It isn't fair to the players

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Imagine a high school teacher who has taught for 19 years whom everyone knows is mediocre at best and is teaching the same way he or she did 19 years ago. Would you want your kid in his class? The players are not getting a fair shake if mediocrity is the best we can do, and Greg is far below mediocrity.
 
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It’s not the Coach!! Coaching ain’t our problem. We don’t have the players because we don’t have the $$$$$$$$.

Football is simple. The bigger, stronger, taller, faster team wins. That’s it! That’s all!
End of story!

its jimmies and joes!

If GS had Indiana players he would be better but still playing weirdo football where you "can't try to win too hard" because stats say its risky. Who else has ever done that point-and-yell, no catch punt reception for a whole season? Who has a bad red zone over three decades? Who calls a TO with 40 seconds to go in the half while up by 50 points (Norfolk in 2007)? Who has a Duff, Strong and AK and only scores 12 passing TDs? The problem is between the ears for GS. I'm not making fun when I say he's on some kind of spectrum when it comes to understanding obvious problems
 
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RUGuitarMan1

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You’re right it isn’t fair to the the players. It isn’t fair that this staff and HC ineptly evaluated and signed FCS level transfer players and asked them to perform against much better talent. It’s been documented that significant resources were available for this season and the HC/staff put this roster together. The fault is on the HC/staff any way you cut it.
 

newell138

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Imagine a high school teacher who has taught for 19 years whom everyone knows is mediocre at best and is teaching the same way he or she did 19 years ago. Would you want your kid in his class? The players are not getting a fair shake if mediocrity is the best we can do, and Greg is far below mediocrity.
I think we all know a few teachers like that
 

scarletbergen

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You’re right it isn’t fair to the the players. It isn’t fair that this staff and HC ineptly evaluated and signed FCS level transfer players and asked them to perform against much better talent. It’s been documented that significant resources were available for this season and the HC/staff put this roster together. The fault is on the HC/staff any way you cut it.
Documented?? Just jawboned….lets see the evidence of all those Zinn bucks.
 

Gregisgarbage

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Imagine a high school teacher who has taught for 19 years whom everyone knows is mediocre at best and is teaching the same way he or she did 19 years ago. Would you want your kid in his class? The players are not getting a fair shake if mediocrity is the best we can do, and Greg is far below mediocrity.
Totally agree.
 

-RUFAN4LIFE-

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Imagine a high school teacher who has taught for 19 years whom everyone knows is mediocre at best and is teaching the same way he or she did 19 years ago. Would you want your kid in his class? The players are not getting a fair shake if mediocrity is the best we can do, and Greg is far below mediocrity.
Everyone is part of the problem. Prove me wrong with actual facts.
 

Caliknight

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If GS had Indiana players he would be better but still playing weirdo football where you "can't try to win too hard" because stats say its risky. Who else has ever done that point-and-yell, no catch punt reception for a whole season? Who has a bad red zone over three decades? Who calls a TO with 40 seconds to go in the half while up by 50 points (Norfolk in 2007). Who has a Duff, Strong and AK and only scores 12 passing TDs? The problem is between the ears for GS. I'm not making fun when I say he's on some kind of spectrum when it comes to understanding obvious problems
Switch coaching staffs and Rutgers beats IU yesterday. Schiano would f that up royally.
 
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jsol_05

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It’s not the Coach!! Coaching ain’t our problem. We don’t have the players because we don’t have the $$$$$$$$.

Football is simple. The bigger, stronger, taller, faster team wins. That’s it! That’s all!
End of story!

its jimmies and joes!
Weren't we bigger, stronger and had more $$$ then UMASS. In 17 years, GS has had only had a winning conference record 4 years. Man if you get paid 6 mil a year, no excuses. Congress is putting a limit on players NIL but not on the HC. People might think this will help us but no players will get paid, it has alway been that way. So if we don't have the $$$ to compete maybe we need to consider our options
 

jsol_05

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You’re right it isn’t fair to the the players. It isn’t fair that this staff and HC ineptly evaluated and signed FCS level transfer players and asked them to perform against much better talent. It’s been documented that significant resources were available for this season and the HC/staff put this roster together. The fault is on the HC/staff any way you cut it.
I think the problem is transfer player don't want to come here. You tell me what would attract a good player to want to play for GS. Players want to win.
 
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scarletbergen

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Weren't we bigger, stronger and had more $$$ then UMASS. In 17 years, GS has had only had a winning conference record 4 years. Man if you get paid 6 mil a year, no excuses. Congress is putting a limit on players NIL but not on the HC. People might think this will help us but no players will get paid, it has alway been that way. So if we don't have the $$$ to compete maybe we need to consider our options
If Schiano goes, the carpet baggers, Zinn and Tate, should go too!
 

PSAL_Hoops

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Look - Greg should and will go at the end of the year. I don’t think there’s a “fairness to the players” argument relevant to the remainder of this season. It’s probably (or at least possibly) less disruptive and therefore might even be the majority preference, if you polled the team individually, to ride out the season with the existing staff.

But the truth is, it just doesn’t much matter. This season is a lost cause regardless and future plans are without question being discussed behind closed doors. Whatever the short term outcome, we have to simply trust that decisions are being made with the long term best interest of the program in mind. Again - this season is done.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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Zinn just started, she isn't going to place her future on a coach that has a losing record. She is gonna bring in her own coach, as she should. Don't think she would have left LSU if she was told she couldn't make a coaching change

Of course she will. But it may just not be worth dealing with mid season. Guys like Duff and Raymond stuck around to play for Greg. Zinn knows what she’s potentially dealing with in terms of the locker room and potential short term politics with picking someone to become interim and getting the rest of the staff to respond positively. Sometimes it works out well to make a change. Other times it doesn’t. The truth is it doesn’t really matter if an announcement is made now or in December.
 

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It’s not the Coach!! Coaching ain’t our problem. We don’t have the players because we don’t have the $$$$$$$$.

Football is simple. The bigger, stronger, taller, faster team wins. That’s it! That’s all!
End of story!

its jimmies and joes!
Indiana had better players and the difference was very obvious. But it still comes down to coaching. Two teams with relatively equal players Indiana vs ohio st, Alabama bs LSU still always comes down to coaching.
 

NickRU714

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It’s not the Coach!! Coaching ain’t our problem. We don’t have the players because we don’t have the $$$$$$$$.

Football is simple. The bigger, stronger, taller, faster team wins. That’s it! That’s all!
End of story!

its jimmies and joes!



 

yesrutgers01

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It’s not the Coach!! Coaching ain’t our problem. We don’t have the players because we don’t have the $$$$$$$$.

Football is simple. The bigger, stronger, taller, faster team wins. That’s it! That’s all!
End of story!

its jimmies and joes!
UMass spends maybe 10% of our spend...Last year- they were the worst team in ALL of football.

Somehow- either they found better jimmies and joes (coaches fault) or they have a HC who is vastly superior to ours????
 

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Imagine a HS with no football, cheerleading or band because of budget cuts, because funding that could have saved every program in jeopardy and a few hundred more were spend on a staff buyout. The kids on this program chose to be with this HC, warts and all. Some are getting a fantastic ability to develop as NFL prospects and display their talent on a big stage. They are getting a free ride and sharing $20 million in beer money. Yeah no, I have no empathy to waste here.
 

scarletbergen

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UMass spends maybe 10% of our spend...Last year- they were the worst team in ALL of football.

Somehow- either they found better jimmies and joes (coaches fault) or they have a HC who is vastly superior
DelusionALs sock is back!
If you fools drive out Schiano with your endless stupid, whining and crying about time outs, and half time adjustments bullcrap, you deserve the horror scene of a team you are going to get. Schiano is the only thing between us and the abyss!

If you fire him, fire Zinn and Tate, drop out of the B1G and stop the madness.
 
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scarletbergen

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If you fools drive out Schiano with your endless stupid, whining and crying about time outs, and half time adjustments bullcrap, you deserve the horror scene of a team you are going to get. Schiano is the only thing between us and the abyss!

If you fire him, fire Zinn and Tate, drop out of the B1G and stop the madness.
PS-I HOPE I’m wrong, but I’m not.
 

vkj91

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Of course she will. But it may just not be worth dealing with mid season. Guys like Duff and Raymond stuck around to play for Greg. Zinn knows what she’s potentially dealing with in terms of the locker room and potential short term politics with picking someone to become interim and getting the rest of the staff to respond positively. Sometimes it works out well to make a change. Other times it doesn’t. The truth is it doesn’t really matter if an announcement is made now or in December.
incorrect. very incorrect
 

AreYouNUTS

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If you fools drive out Schiano with your endless stupid, whining and crying about time outs, and half time adjustments bullcrap, you deserve the horror scene of a team you are going to get. Schiano is the only thing between us and the abyss!

If you fire him, fire Zinn and Tate, drop out of the B1G and stop the madness.
Which one of Greg’s 3 overpaid sons is this?
 

Nycrusupporter

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Look - Greg should and will go at the end of the year. I don’t think there’s a “fairness to the players” argument relevant to the remainder of this season. It’s probably (or at least possibly) less disruptive and therefore might even be the majority preference, if you polled the team individually, to ride out the season with the existing staff.

But the truth is, it just doesn’t much matter. This season is a lost cause regardless and future plans are without question being discussed behind closed doors. Whatever the short term outcome, we have to simply trust that decisions are being made with the long term best interest of the program in mind. Again - this season is done.
They will ride out the season with the existing staff if Greg is fired. One of the assistants will be elevated to interim HC and all the other assistants will be doing the same job for the reminder of the season. The only one who will be gone is Greg.
 

PSAL_Hoops

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incorrect. very incorrect

No - it’s not really. We’re at rock bottom quite honestly no matter what we do and when we do it. Zinn faces an impossible financial situation that is going to severely handicap Rutgers for years to follow. We have no choice based on how bad things are - but understand that for Zinn trying to build a program on a limited budget this situation is a disaster. All he needed to do was deliver one more mediocre season for her. Moving on after 2027 would’ve been expensive but a lot cheaper than right now. I’m sure as Cali said she’s figuring out the best way to play her card with Schiano and negotiate this down.
 
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jsol_05

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If you fools drive out Schiano with your endless stupid, whining and crying about time outs, and half time adjustments bullcrap, you deserve the horror scene of a team you are going to get. Schiano is the only thing between us and the abyss!

If you fire him, fire Zinn and Tate, drop out of the B1G and stop the madness.
We aren't doing the driving, GS is driving himself out by losing every week
 
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vkj91

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Indiana had better players and the difference was very obvious. But it still comes down to coaching. Two teams with relatively equal players Indiana vs ohio st, Alabama bs LSU still always comes down to coaching.

No - it’s not really. We’re at rock bottom quite honestly no matter what we do and when we do it. Zinn faces an impossible financial situation that is going to severely handicap Rutgers for years to follow. We have no choice based on how bad things are - but understand that for Zinn trying to build a program on a limited budget this situation is a disaster. All he needed to do was deliver one more mediocre season for her. Moving on after 2027 would’ve been expensive but a lot cheaper than right now. I’m sure as Cali said she’s figuring out the best way to play her card with Schiano and negotiate this down.
Just stop. We are at rock bottom of nothing. Coaching and support salaries top 1/3 in the B1G
NIL. Top half of the B1G
Talent in our recruiting footprint. Maybe 4? Give you UCLA and USC 50/50 bs Baltimore area.
It’s 18 million dollars to get rid of him. It’s pocket change in grand scheme.
stop having a loser mentality. That’s what he wants. It’s what he’s convinced you guys we are. It’s pathetic.
and no, we aren’t OSU or Oregon and never will be. But we could be a constant top half of the Big winning 6,7,8 games a year.
 
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