And just walked away. No medical help in sight

[THE_DEVIL]

 

[Gibbs6]

Pretty pathetic if that’s truly the case and legal action should take place.
However I will say I don’t believe much of what I see on the internet anymore.

 

[firegiver]

Pretty pathetic if that’s truly the case and legal action should take place.
However I will say I don’t believe much of what I see on the internet anymore.

lol

 

[baltimorened]

I know this won't fit the agenda, but it wasn't too long ago that a big complaint about ICE was that we had these unidentified thugs with no identification arresting undocumented migrants.

Now we have some guy driving past, not at all involved in the incident, and he has no problem identifying immigration agents. How was he so sure.

 

[dpic73]

I know this won't fit the agenda, but it wasn't too long ago that a big complaint about ICE was that we had these unidentified thugs with no identification arresting undocumented migrants.

Now we have some guy driving past, not at all involved in the incident, and he has no problem identifying immigration agents. How was he so sure.

"Local police reports and other witnesses similarly identified them as federal/ICE agents based on self-identification and the marked vests. DHS later confirmed it was an ICE targeted enforcement operation involving officers who mistook the man for a fugitive."

US Citizen Detained by Immigration Agents

Ryan Garton recognized them as immigration/federal enforcement agents primarily from their appearance and the circumstances of the encounter. Available reporting (primarily the AP account of his statements) does not include a detailed first-person explanation from Garton of the exact visual cues...

x.com

 

[baltimorened]

"Local police reports and other witnesses similarly identified them as federal/ICE agents based on self-identification and the marked vests. DHS later confirmed it was an ICE targeted enforcement operation involving officers who mistook the man for a fugitive."

US Citizen Detained by Immigration Agents

Ryan Garton recognized them as immigration/federal enforcement agents primarily from their appearance and the circumstances of the encounter. Available reporting (primarily the AP account of his statements) does not include a detailed first-person explanation from Garton of the exact visual cues...

x.com

yea I know, it's pretty easy to identify these folks as ICE agents, which is why it was kind of dumb for people to say that these unidentified people arresting people...

 

[TheValley91]

yea I know, it's pretty easy to identify these folks as ICE agents, which is why it was kind of dumb for people to say that these unidentified people arresting people...

Unidentified in the sense that there are no badge numbers or names to these people. So you or I could dress up as ICE and kidnap people. Or if ICE does harass people, there are no repercussions because there is no identity.

Just take a moment to think next time.

 

[baltimorened]

Unidentified in the sense that there are no badge numbers or names to these people. So you or I could dress up as ICE and kidnap people. Or if ICE does harass people, there are no repercussions because there is no identity.

Just take a moment to think next time.

well, wouldn't that have been true in this instance....did a person driving by see the badge numbers of these agents??

 

[THE_DEVIL]

well, wouldn't that have been true in this instance....did a person driving by see the badge numbers of these agents??

So is law enforcement leaving ANY injured person on the street without calling medical staff ok with you? Considering law enforcement was the reason the injury happened?

 

[MTTiger19]

If you think they’re doing something wrong, you should report them.

 

[MTTiger19]

Unidentified in the sense that there are no badge numbers or names to these people. So you or I could dress up as ICE and kidnap people. Or if ICE does harass people, there are no repercussions because there is no identity.

Just take a moment to think next time.

You just making stuff up again snowflake.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

If you think they’re doing something wrong, you should report them.

Do you agree it was wrong for law enforcement to not make medical attention available

 

[baltimorened]

So is law enforcement leaving ANY injured person on the street without calling medical staff ok with you? Considering law enforcement was the reason the injury happened?

great response you just totally changed the focus of the last few posts. We were talking about identification, not medical staff.....

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I know this won't fit the agenda, but it wasn't too long ago that a big complaint about ICE was that we had these unidentified thugs with no identification arresting undocumented migrants.

Now we have some guy driving past, not at all involved in the incident, and he has no problem identifying immigration agents. How was he so sure.

Absolutely. Might have been some other branch of the American SS. Therefore we shouldn't be concerned about it.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Move along. This is not the brown person you are looking for.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

great response you just totally changed the focus of the last few posts. We were talking about identification, not medical staff.....

Well, I did put it in the title of the thread.

 

[TigerGrowls]

POTENTIAL FAKE NEWS ALERT!!!

 

[Ktrain1969]

Just glad I look like a maga moron. It just might come in handy.

 

[MTTiger19]

Do you agree it was wrong for law enforcement to not make medical attention available

What do you want? It’s a 40 second clip with zero context. Doesn’t explain why or how they got to that point. Doesn’t explain or show what happened after that point and you’re all crying like 2 year olds. Do you have some additional information to provide some context here. How do you know medical attention wasn’t provided outside of this 40 second clip? It appears the agents thought he was someone else, confirmed his identity was not that person, and was released. I’m sure there’s 2000 liberal lawyers that would love to sue the Trump admin and ICE into oblivion, so go file a report if you’re so upset. It’s not ICEs fault there’s millions of illegals here, but it is their job to remove them. So if you don’t like it, report them.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

What do you want? It’s a 40 second clip with zero context. Doesn’t explain why or how they got to that point. Doesn’t explain or show what happened after that point and you’re all crying like 2 year olds. Do you have some additional information to provide some context here. How do you know medical attention wasn’t provided outside of this 40 second clip? It appears the agents thought he was someone else, confirmed his identity was not that person, and was released. I’m sure there’s 2000 liberal lawyers that would love to sue the Trump admin and ICE into oblivion, so go file a report if you’re so upset. It’s not ICEs fault there’s millions of illegals here, but it is their job to remove them. So if you don’t like it, report them.

That is an awful lot of words to avoid answering the question. Let's try it this way.

Generally speaking do you agree or disagree that when law enforcement comes upon an injured person they should make medical assistance available in some form

 

[MTTiger19]

From USnews.com for context on this incident:

A federal agent told responding Evanston officers that five agents in separate vehicles were looking for a fugitive with a Chicago address and an arrest warrant. They mistook this man for the target. When he refused to provide ID, they tried to handcuff him. After determining he was a U.S. citizen and not the person sought, they released him. The agent had blood on his hands, which he attributed to an injury sustained while trying to detain the man; he declined treatment. Agents said they left quickly because they feared protesters gathering at the scene.

 

[MTTiger19]

That is an awful lot of words to avoid answering the question. Let's try it this way.

Generally speaking do you agree or disagree that when law enforcement comes upon an injured person they should make medical assistance available in some form

Yes. Generally speaking. See my post for context on this specific case as that’s what the thread is about correct? If you have some other examples please share.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

From USnews.com for context on this incident:

A federal agent told responding Evanston officers that five agents in separate vehicles were looking for a fugitive with a Chicago address and an arrest warrant. They mistook this man for the target. When he refused to provide ID, they tried to handcuff him. After determining he was a U.S. citizen and not the person sought, they released him. The agent had blood on his hands, which he attributed to an injury sustained while trying to detain the man; he declined treatment. Agents said they left quickly because they feared protesters gathering at the scene.

You’re ruining their wrist flopping party

 

[MTTiger19]

That is an awful lot of words to avoid answering the question. Let's try it this way.

Generally speaking do you agree or disagree that when law enforcement comes upon an injured person they should make medical assistance available in some form

Maybe don’t attack and harass ICE officers and they’ll hang around and deliver medical aid. I don’t think they should or must do that if they’re endangered or surrounded.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Maybe don’t attack and harass ICE officers and they’ll hang around and deliver medical aid. I don’t think they should or must do that if they’re endangered or surrounded.

Generally speaking,

Even if the subject is in the wrong and law enforcement is correct in using extreme measures, once he is not a threat he can bleed out or end up in a coma from brain swelling?

 

[Gibbs6]

lol

Weird that you would think this isn’t pathetic. I’ll never quite figure out the people on the left.

 

[firegiver]

Weird that you would think this isn’t pathetic. I’ll never quite figure out the people on the left.

you made me laugh with your take that you don't believe what you see on the internet.

 

[firegiver]

From USnews.com for context on this incident:

A federal agent told responding Evanston officers that five agents in separate vehicles were looking for a fugitive with a Chicago address and an arrest warrant. They mistook this man for the target. When he refused to provide ID, they tried to handcuff him. After determining he was a U.S. citizen and not the person sought, they released him. The agent had blood on his hands, which he attributed to an injury sustained while trying to detain the man; he declined treatment. Agents said they left quickly because they feared protesters gathering at the scene.

They should be afraid. They are assaulting people in public without probable cause. I've seen families in min vans pulled over for felony stops, guns drawn on children, because cops misread license plates. People will continue to die to police mishaps thanks to the over policing and surveillance state that MAGA is ushering in. Maga won't care, until it actually happens to them. Then they will say: I can't believe the leopard ate my face. See MAGA unlike conservatives, doesn't care about individual freedoms, liberty or privacy from their government, they care about blaming people for their problems and watching them suffer.

 

[MTTiger19]

They should be afraid. They are assaulting people in public without probable cause.

Then. Report. Them. If you’re right they’ll be held accountable.

 

[Gibbs6]

you made me laugh with your take that you don't believe what you see on the internet.

I don’t think it’s that funny. I’d say about 75% of the stuff on on3 off topic boards is made up ai crap or misinformation

 

[MTTiger19]

Generally speaking,

Even if the subject is in the wrong and law enforcement is correct in using extreme measures, once he is not a threat he can bleed out or end up in a coma from brain swelling?

Has that happened? Generally speaking.

Let’s try this, generally speaking, should you show your ID to law enforcement when they ask or act like an entitled baby and tell them no? Generally speaking of course….

Generally speaking, should our immigration laws be enforced or is it just theatre?

 

[firegiver]

Then. Report. Them. If you’re right they’ll be held accountable.

I assume you just don't pay attention much. Did they hold Alex Pretti's murderer accountable? No.

How about the women being systematically raped in the detention centers? No. And this has being going on LOOONG before Trump, its not a Maga issue, but again, they don't care at all.

I can hear Maga now though: They shouldn't have been protesting blah blha blah. People protesting their government is protected speech. Existing on a public side walk is not loitering or a crime, you can't manufacture a crime for people existing and speaking. Criticism, whether valid or not, is protected. Just look at those Westboro baptist church psychos.

 

[MTTiger19]

They should be afraid. They are assaulting people in public without probable cause. I've seen families in min vans pulled over for felony stops, guns drawn on children, because cops misread license plates. People will continue to die to police mishaps thanks to the over policing and surveillance state that MAGA is ushering in. Maga won't care, until it actually happens to them. Then they will say: I can't believe the leopard ate my face. See MAGA unlike conservatives, doesn't care about individual freedoms, liberty or privacy from their government, they care about blaming people for their problems and watching them suffer.

What would you tell the thousands of American victims that have been murdered, raped, disabled , etc… by illegals. They don’t matter? Are we supposed to just let people run all over the country with zero accountability.

 

[firegiver]

What would you tell the thousands of American victims that have been murdered, raped, disabled , etc… by illegals. They don’t matter? Are we supposed to just let people run all over the country with zero accountability.

Are you saying those victims matter more than the victims of those same crimes from legal residents? Does pouring all this money into over policing brown people help the victims of white crime? Does the civil liberties of brown people matter less than yours?

 

[MTTiger19]

I assume you just don't pay attention much. Did they hold Alex Pretti's murderer accountable? No.

How about the women being systematically raped in the detention centers? No. And this has being going on LOOONG before Trump, its not a Maga issue, but again, they don't care at all.

I can hear Maga now though: They shouldn't have been protesting blah blha blah. People protesting their government is protected speech. Existing on a public side walk is not loitering or a crime, you can't manufacture a crime for people existing and speaking. Criticism, whether valid or not, is protected. Just look at those Westboro baptist church psychos.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Has that happened? Generally speaking.

Let’s try this, generally speaking, should you show your ID to law enforcement when they ask or act like an entitled baby and tell them no? Generally speaking of course….

Generally speaking, should our immigration laws be enforced or is it just theatre?

Yes. Immigration laws should be enforced legally. I have never said different.

Please answer my question. If you do not want to that is fine. We are starting to run in circles and its becoming a waste of time.

 

[firegiver]

strawman

 

[MTTiger19]

Are you saying those victims matter more than the victims of those same crimes from legal residents? Does pouring all this money into over policing brown people help the victims of white crime? Does the civil liberties of brown people matter less than yours?

Are you saying they matter less? Can you please cite the budget request and approval for “policing brown people”?

 

[MTTiger19]

strawman

 

[MTTiger19]

strawman

How many you want?