Michigan Fans Have Been Complaining About Officiating Errors in Iowa Game

[Ripcord]

it would appear that the skillet is calling the kettle black (I mean, who has less room to talk re: losing games due to officials' errors when they are the beneficiary of one of the most ignominious gaffes in recent years?)

First, I have seen on Facebook (which is a bit more credible than the National Inquirer, but I am not sure how much more credible) that one of our lineman flinched before the famous final play, which would have at least pushed it back five more yards or even ended the game there. I have seen no posts to that efect in either the Iowa or Michigan forums, though.

Secondly, Also a Michigan forum post said that the infamous personal foul on Diaz that kept the last drive alive was "90% acting on Diaz's part" and probably should not have been called.

Is there any truth to either of these allegations?

 

[eyesofhawk]

W

 

[Rifler]

 

[squeezebox_1]

Just in the last drive, Ostrenga was absolutely held down the middle with 18 second left, there is certainly no flinch on the last play. Not sure how you call that shove a flop, he was hit on the side hopping on one leg...LOL

 

[Hawk_4shur]

Wow. A fan base complaining about officials after a loss. Has that ever happened before?



The PF call was on the softer side. But the rule doesn't say you get a foul if you hit a guy hard - only if you hit him late. It was late.

But I wouldn't have been too surprised if they didn't call it.

 

[Rifler]

It was a football game, there were bad calls, Michigan lost, Iowa won....

 

[WeBeHerkin]

I didn't really hear any of their fans complaining there after the game. I did hear more than once this was karma for Western Mich game

 

[HawkeyePride24]

TBH living here and interacting with the fanbase everyday I'm not hearing any complaining of the officiating, really more of Iowa didn't win, but that Michigan gave the game away. Regardless, they are still 2-2

 

[HAWKNESS]

I've seen complaints on personal foul too. It was right in front of multiple officials who were in sync with how late it would of been. If you don't call that then you're going to allow for a lot of extra shoves and dirtiness after plays ended. Michigan's secondary was jawing at Diaz all game its likely they had already been warned. Those types of unneeded personal fouls have been constant in the early year for Michigan.

 

[Hawksrock]

Poor babies, hope they get over before their next game!! lol

 

[HawkAlum2002]

I've seen complaints on personal foul too. It was right in front of multiple officials who were in sync with how late it would of been. If you don't call that then you're going to allow for a lot of extra shoves and dirtiness after game. Michigan's secondary was jawing at Diaz all game its likely they had already been warned. Those types of unneeded personal fouls have been constant in the early year for Michigan.

Watching the replay last night, Diaz was actually fully out of bounds also when he was hit and not even by the guy closest to him, so it was exceptionally after the play. It was still a soft shove, but hard to "flop" when you don't even see it coming until it's over.

 

[r_desihawk]

yes overall the turn of events in the last drive favored iowa but it wasn't as one sided as some portray. late hit penalty was deserved, the possible INT drop was by no means easy. there was a definite missed holding/PI on ostrenga that hurt us. the self tip catch by ostrenga and last catch by rvz were earned. the injury timeout was fortunate for us but the missed throw to Diaz was equally fortunate for them. that's my analysis of the last drive anyway

 

[Ellobo]

it would appear that the skillet is calling the kettle black (I mean, who has less room to talk re: losing games due to officials' errors when they are the beneficiary of one of the most ignominious gaffes in recent years?)

First, I have seen on Facebook (which is a bit more credible than the National Inquirer, but I am not sure how much more credible) that one of our lineman flinched before the famous final play, which would have at least pushed it back five more yards or even ended the game there. I have seen no posts to that efect in either the Iowa or Michigan forums, though.

Secondly, Also a Michigan forum post said that the infamous personal foul on Diaz that kept the last drive alive was "90% acting on Diaz's part" and probably should not have been called.

Is there any truth to either of these allegations?

Yeah....stop reading Facebook

Our forum (The Fort) is a better representation though we still have our share of knuckleheads like any board

As far as the calls you mention:

1) The call on Berry (hitting Diaz) we know was a penalty. The issue some have is in a game like that, at a time like that you often see it ignored. But again we know it was technically a penalty and it was a bonehead play by Berry...again, we blame our player...not the refs

2) I have not seen a mention of the "flinch" thing...that is new to me and I read my own board a lot

If there is one thing it was the tipped pass... it's not that we think it was wrong necessarily but rather trying to understand the rule as your guy tipped it, not ours

 

[Trakker]

No mention of the Michigan Qb being stood up a yard short of the first down line at a crucial point late jn the game and the refs giving them a first down? Even the announcers were shocked at the spot/call

 

[doughuddl2_rivals]

it would appear that the skillet is calling the kettle black (I mean, who has less room to talk re: losing games due to officials' errors when they are the beneficiary of one of the most ignominious gaffes in recent years?)

First, I have seen on Facebook (which is a bit more credible than the National Inquirer, but I am not sure how much more credible) that one of our lineman flinched before the famous final play, which would have at least pushed it back five more yards or even ended the game there. I have seen no posts to that efect in either the Iowa or Michigan forums, though.

Secondly, Also a Michigan forum post said that the infamous personal foul on Diaz that kept the last drive alive was "90% acting on Diaz's part" and probably should not have been called.

Is there any truth to either of these allegations?

Lol Berry got torn up on X by mecheatagain fans on game day for the penalty. Even by Dave P. They want him gone or hit the portal or to sit out.

 

[HawkeyeVodka]

Anytime a Michigan fan cries about officiating, just remind them of ol’ Dave Witvoet. That homer helped them win countless games over the years.

 

[Burghawk87]

Yeah....stop reading Facebook

Our forum (The Fort) is a better representation though we still have our share of knuckleheads like any board

As far as the calls you mention:

1) The call on Berry (hitting Diaz) we know was a penalty. The issue some have is in a game like that, at a time like that you often see it ignored. But again we know it was technically a penalty and it was a bonehead play by Berry...again, we blame our player...not the refs

2) I have not seen a mention of the "flinch" thing...that is new to me and I read my own board a lot

If there is one thing it was the tipped pass... it's not that we think it was wrong necessarily but rather trying to understand the rule as your guy tipped it, not ours

I couldn't hear the review conversation due to noise levels in our house but Vonnahme was forced out of bounds by the defensive back (could be argued his route was taking him there anyway but that's not the rule) so as long as he established himself back in bounds it was a legal catch.

 

[Hawk-A-Doodle-Doo]

F--- Wisconsin??

 

[Grayhair1981]

Yeah....stop reading Facebook

Our forum (The Fort) is a better representation though we still have our share of knuckleheads like any board

As far as the calls you mention:

1) The call on Berry (hitting Diaz) we know was a penalty. The issue some have is in a game like that, at a time like that you often see it ignored. But again we know it was technically a penalty and it was a bonehead play by Berry...again, we blame our player...not the refs

2) I have not seen a mention of the "flinch" thing...that is new to me and I read my own board a lot

If there is one thing it was the tipped pass... it's not that we think it was wrong necessarily but rather trying to understand the rule as your guy tipped it, not ours

Doesn't matter who touched it first as long as the guy who went OOB isn't the first person to touch it.

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

If there is one thing it was the tipped pass... it's not that we think it was wrong necessarily but rather trying to understand the rule as your guy tipped it, not ours

From my limited research and understanding.......

-once a forward pass is tipped (regardless of who tipped it), it becomes a free ball for anyone to catch

-Vonnahme re-established himself inbounds after being forced out, and therefore was legal again to catch the tipped/free ball

 

[WeBeHerkin]

From my limited research and understanding.......

-once a forward pass is tipped (regardless of who tipped it), it becomes a free ball for anyone to catch

-Vonnahme re-established himself inbounds after being forced out, and therefore was legal again to catch the tipped/free ball

And I believe it was clear DJV was pushed out by the Mich defender and yes you have to watch the full play to see it all happen.

 

[Ripcord]

From my limited research and understanding.......

-once a forward pass is tipped (regardless of who tipped it), it becomes a free ball for anyone to catch

-Vonnahme re-established himself inbounds after being forced out, and therefore was legal again to catch the tipped/free ball

that is my understanding also. always has been. Hell, the offensive lineman could score a touchdown in that situation, theoretically.

 

[Hawkangler]

it would appear that the skillet is calling the kettle black (I mean, who has less room to talk re: losing games due to officials' errors when they are the beneficiary of one of the most ignominious gaffes in recent years?)

First, I have seen on Facebook (which is a bit more credible than the National Inquirer, but I am not sure how much more credible) that one of our lineman flinched before the famous final play, which would have at least pushed it back five more yards or even ended the game there. I have seen no posts to that efect in either the Iowa or Michigan forums, though.

Secondly, Also a Michigan forum post said that the infamous personal foul on Diaz that kept the last drive alive was "90% acting on Diaz's part" and probably should not have been called.

Is there any truth to either of these allegations?

Who cares, they lost. We won!

 

[Ellobo]

From my limited research and understanding.......

-once a forward pass is tipped (regardless of who tipped it), it becomes a free ball for anyone to catch

-Vonnahme re-established himself inbounds after being forced out, and therefore was legal again to catch the tipped/free ball

That might be the case...I was just explaining what Umich fans are asking...we aren't (for the most part) saying the call was wrong...just that we've never seen something like that before and thus a weird situation

 

[FlaIaWis]

People see what they want to believe they saw.
Listen to the USC radio announcers call of the hit on Donte Moore. It is beyond idiotic. They initially said they saw him dive forward. Then changed it to a knee slide, not really giving himself up. Then they wanted to see the replay. Which as we all know, was horrible.

 

[Jonesy5960]

It's the same shat every fanbase does after a close loss.

 

[MAXIMUSHAWKEYE]

it would appear that the skillet is calling the kettle black (I mean, who has less room to talk re: losing games due to officials' errors when they are the beneficiary of one of the most ignominious gaffes in recent years?)

First, I have seen on Facebook (which is a bit more credible than the National Inquirer, but I am not sure how much more credible) that one of our lineman flinched before the famous final play, which would have at least pushed it back five more yards or even ended the game there. I have seen no posts to that efect in either the Iowa or Michigan forums, though.

Secondly, Also a Michigan forum post said that the infamous personal foul on Diaz that kept the last drive alive was "90% acting on Diaz's part" and probably should not have been called.

Is there any truth to either of these allegations?

Their Michigan fans. They think they are entitled to winning by just showing up. I am just surprised that the zebras didn't screw us like WMU. I thought for sure they would find a way to take away that last TD catch.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

If any college football program has gotten the short end of the stick regarding officiating over the years it's Michigan, especially in home games.

(Sorry, there's no punctuation or font for sarcasm, so I'll leave this note here just in case anyone was in doubt)

 

[SeenItAllBefore]

Michigan is in the running for the National Whine Playoffs. I expect Nebraska to join them in a few weeks.

 

[uihawk82]

it would appear that the skillet is calling the kettle black (I mean, who has less room to talk re: losing games due to officials' errors when they are the beneficiary of one of the most ignominious gaffes in recent years?)

First, I have seen on Facebook (which is a bit more credible than the National Inquirer, but I am not sure how much more credible) that one of our lineman flinched before the famous final play, which would have at least pushed it back five more yards or even ended the game there. I have seen no posts to that efect in either the Iowa or Michigan forums, though.

Secondly, Also a Michigan forum post said that the infamous personal foul on Diaz that kept the last drive alive was "90% acting on Diaz's part" and probably should not have been called.

Is there any truth to either of these allegations?

I dont know about the flinch but that is ******** saying their Dback didnt rough up Diaz. He shoved Diaz hard enough for him to fly over and land on the other two players.

Besides, I watched the replay and watched a lot of the line play and their offensive line players were great at holding by grabbing our rushers just inside and under the shoulder pads. Holding Holding Holding. And the more the other Big 10 coaches see it the more they will report it to the league office. It happens that the cheating catches up with the teams and the refs are told to look for it. Saw it happen when Mich played at jNW and the announcers said after a jNW defensive lineman got caught holding a Mich Offensive lineman to mess up their blocking that the refs had been notified to look for that

 

[HMB Trumpet]

From my limited research and understanding.......

-once a forward pass is tipped (regardless of who tipped it), it becomes a free ball for anyone to catch

-Vonnahme re-established himself inbounds after being forced out, and therefore was legal again to catch the tipped/free ball

Yes, being forced out was key--or at least is on a normal pass, because otherwise he would have been ineligible to catch it. On a tipped ball, though, does that even matter? If an OL could legally catch a tipped ball, why not a guy who went out of bounds on his own?

 

[uihawk82]

It was a football game, there were bad calls, Michigan lost, Iowa won....

Bad calls a I am sure there were Missed calls like the late hold on Ostrenga

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

Yes, being forced out was key--or at least is on a normal pass, because otherwise he would have been ineligible to catch it. On a tipped ball, though, does that even matter? If an OL could legally catch a tipped ball, why not a guy who went out of bounds on his own?

To my understanding, he would have been ineligible at that point because he went out on his own, and even a tipped ball does not reset eligibility of players who go out of bounds on their own.

I think that’s the bigger point here, than the fact that it was an Iowa player that tipped the ball.

 

[WeBeHerkin]

It's the same shat every fanbase does after a close loss.

Hey now it was not a fair catch!

 

[Jonesy5960]

Hey now it was not a fair catch!

 

[rchawk]

TBH living here and interacting with the fanbase everyday I'm not hearing any complaining of the officiating, really more of Iowa didn't win, but that Michigan gave the game away. Regardless, they are still 2-2

Same here in the mitten state. Watched the game with my cousin, a big UM fan. He didn't think the officials were much of a problem, just that a "stocked Michigan team" found a way to lose.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

Yes, being forced out was key--or at least is on a normal pass, because otherwise he would have been ineligible to catch it. On a tipped ball, though, does that even matter? If an OL could legally catch a tipped ball, why not a guy who went out of bounds on his own?

To my understanding, he would have been ineligible at that point because he went out on his own, and even a tipped ball does not reset eligibility of players who go out of bounds on their own.

I think that’s the bigger point here, than the fact that it was an Iowa player that tipped the ball.

Yes. Since DJV was an eligible receiver, the offense tipping the ball was meaningless. Had an OL caught that ball off an offensive tip, it would not have counted. The officials declaring that DJV had "re-established" himself in bounds was the only part of the play in question.

 

[kmurpny]

it would appear that the skillet is calling the kettle black (I mean, who has less room to talk re: losing games due to officials' errors when they are the beneficiary of one of the most ignominious gaffes in recent years?)

First, I have seen on Facebook (which is a bit more credible than the National Inquirer, but I am not sure how much more credible) that one of our lineman flinched before the famous final play, which would have at least pushed it back five more yards or even ended the game there. I have seen no posts to that efect in either the Iowa or Michigan forums, though.

Secondly, Also a Michigan forum post said that the infamous personal foul on Diaz that kept the last drive alive was "90% acting on Diaz's part" and probably should not have been called.

Is there any truth to either of these allegations?

I saw a video where the Iowa LT seemed to clearly flinch.

 

[DuddyB]

I saw a video where the Iowa LT seemed to clearly flinch.

I must’ve watched that final play close to 100 times now and not once did I see anyone flinching. Went back in specifically looked at Lauck and still have no idea what you’re talking about.

 

[rchawk]

I must’ve watched that final play close to 100 times now and not once did I see anyone flinching. Went back in specifically looked at Lauck and still have no idea what you’re talking about.

Flinching? Yeah, Michigan should not have lost. Like they should not have lost against Western Michigan.

Save it Blue. Eight more games and more penalties to come.