Firing Greg makes zero financial sense.

[superfan02]

Firing Greg makes zero financial sense.

We would have to pay $25 million to him and his staff to go away plus pay to hire a new staff.

The athletic department burned $78 mil
last year and has lost half a billion since joining big ten.

NJ and many towns are facing huge deficits and struggling in the face of rising costs.

We will spend all of this for the opportunity to take a flyer on a new coach with the hope they can go 6-6 or so at best with limited NIL.

Our issue is mostly NIL not coaching.

The opportunity cost of "missed revenue" is minimal and Rutgers atheithic donors have a history of not giving.

 

[NewJerseyGuy]

Give it up, Al

 

[Section124]

Go read the other threads for the answers to your question Al burner account.

 

[RUBlackout]

Can you please go with Schiano when we boot his a$$

 

[Knight Shift]

Give it up, Al

Can't spell deusionAL without al.

 

[mdk02]

You and gregisgarbage

Thunderdome

 

[Bueller]

Makes sense though. Not only is there a financial crunch at RU but most good coaches are active now. Maybe better to let a bad situation scale down over coming weeks than to fire GS and make a bigger mess that scales up with drama. Getting flayed by Indiana wasn't unexpected or as bad as other B1G thrashings in the past. If RU won all prior games the team still would not have been competitive. A lot of respected observers are anticipating dire economies around the world with shortages and bubble economies on the drop so throwing wasted millions around might be irrational at this time.

 

[RUfan1977]

Firing Greg makes zero financial sense.

We would have to pay $25 million to him and his staff to go away plus pay to hire a new staff.

The athletic department burned $78 mil
last year and has lost half a billion since joining big ten.

NJ and many towns are facing huge deficits and struggling in the face of rising costs.

We will spend all of this for the opportunity to take a flyer on a new coach with the hope they can go 6-6 or so at best with limited NIL.

Our issue is mostly NIL not coaching.

The opportunity cost of "missed revenue" is minimal and Rutgers atheithic donors have a history of not giving.

On the Rutgers Rant, they said the cost of firing the coach was closer to 28 million over 3 years. Although this year’s record gives everyone a strong argument for firing GS, I would argue that it is not the smart money move for the athletic department as a whole. Instead I would argue we should keep GS and his coaches, but divert football funds to other sports where the money would make a much more dramatic impact.

For the next couple of years, Rutgers should put the money into men’s and women’s basketball, soccer, and lacrosse along with women’s gymnastics and volleyball. With those sports Rutgers will get much more bang for their buck.

I’m not arguing we should plan on keeping GS indefinitely. I am arguing when the cost of GS and his coach’s contracts are finished or at least less costly, Rutgers should hire a new coach and pour money into NIL so the new coach can get the players he needs to be successful. The other sports would no longer have as much money, but hopefully they could stay competitive based on their past success and the fan base they developed while we left GS and football out in the cold for a few years.

Moreover, if we fire GS simply because the most successful coach we have had since Frank Burns is no longer able to put together a competitive team, the most likely result will be another uncompetitive coach like Chris Ash or someone equally as bad. However, in a world of transfers, building a war chest to pump into the program after GS hits rock bottom could result in a truly remarkable and very marketable turnaround!

 

[Nycrusupporter]

Firing Greg makes zero financial sense.

We would have to pay $25 million to him and his staff to go away plus pay to hire a new staff.

The athletic department burned $78 mil
last year and has lost half a billion since joining big ten.

NJ and many towns are facing huge deficits and struggling in the face of rising costs.

We will spend all of this for the opportunity to take a flyer on a new coach with the hope they can go 6-6 or so at best with limited NIL.

Our issue is mostly NIL not coaching.

The opportunity cost of "missed revenue" is minimal and Rutgers atheithic donors have a history of not giving.

The Schiano deadenders are making their last stand, but it won’t work, he has lost virtually all support and is a dead man walking. The University will soon be sprinting away from him as fast as they can.

 

[vkj91]

Firing Greg makes zero financial sense.

We would have to pay $25 million to him and his staff to go away plus pay to hire a new staff.

The athletic department burned $78 mil
last year and has lost half a billion since joining big ten.

NJ and many towns are facing huge deficits and struggling in the face of rising costs.

We will spend all of this for the opportunity to take a flyer on a new coach with the hope they can go 6-6 or so at best with limited NIL.

Our issue is mostly NIL not coaching.

The opportunity cost of "missed revenue" is minimal and Rutgers atheithic donors have a history of not giving.

Being him made no financial sense
Extending him made less than zero financial sense
Firing him makes all the sense in the world.
keep and we not only set the program back even more we lose millions in donations and ticket sales etc.

 

[e5fdny]

On the Rutgers Rant, they said the cost of firing the coach was closer to 28 million over 3 years. Although this year’s record gives everyone a strong argument for firing GS, I would argue that it is not the smart money move for the athletic department as a whole. Instead I would argue we should keep GS and his coaches, but divert football funds to other sports where the money would make a much more dramatic impact.

For the next couple of years, Rutgers should put the money into men’s and women’s basketball, soccer, and lacrosse along with women’s gymnastics and volleyball. With those sports Rutgers will get much more bang for their buck.

I’m not arguing we should plan on keeping GS indefinitely. I am arguing when the cost of GS and his coach’s contracts are finished or at least less costly, Rutgers should hire a new coach and pour money into NIL so the new coach can get the players he needs to be successful. The other sports would no longer have as much money, but hopefully they could stay competitive based on their past success and the fan base they developed while we left GS and football out in the cold for a few years.

Moreover, if we fire GS simply because the most successful coach we have had since Frank Burns is no longer able to put together a competitive team, the most likely result will be another uncompetitive coach like Chris Ash or someone equally as bad. However, in a world of transfers, building a war chest to pump into the program after GS hits rock bottom could result in a truly remarkable and very marketable turnaround!

Other than MBB, there is no bang there. Cap guns at best.

 

[superfan02]

Being him made no financial sense
Extending him made less than zero financial sense
Firing him makes all the sense in the world.
keep and we not only set the program back even more we lose millions in donations and ticket sales etc.

We don't get millions in donations. Our fan base is too small and doesn't give. We're not PSU and LSU.

It makes zero financial sense to fire him. We won't get a payout.

And we will fire him and explode the deficit to take a flyer on a coach to at best go 7-5 and back to the pinstripe bowl in a few years. We're not winning the big ten with our NIL.

 

[RUGuitarMan1]

On the Rutgers Rant, they said the cost of firing the coach was closer to 28 million over 3 years. Although this year’s record gives everyone a strong argument for firing GS, I would argue that it is not the smart money move for the athletic department as a whole. Instead I would argue we should keep GS and his coaches, but divert football funds to other sports where the money would make a much more dramatic impact.

For the next couple of years, Rutgers should put the money into men’s and women’s basketball, soccer, and lacrosse along with women’s gymnastics and volleyball. With those sports Rutgers will get much more bang for their buck.

I’m not arguing we should plan on keeping GS indefinitely. I am arguing when the cost of GS and his coach’s contracts are finished or at least less costly, Rutgers should hire a new coach and pour money into NIL so the new coach can get the players he needs to be successful. The other sports would no longer have as much money, but hopefully they could stay competitive based on their past success and the fan base they developed while we left GS and football out in the cold for a few years.

Moreover, if we fire GS simply because the most successful coach we have had since Frank Burns is no longer able to put together a competitive team, the most likely result will be another uncompetitive coach like Chris Ash or someone equally as bad. However, in a world of transfers, building a war chest to pump into the program after GS hits rock bottom could result in a truly remarkable and very marketable turnaround!

While this is somewhat logical, the problem is the damage that will be done to the program with essentially a lame duck coach. The AD is trying to get and maintain investors in NIL, if they think the program is going to lose and not be very competitive, it will be very difficult to get investments which will limit the competitiveness of the program. The other issue is football is the revenue producer… period. If football is really bad it will be an increasing strain and negative impact on many other sports. Just less $$$ to support all the other sports. I think any AD will say that the football program needs to be good to have a healthy athletic department.

 

[Anon1751457139]

The Schiano deadenders are making their last stand, but it won’t work, he has lost virtually all support and is a dead man walking. The University will soon be sprinting away from him as fast as they can.

100% true. Keeping schiano for two more years guarantees that the program will sink further and further. Schiano keeps saying that "were so close" or "were almost there" without a shred of evidence that the program is going in the right direction. Enough already .

 

[RU#1fan]

Al is a hopeless loser no matter how many aliases he uses.

 

[Nycrusupporter]

We don't get millions in donations. Our fan base is too small and doesn't give. We're not PSU and LSU.

It makes zero financial sense to fire him. We won't get a payout.

And we will fire him and explode the deficit to take a flyer on a coach to at best go 7-5 and back to the pinstripe bowl in a few years. We're not winning the big ten with our NIL.

The only way to substantially increase donor support of the program is to fire the coach, who currently has almost no support, and hire a new coach the fans, donors and sponsors can rally around. This is exactly what happened at Indiana, UCLA and Virginia Tech.

 

[matei]

“The opportunity cost of "missed revenue" is minimal”.
Can’t handwave your way around this as it’s such an important part of the equation.

look at the stadium for homecoming this past weekend. As bad as it was not to get an overflow attendance, You won’t get more than a mere fraction of that from here on in. And next year, reduce that by another 50%. Forget hot dogs and parking and beer sales and so on. Any chance of hitting on any new whales will also have been gone by the wayside.

 

[koleszar]

The athletic department burned $78 mil
last year and has lost half a billion since joining big ten
NJ and many towns are facing huge deficits and struggling in the face of rising costs.

NJ spends $8.2 billion a year on illegal aliens. There, I just solved your NJ towns are facing huge deficits and rising costs problems.

 

[vkj91]

We don't get millions in donations. Our fan base is too small and doesn't give. We're not PSU and LSU.

It makes zero financial sense to fire him. We won't get a payout.

And we will fire him and explode the deficit to take a flyer on a coach to at best go 7-5 and back to the pinstripe bowl in a few years. We're not winning the big ten with our NIL.

This is such a pathetic mindset. One, we do get millions in donations. See NIL. Two, you all wanted Greg extended for Pinstripe bowl performances. Now it’s not a worthy aspiration?
Why doing his is necessary has been posted more times than I can count on this board. You are just to far up GS butt to see reality.
why can every other team beat top 25 ranked teams. Why can everyone but us have upsets.
He stinks. Period

 

[rurx1228]

Firing Greg makes zero financial sense.

We would have to pay $25 million to him and his staff to go away plus pay to hire a new staff.

The athletic department burned $78 mil
last year and has lost half a billion since joining big ten.

NJ and many towns are facing huge deficits and struggling in the face of rising costs.

We will spend all of this for the opportunity to take a flyer on a new coach with the hope they can go 6-6 or so at best with limited NIL.

Our issue is mostly NIL not coaching.

The opportunity cost of "missed revenue" is minimal and Rutgers atheithic donors have a history of not giving.

Rutgers athletic donors do not have a history of giving because Rutgers athletics have very little history of success. Win and money will follow

 

[Knight Shift]

On the Rutgers Rant, they said the cost of firing the coach was closer to 28 million over 3 years. Although this year’s record gives everyone a strong argument for firing GS, I would argue that it is not the smart money move for the athletic department as a whole. Instead I would argue we should keep GS and his coaches, but divert football funds to other sports where the money would make a much more dramatic impact.

For the next couple of years, Rutgers should put the money into men’s and women’s basketball, soccer, and lacrosse along with women’s gymnastics and volleyball. With those sports Rutgers will get much more bang for their buck.

I’m not arguing we should plan on keeping GS indefinitely. I am arguing when the cost of GS and his coach’s contracts are finished or at least less costly, Rutgers should hire a new coach and pour money into NIL so the new coach can get the players he needs to be successful. The other sports would no longer have as much money, but hopefully they could stay competitive based on their past success and the fan base they developed while we left GS and football out in the cold for a few years.

Moreover, if we fire GS simply because the most successful coach we have had since Frank Burns is no longer able to put together a competitive team, the most likely result will be another uncompetitive coach like Chris Ash or someone equally as bad. However, in a world of transfers, building a war chest to pump into the program after GS hits rock bottom could result in a truly remarkable and very marketable turnaround!

Typical disingenuous argument from the NJ.com losers. Estimate 15,000 fewer seats sold per season at a cost of $700 per seat, which may be conservative factoring in parking, concessions, etc, and Rutgers is losing $8-10M in ticket revenue per year, and a lot in donations. But those simpletons never did a P and L statement or know how to use a spreadsheet.

 

[rufan4ever]

We don't get millions in donations. Our fan base is too small and doesn't give. We're not PSU and LSU.

It makes zero financial sense to fire him. We won't get a payout.

And we will fire him and explode the deficit to take a flyer on a coach to at best go 7-5 and back to the pinstripe bowl in a few years. We're not winning the big ten with our NIL.

So we should continue paying him $6M annually to play games in an empty stadium and get blown out by top 25 teams?
He is 0-45 against AP top 25 teams.

 

[Knight Shift]

So we should continue paying him $6M annually to play games in an empty stadium and get blown out by top 25 teams?
He is 0-45 against AP top 25 teams.

UMass is a top 25 team?

 

[Fat Koko]

Typical disingenuous argument from the NJ.com losers. Estimate 15,000 fewer seats sold per season at a cost of $700 per seat, which may be conservative factoring in parking, concessions, etc, and Rutgers is losing $8-10M in ticket revenue per year, and a lot in donations. But those simpletons never did a P and L statement or know how to use a spreadsheet.

If Rutgers football did $10 million lower ticket sales revenue, then Rutgers football would do zero or even negative ticket sales revenue.

Rutgers football ticket sales revenue was $9,242,445 in the most recent available data.

 

[Knight Shift]

If Rutgers football did $10 million lower ticket sales revenue, then Rutgers football would do zero or even negative ticket sales revenue.

Rutgers football ticket sales revenue was $9,242,445 in the most recent available data.

Shhh, I'm trying to counter the idiotic narrative with an idiotic narrative.

 

[Knight Shift]

If Rutgers football did $10 million lower ticket sales revenue, then Rutgers football would do zero or even negative ticket sales revenue.

Rutgers football ticket sales revenue was $9,242,445 in the most recent available data.

Does that include parking and concessions?

 

[Fat Koko]

Does that include parking and concessions?

Nope. That's $2 million per year.

 

[RUDivision]

We don't get millions in donations. Our fan base is too small and doesn't give. We're not PSU and LSU.

It makes zero financial sense to fire him. We won't get a payout.

And we will fire him and explode the deficit to take a flyer on a coach to at best go 7-5 and back to the pinstripe bowl in a few years. We're not winning the big ten with our NIL.

Al

Greggy’s ineptitude put us in the deficit! Winning cures alll! New Coach coming just accept it!

 

[RUfan1977]

Other than MBB, there is no bang there. Cap guns at best.

MBB would definitely need to be the primary focus, but it shouldn’t cost that much to make other sports excel which would be important for Rutgers overall image and I am not arguing that long term success of the football program isn’t critical.

 

[Caliknight]

Makes sense though. Not only is there a financial crunch at RU but most good coaches are active now. Maybe better to let a bad situation scale down over coming weeks than to fire GS and make a bigger mess that scales up with drama. Getting flayed by Indiana wasn't unexpected or as bad as other B1G thrashings in the past. If RU won all prior games the team still would not have been competitive. A lot of respected observers are anticipating dire economies around the world with shortages and bubble economies on the drop so throwing wasted millions around might be irrational at this time.

Keeping him is drama. Cutting him now ends the drama and allows Keli and team to start focusing on what will then be the now. Horse trading with coaches never ends. This job opens, people will want it.

 

[Caliknight]

While this is somewhat logical, the problem is the damage that will be done to the program with essentially a lame duck coach. The AD is trying to get and maintain investors in NIL, if they think the program is going to lose and not be very competitive, it will be very difficult to get investments which will limit the competitiveness of the program. The other issue is football is the revenue producer… period. If football is really bad it will be an increasing strain and negative impact on many other sports. Just less $$$ to support all the other sports. I think any AD will say that the football program needs to be good to have a healthy athletic department.

Yes and no. Football produces revenue in that they play football games and that allows us to partake in Big Ten revenue share. As it’s constituted, football also loses the most money and it’s by a factor of 100x. Football isn’t supporting any sports in and of itself. In fact, it’s the single biggest drain on the dept. No one expects football to turn a profit like OSU or a few other schools, but the current trajectory is not sustainable. Good news is Keli has been doing some great work behind the scenes. That will show in the next financial statements, especially after next year. Bad news is the Schiano stench has really put her in a bad position. Much of the great work she’s been doing is going to need to go to his buy out should she can him now. Not doing so may make the financial picture even less desirable. Schiano has put her and the school in a bad position, but the most rational move is to can him now and sell promise of the future. Millions are at stake in brand deals alone.

 

[Knight Shift]

Nope. That's $2 million per year.

I know you have posted that before, do you have a number on actual ticket sales?
Because, while Rutgers bills games as sold out (last night they said 45-46,000 I think), many of those tickets are gifted or deeply discounted, and many season ticket holders sell their tickets for game. My point is that taking last night as an example, IIRC, Rutger has sold up to 54,000 for games (capacity if 52,454), that's nominally 10,000 more tickets per game at $50/ticket--That's $500,000 in ticket revenue, and factor in concessions of $15/person -that's another $150,000 plus parking (3,000 parking passes at $50 each is another $150,000). That totals $800,000/game, and for 6 games that comes to around $4.8M in total revenue for 10,000 additional seats. In my off the cuff math, I estimated we could sell 15,000 more seats per game if we were to be a consistent 8-4/9-3 team like Iowa. Keeping Greg will mean more empty seats, and that estimate of -15,000 tickets/concessions/parking could easily go to 20,000/game when the place becomes a graveyard if al got his wish.

 

[RUfan1977]

While this is somewhat logical, the problem is the damage that will be done to the program with essentially a lame duck coach. The AD is trying to get and maintain investors in NIL, if they think the program is going to lose and not be very competitive, it will be very difficult to get investments which will limit the competitiveness of the program. The other issue is football is the revenue producer… period. If football is really bad it will be an increasing strain and negative impact on many other sports. Just less $$$ to support all the other sports. I think any AD will say that the football program needs to be good to have a healthy athletic department.

No doubt that football is a cash cow and Keli Zinn couldn’t admit she was throwing GS under the bus publicly. However, for the new coach to be considered successful, a reset of expectations would be helpful. For this strategy to work GS will need to win a couple of games this year in the Big Ten so things arent completely hopeless. Then as GS flounders next year she can work with donors to get a good new coach and funds for him to be successful. With obvious improvement over GS NIL opportunities should open up. If she fires GS this year and the new coach doesn’t get us immediately bowl eligible fans will turn on the new coach as quickly as they turned on Surrace when he wasn’t an obvious improvement over Lonergan. The only real difference might be between the new coach and GS is Rutgers is out 28 million to GS and his coaches.

 

[Knight Shift]

No doubt that football is a cash cow and Keli Zinn couldn’t admit she was throwing GS under the bus publicly. However, for the new coach to be considered successful, a reset of expectations would be helpful. For this strategy to work GS will need to win a couple of games this year in the Big Ten so things arent completely hopeless. Then as GS flounders next year she can work with donors to get a good new coach and funds for him to be successful. With obvious improvement over GS NIL opportunities should open up. If she fires GS this year and the new coach doesn’t get us immediately bowl eligible fans will turn on the new coach as quickly as they turned on Surrace when he wasn’t an obvious improvement over Lonergan. The only real difference might be between the new coach and GS is Rutgers is out 28 million to GS and his coaches.

Respectfully, this is a terrible strategy to keep Greg another year. Rutgers will literally be bleeding money next year.

Disagree that fans will turn on a new HC in his first year if he does not get the team bowl eligible. Surace/Lonergan and the head coach debacle are apples and oranges.

 

[Bueller]

Keeping him is drama. Cutting him now ends the drama and allows Keli and team to start focusing on what will then be the now. Horse trading with coaches never ends. This job opens, people will want it.

Recall all those "Rutgers 1000" types that hated football? Those types are still out there waiting to stage a zombie attack and local NY/NJ media usually back them. "Rutgers is wasting millions of dollars and don't know what they are doing! .. Rutgers Adrift - Reaches for Straws!" That can go on for a few months. Any new coach prospect might think "Dang do I really want to go there?" Will 2 months of Kirk temping make things better? Who fills in if Kirk doesn't want job? Shaw, Brock, Vallone? What if they do good and people want to keep them. Many things can go off the rails when you pull the rug. Do research and be ready to strike as the chapter closes and it all feels like a new chapter. End the old later for the new. Don't pull the rug and watch the pots and pans come clanging down in a racket with the kids crying and media police making wellness checks.

 

[Fat Koko]

I know you have posted that before, do you have a number on actual ticket sales?
Because, while Rutgers bills games as sold out (last night they said 45-46,000 I think), many of those tickets are gifted or deeply discounted, and many season ticket holders sell their tickets for game. My point is that taking last night as an example, IIRC, Rutger has sold up to 54,000 for games (capacity if 52,454), that's nominally 10,000 more tickets per game at $50/ticket--That's $500,000 in ticket revenue, and factor in concessions of $15/person -that's another $150,000 plus parking (3,000 parking passes at $50 each is another $150,000). That totals $800,000/game, and for 6 games that comes to around $4.8M in total revenue for 10,000 additional seats. In my off the cuff math, I estimated we could sell 15,000 more seats per game if we were to be a consistent 8-4/9-3 team like Iowa. Keeping Greg will mean more empty seats, and that estimate of -15,000 tickets/concessions/parking could easily go to 20,000/game when the place becomes a graveyard if al got his wish.

Big Ten median on ticket sales is around $20 million. Just getting ticket sales to a normal B1G level would be more than enough to replace the football coaching regime.

 

[Knight Shift]

View attachment 1469643

2026: 24,263 season tickets

for 2024, 22,926 tickets were sold, and dividing that number by $9,242,445, that amounts to about $403/season ticket. I know your numbers are for total tickets sold, but that number comes fairly close to the cost of lower level season ticket prices, including donations. There is a 30,000 seat opportunity cost (at $403/seat) or $12,090,000 per season if we were to hire the next Cignetti and make Rutgers a perennial winner. Even at half that number at 15,000 more seats sold, that's $6M/year .

 

[Fat Koko]

View attachment 1469651

2026: 24,263 season tickets

for 2024, 22,926 tickets were sold, and dividing that number by $9,242,445, that amounts to about $403/season ticket. I know your numbers are for total tickets sold, but that number comes fairly close to the cost of lower level season ticket prices, including donations. There is a 30,000 seat opportunity cost (at $403/seat) or $12,090,000 per season if we were to hire the next Cignetti and make Rutgers a perennial winner. Even at half that number at 15,000 more seats sold, that's $6M/year .

Here is football ticket sales for the 16 public Big Ten schools.

The numbers are from the 2025 fiscal year, the most recent reported, which covers the 2024 football season.

 

[-RUFAN4LIFE-]

We don't get millions in donations. Our fan base is too small and doesn't give. We're not PSU and LSU.

Then explain how Zinn has received two large commitments in the form of donations and NIL from different parties since the season started.

It makes zero financial sense to fire him. We won't get a payout.

And we will fire him and explode the deficit to take a flyer on a coach to at best go 7-5 and back to the pinstripe bowl in a few years. We're not winning the big ten with our NIL.

Wrong, where's your tickets sales, NIL, sponsorships coming from if you retain Greg? People are not donating or sponsoring a broken coach.

PS - Greg costs $6m over the next 3 years, Kirk's contract expires in Feb., and Johansen will be due roughly $1.5m over the next two years. That's $21m ($7.5/7.5/6), now the rest of the assistants, analysts and support staff make way less.

A number of them will have expiring contracts like Kirk and there is no hit. Some will be retained which will not result in any financial impact. Everyone else will be let go and many will find other work fairly quick so the amounts due them will be offset in some capacity.

You didn't go to business school, stop talking about things you know nothing about, because you clearly missed the boat on finance, marketing and general business management.

 

[Knight Shift]

Then explain how Zinn has received two large commitments in the form of donations and NIL from different parties since the season started.

Wrong, where's your tickets sales, NIL, sponsorships coming from if you retain Greg? People are not donating or sponsoring a broken coach.

PS - Greg costs $6m over the next 3 years, Kirk's contract expires in Feb., and Johansen will be due roughly $1.5m over the next two years. That's $21m ($7.5/7.5/6), now the rest of the assistants, analysts and support staff make way less.

A number of them will have expiring contracts like Kirk and there is no hit. Some will be retained which will not result in any financial impact. Everyone else will be let go and many will find other work fairly quick so the amounts due them will be offset in some capacity.

You didn't go to business school, stop talking about things you know nothing about, because you clearly missed the boat on finance, marketing and general business management.

And common sense and making decisions on reason, not emotion.