It's called the 24 hour news cycle. Incidents like this have always happened in Charlotte and everywhere else. The difference is that the whole world knows about everyone's business now. The last time violent crime rates increased was during the Covid Years (20 and 21).First that girl was killed on the train a while back.
Now a lady runs a red light, hits a guy, flees the scene, leaving the guy to die. She was charged with "misdemeanor death by vehicle"....which is a thing???....and sentenced to 30 days in jail. 30 days?
Charlotte woman sentenced to 30 days in hit-and-run killing former Queens University student-athlete
Woman pleaded guilty to felony hit-and-run and misdemeanor death by vehiclewww.wbtv.com
OT: what's going on in Charlotte?
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But did they? Was it working? Was it working properly? Did they have a clear view? Those things work well most of the time but there are many instances where they weren't working properly.
If they had clear video that she ran a red light and struck someone on the side of the road, this would be a different story. I've read 4 stories about this just this morning. None mention video. Most of them mention the possibility that he stepped out in front of her. To me- that makes it pretty obvious they didn't have video of it to prove otherwise- for whatever reason.
That's very likely why there was a plea deal.
Yes- maybe. But it would cost the family money to file such a lawsuit- maybe thousands of dollars. It might be worth it- or might not be.
But yes- it's a possibility for sure.
Could have easily killed someone. Its almost like thats different than killing someone.
I dont think the people you are arguing with are the ones confused.
And that is why I won't be out getting my exercise on Charlotte streets. But leaving the scene after knowing you hit someone is what's hard to get past. She admits she knew she hit a human being.
CMPD Releases 2024 Public Safety Report: Overall Crime Down 3% in Charlotte
CMPD Makes Positive Strides in Juvenile Crime and Auto Thefts; Sees Success in Major OperationsCharlotte, N.C. – (Thursday, Jan. 16, 2025) – Today, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department (CMPD) released its 2024 end-of-year annual report highlighting a decrease in overall crime, and reductions in violent and property crime incidents as well as property crime victimization.
CMPD End of Year Report: Violent, Property and Overall Crime Decrease in 2025
Collaborative initiatives drive significant reductions in overall and violent crime in 2025.Charlotte, N.C. – (Thursday, January 15, 2026) – Today, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department (CMPD) released its annual public safety update, highlighting substantial reductions in violent crime, major operational achievements and new initiatives designed to strengthen community trust and enhance policing as the city moves into 2026.
Year-End 2023 Statistical Report
Violent Crime remains flat in 2023 fueled by successful operations; Applications and hiring upCharlotte, N.C. – (Thursday, Jan. 11, 2024) – Today, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department (CMPD) released its 2023 end-of-year annual report showing continued strides in combating violent crime and highlighting multiple successful operations targeted toward overall crime while increasing applications and hiring.
After two consecutive years of violent crime reductions in 2021 and 2022, violent crime stayed flat in 2023.
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In 2024, Charlotte reported 7,413 violent crimes, an increase from 7,215 in 2023. The city has seen fluctuations in violent crime rates, with significant reductions in recent years, including a 21% decrease in violent crime in 2025.
Source: Charlotte.gov
I agree- that's the hard part for me too. But if one person on the jury thinks "but the guy stepped out in front of her and she was just scared" - she walks with nothing at all.
I can also understand why someone would offer a plea if they don't have video evidence to counter that.
I don't get my exercise in any streets other than my own neighborhood and we've had close calls here too.
My wife and I actually enjoy uptown Charlotte a lot- up there all the time for plays and shows, etc. Never any issue in 20+ years. Have to be careful anywhere you go though.
This was probably a deal brokered by the prosecutor because there were probably facts in the case that would have resulted in an acquittal. Happens in courtrooms all over the country including South Carolina. I watched a defendant get sentenced 2 Years for Murder in York County early in my career and there were circumstances there that could have resulted in his acquittal.
I was quoting from the police department report.
Crime Statistics Report - Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department
CMPD Releases 2024 Public Safety Report: Overall Crime Down 3% in Charlotte
CMPD Makes Positive Strides in Juvenile Crime and Auto Thefts; Sees Success in Major OperationsCharlotte, N.C. – (Thursday, Jan. 16, 2025) – Today, the Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Department (CMPD) released its 2024 end-of-year annual report highlighting a decrease in overall crime, and reductions in violent and property crime incidents as well as property crime victimization.
Violent crime was up 3% in victimization but down 3% in the number of incidents in 2024
Property crime dropped 4% in 2024 largely due to a decrease in auto property crimes
Violent crimes involving a juvenile suspect decreased by 2% for the year. Assaults with a deadly weapon involving a juvenile suspect decreased by 21% while juvenile victims were down by 2%. CMPD also saw a 12% reduction in juvenile property crime suspects. In 2024, juvenile suspects involved in criminal incidents decreased by 9%.
more importantly, violent crime has continued to decline.
I think it's more about the prosecutors win/loss record and taking the easy way out instead of trying criminals with a jury of their peers. I do agree that the "criminal is the victim mentality" has severely infiltrated the jury pool but put them on trial and work for the conviction. They seem to find evidence when they want to find evidence with all the technology today!
I think we're talking about 2 different years. I guess I'm talking about 2023, which was up. You're talking about 2024, which was down. I was replying to adcoop who said violent crime had not been up since 2021.
Yep- and we all fall victim to it at times- grabbing onto the headlines and some media that revels in this stuff.
My dad sits and watches too much cable tv. When my family went to New York last year, he texted me numerous times every day absolutely terrified we would be attacked on the streets. He always tries to talk me out of taking the family almost anywhere. I keep telling my dad life is too short to be that scared.
I told him before- we could be attacked on the street- it happens- but the chances are very low- low there and low anywhere we would have went. (It was our 3rd straight December taking a trip to New York over the holidays).
obviously, you have a higher chance in a large city because of the sheer numbers of people but it's still a very low chance.
I have never had any issues in Charlotte either. Have lived in the area for 32 years now. Fox News got hold of the murder on the Light Rail and lost their minds. I never liked the idea of riding the Light Rail at night by myself before that happened because it is a cheap form of transportation and you are going to get all kinds on those trains. I ride them to the Panthers games in the day, but that is when mostly Panthers fans with some means are on the trains and nothing going to happen on those days.
I was talking about National Crime Statistics. As with all statistics, you can use them how you want to make your point.
My wife and I love staying at The Dunhill and walking to and from plays at Blumenthal Arts Center. We've never had any issues. Taken my wife, my daughter, etc.. Took a walking tour once with some business friends- one of those food tours where you go to various restaurants.
Obviously, you have to be aware of where you are at- but that's good, basic advice in any town.
Lmao, so just like he said.
Good thing you wasted a bunch of posts only to agree in the end.
I have some personal experiences with this sort of incident, not a sensationalized news story to repeat.
One of them - In September of 2022, a fellow I've been friends with for 50 years was traveling down Broad River Rd in Columbia when he was struck by a woman turning left at the intersection of Bush River Rd. She tried to leave the scene but was prevented from doing so by other motorists. He lost the use of both legs, his right arm and is now confined to a bed and a wheelchair (and has to pay for a homecare assistant). He was a very athletic (weightlifter) and active fellow, so this is even more devastating to him. The woman who hit him had no license or insurance. But the best part is that he is the second person she's done this to and she's never spent a day in jail for either incident.
The term is "judgement proof". These people aren't worried about civil actions because they have nothing that can be taken from them... except their freedom. And that's where I'd go with this - lock them up since that's all they have. That way you can be sure they couldn't do it to someone else while they're incarcerated... and she's already proven she'll do it again if given the opportunity.
You can bet your sphincter that the people in "the system" wouldn't let someone slide with little to no consequences if it was one of their loved ones who was killed.
One of them - In September of 2022, a fellow I've been friends with for 50 years was traveling down Broad River Rd in Columbia when he was struck by a woman turning left at the intersection of Bush River Rd. She tried to leave the scene but was prevented from doing so by other motorists. He lost the use of both legs, his right arm and is now confined to a bed and a wheelchair (and has to pay for a homecare assistant). He was a very athletic (weightlifter) and active fellow, so this is even more devastating to him. The woman who hit him had no license or insurance. But the best part is that he is the second person she's done this to and she's never spent a day in jail for either incident.
The term is "judgement proof". These people aren't worried about civil actions because they have nothing that can be taken from them... except their freedom. And that's where I'd go with this - lock them up since that's all they have. That way you can be sure they couldn't do it to someone else while they're incarcerated... and she's already proven she'll do it again if given the opportunity.
You can bet your sphincter that the people in "the system" wouldn't let someone slide with little to no consequences if it was one of their loved ones who was killed.
....agree with what when I was the initial poster regarding crime stats. I said violent crime was down since 2021. I never made any mention of Charlotte stats. I was talking about National FBI Violent Crime Stats. Someone could have asked what I meant instead of just assuming I was talking about Charlotte.
Adcoop, go back and look at my post. Who was i responding to? I'll shorten the back and forth and give you a hint, it wasn't you.
My post wasn't to you, or even about you. But I get that you live with a lot of confusion.
Have you at least approached some family members yet about your condition?
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Wrong word.
Right word: > Liberals.
Nobody is responsible for anything, didn't you know that? Everyone else is to blame and if that fails, > racism.
Thank you for the heads-up. The pattern has become unmistakable. Hopefully, he/she will seek help.
There is a similar poster on The Insider forum. I wonder if it’s the same person using an alternate account? Very possible. I felt sorry for him (most likely what he’s seeking) and eventually ignored his posts, especially when I found out from other long-time posters that he’d faked his death on the forum. Sad.
Well, I think we need some good football around here.
Well, we have football, not necessarily good football.
Did you not see that Horrific ACT!!?? you are saying it would have been okay had FOX NEWS not gotten a hold of it!! WTF!!! Have you lost your mind?? That idiot didnt even have to go to trial. I wonder if it had been a White dude slitting a Black Girl's throat??
Indeed.
He tries to project a positive attitude - "Hey, I had a good run while it lasted!" - but it doesn't change what's happened nor the fact that they weren't held accountable. If you walked up to someone on the street and inflicted the same bodily harm, you'd likely be in prison for a long stretch for aggravated assault. But because it involves a motor vehicle, it seems other rules apply.
I saw it and heinous crimes happen everywhere. ...and what does the victim's race have to do with it. So, that crime would have been somehow more acceptable if it would have been a victim of another race. If you know anything about Charlotte, it only costs $2.00 to ride the light rail. Therefore, you get all kinds of strange characters on there especially at night. I wish the victim had not been riding the light rail alone at almost 10:00 at night. I wouldn't allow my daughter to do that.
sort of like DUI laws- always been weaker in terms of punishment in many respects.Indeed.
He tries to project a positive attitude - "Hey, I had a good run while it lasted!" - but it doesn't change what's happened nor the fact that they weren't held accountable. If you walked up to someone on the street and inflicted the same bodily harm, you'd likely be in prison for a long stretch for aggravated assault. But because it involves a motor vehicle, it seems other rules apply.
DUI arrests are almost always pleaded down to reckless driving or some such thing. South Carolina has always made it tough to make a DUI arrest stick when it comes to court.
What's crazy is - right here even in rural south carolina- we have cases were someone is murdered- only to find out the perpetrator has a long history of drug abuse, drug offenses, arrests for drug possession or dealing, etc- and they were still out of jail. This is in our rural, conservative counties- in a state like South Carolina. Those cases don't make cable news or talk radio.
I know a local case in my area (rural) where a guy who was fairly well known was arrested for illegal gun possession (felon in possession) and he wasn't even prosecuted. I happened to have contacted the mayor several years afterward asking what happened because I had never heard anything about the case going to court- and the major actually responded "it wasn't pursued" (The mayor wasn't happy about it but it wasn't the mayor's call)
I also know of another situation in rural South Carolina where a long time drug abuser and dealer wasn't prosecuted after being caught yet again because he was sick and they didn't want to waste resources on prosecuting him.
it sure does happen everywhere. They just aren't good news stories most of the time.
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Cases of all kinds get pleaded down because you never know with a jury trial. I represented a young guy driving over 100 mph across the Buster Boy Bridge between Clover, SC and Charlotte for "Failure to Stop". I had arranged a deal to plead it down because I am thinking there was no way a jury is going to believe that he didn't recognize the cops behind him. Well, my client wasn't the brightest and couldn't get through the plea questions and we had to seat a jury. The jury let that guy walk and you could see the prosecutors on the other sides with looks of disbelief on their faces.
It does happen everywhere. The issue is, the people who commit these crimes are, as you say, not in prison after what amounts to a lifetime of breaking the law. If they were in prison, where they should be, the heinous crimes would not occur.
If someone killed my daughter, and that person had been released from custody without punishment from previous crimes, or was let off with a slap on the wrist like the Charlotte motorist, I really think I would find a way to kill the person who killed my child. I might even go so far as to kill the judge who released the criminal. I know neither action would "bring my daughter back" as the do gooder/apologists like to say, but it would certainly be justice for me and it might make another driver think twice before killing someone and fleeing or a judge to think twice before releasing known criminals into society.
Before anyone starts with "then you would go to prison" talk, I would be fine with that if it happened. However, I think I would like my chances with finding at least one person on a jury who would agree with me. If a crazy b**ch can kill her three kids and claim she was depressed and 11 people on a jury want to acquit her, I think I could convince a jury that what I did was justified.
I think that's what people forget. When I was just out of college, I worked at a law firm for a year running errands, etc - a runner.
I saw things where the attorneys knew their guy was guilty as crap but knew there was no way the other side would win in front of a jury. Now, these cases weren't murders or violent crimes but still- it was obvious.
When you know you can get something- or nothing- you often take something- especially if the family is pushing for at least something.
Yes of course- but in some of these cases that's not the case
The lady that run the red light above and struck someone wasn't a lifetime criminal that I can tell. She pleaded to a light punishment in comparison. It stinks. Someone died. She struck them. But I can also understand why a prosecutor might plead the way he did in that case because he fears a jury might not think she deserves prison if they believe the guy mistakenly stepped out in front of her.
I can understand that. No doubt about it.
The system massively failed with that lunatic. The system is not well designed to handle some of this stuff.
The only thing is- someone is screwed up in the head as that guy wouldn't even notice such a thing and would never be deterred - even if he was in prison. He was a mental case and should have been in an asylum. But we don't have those anymore.
First that girl was killed on the train a while back.
Now a lady runs a red light, hits a guy, flees the scene, leaving the guy to die. She was charged with "misdemeanor death by vehicle"....which is a thing???....and sentenced to 30 days in jail. 30 days?
Charlotte woman sentenced to 30 days in hit-and-run killing former Queens University student-athlete
Woman pleaded guilty to felony hit-and-run and misdemeanor death by vehicle
I am not surprised by the slack prosecution of laws in some areas. I am also not surprised at the two people defending that in this thread.
If you are talking about me, I am not defending it. I am just being a realist given that I am a part of that Criminal Justice System. I have never hid the fact that I am a Criminal Defense Attorney. However, with that experience, I realize that it takes tax increases that most citizens are not willing to accept. Jails are not free. Corrections workers have to be paid. Judges are not releasing criminals into the community with no rhyme or reason. The system does allow for bonds prior to trial. Further, the capacity of a city or state's correctional system plays a part in who goes to jail and for how long as well. I have never said someone committing a heinous crime should not be punished. I am saying that most of you are looking past all of the factors involved.
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