI files. So, the massive fishing expedition was total garbage and the fact that it was total garbage was actually in the FBI files and there was not one FBI agent honest and decent enough to call out the fraud.
 
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Lefties not acknowledging the fraud of the New York times on the 1619 article got me thinking about other potential leaders of the revolution. Here's what George Washington had to say about slavery:

In a letter to Robert Morris dated April 12, 1786, Washington wrote:

"There is not a man living who wishes more sincerely than I do, to see a plan adopted for the abolition of it."
 

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Apparently the early versions of the 1619 Project may have overstated the importance of slavery as a cause for the American Revolution.

Otherwise, it seems pretty on target.

Racists use a few errors or overstatements (later corrected) to dismiss the whole thing. Because, you know, slavery wasn't all that.
________________________________________________________________

Claude says this:

Core thesis: Slavery and its legacy are central to American history, not a side issue. It frames 1619, when enslaved Africans arrived in Virginia, as a national starting point.

Main arguments

ThemeClaim
FoundingProtecting slavery was a motive for some colonists' break with Britain (the most contested claim)
EconomySlave labor, especially cotton, built American capitalism (Matthew Desmond's essay)
DemocracyBlack Americans repeatedly forced the country to live up to its stated ideals
Reconstruction and Jim CrowGains after the Civil War were rolled back by violence and law
Present-day disparitiesSlavery's legacy shapes the racial wealth gap, health care, housing and transit, and mass incarceration
CultureBlack Americans shaped American music, food and language

Reception and corrections
  • Recognition: Hannah-Jones won the 2020 Pulitzer Prize for Commentary for her lead essay. It was later expanded into a 2021 book and a 2023 Hulu series, and a Pulitzer Center curriculum accompanied it.
  • Historian criticism: In December 2019, five historians (Gordon Wood, James McPherson, Sean Wilentz, James Oakes and Victoria Bynum) wrote to the Times disputing the Revolution claim and other points. Other historians defended the project's overall thrust.
  • Times correction: In March 2020, the Times changed the text to say "some of the colonists" rather than implying it was a primary motive for the colonies as a whole.
  • The 1619 date: Critics note that enslaved Africans were present in Spanish-held North America before 1619. The date marks the first arrival in the English colony of Virginia.
  • Political fallout: Trump created the 1776 Commission in 2021 as a rebuttal, and several states restricted how related concepts can be taught.
 

DailyBuck7

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Apparently the early versions of the 1619 Project may have overstated the importance of slavery as a cause for the American Revolution.

Otherwise, it seems pretty on target.

Racists use a few errors or overstatements (later corrected) to dismiss the whole thing. Because, you know, slavery wasn't all that.
_______________________________________________________________ nation

ThemeClaim
FoundingProtecting slavery was a motive for some colonists' break with Britain (the most contested claim)
EconomySlave labor, especially cotton, built American capitalism (Matthew Desmond's essay)
DemocracyBlack Americans repeatedly forced the country to live up to its stated ideals
Reconstruction and Jim CrowGains after the Civil War were rolled back by violence and law
Present-day disparitiesSlavery's legacy shapes the racial wealth gap, health care, housing and transit, and mass incarceration

Apparently the early versions of the 1619 Project may have overstated the importance of slavery as a cause for the American Revolution.

Otherwise, it seems pretty on target.

Racists use a few errors or overstatements (later corrected) to dismiss the whole thing. Because, you know, slavery wasn't all that.
________________________________________________________________

Claude says this:

Core thesis: Slavery and its legacy are central to American history, not a side issue. It frames 1619, when enslaved Africans arrived in Virginia, as a national starting point.

Main arguments

ThemeClaim
FoundingProtecting slavery was a motive for some colonists' break with Britain (the most contested claim)
EconomySlave labor, especially cotton, built American capitalism (Matthew Desmond's essay)
DemocracyBlack Americans repeatedly forced the country to live up to its stated ideals
Reconstruction and Jim CrowGains after the Civil War were rolled back by violence and law
Present-day disparitiesSlavery's legacy shapes the racial wealth gap, health care, housing and transit, and mass incarceration
CultureBlack Americans shaped American music, food and language

Reception and corrections
  • Recognition: Hannah-Jones won the 2020 Pulitzer Prize for Commentary for her lead essay. It was later expanded into a 2021 book and a 2023 Hulu series, and a Pulitzer Center curriculum accompanied it.
  • Historian criticism: In December 2019, five historians (Gordon Wood, James McPherson, Sean Wilentz, James Oakes and Victoria Bynum) wrote to the Times disputing the Revolution claim and other points. Other historians defended the project's overall thrust.
  • Times correction: In March 2020, the Times changed the text to say "some of the colonists" rather than implying it was a primary motive for the colonies as a whole.
  • The 1619 date: Critics note that enslaved Africans were present in Spanish-held North America before 1619. The date marks the first arrival in the English colony of Virginia.
  • Political fallout: Trump created the 1776 Commission in 2021 as a rebuttal, and several states restricted how related concepts can be taught.

Apparently the early versions of the 1619 Project may have overstated the importance of slavery as a cause for the American Revolution.

Otherwise, it seems pretty on target.

Racists use a few errors or overstatements (later corrected) to dismiss the whole thing. Because, you know, slavery wasn't all that.
________________________________________________________________

Claude says this:

Core thesis: Slavery and its legacy are central to American history, not a side issue. It frames 1619, when enslaved Africans arrived in Virginia, as a national starting point.

Main arguments

ThemeClaim
FoundingProtecting slavery was a motive for some colonists' break with Britain (the most contested claim)
EconomySlave labor, especially cotton, built American capitalism (Matthew Desmond's essay)
DemocracyBlack Americans repeatedly forced the country to live up to its stated ideals
Reconstruction and Jim CrowGains after the Civil War were rolled back by violence and law
Present-day disparitiesSlavery's legacy shapes the racial wealth gap, health care, housing and transit, and mass incarceration
CultureBlack Americans shaped American music, food and language

Reception and corrections
  • Recognition: Hannah-Jones won the 2020 Pulitzer Prize for Commentary for her lead essay. It was later expanded into a 2021 book and a 2023 Hulu series, and a Pulitzer Center curriculum accompanied it.
  • Historian criticism: In December 2019, five historians (Gordon Wood, James McPherson, Sean Wilentz, James Oakes and Victoria Bynum) wrote to the Times disputing the Revolution claim and other points. Other historians defended the project's overall thrust.
  • Times correction: In March 2020, the Times changed the text to say "some of the colonists" rather than implying it was a primary motive for the colonies as a who
How easily the left lies. "Apparently the early versions of the 1619 Project may have overstated the importance of slavery as a cause for the American Revolution"

Any fool, would know that the statement that the American revolution was fought to preserve slavery is ridiculous and that the excuses for the lie are just a cover-up to use the lie to make up grievances that are not true. If all of the various things you listed were serious issues, the author and the New York times would not have had to lie (even the historian hired by the New York times to check the project told the times that their statement was wrong but they still went ahead and published the lie.)to strengthen their case. I would add that the author is so stupid that she does not realize that when the black people came to Virginia they were treated as indentured servants and not slaves. Slavery became legalized roughly in 1860 in Virginia although around 1840 there were some precursors to slavery. The basic point being is that the 1619 project is a fraudulent piece of garbage and propaganda masquerading as history.
 
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