This. Everyone already knows the $$ is what matters now for those calling the shots. If not we wouldn't have these ridiculous conferences stretching from one coast to the other.....
Hearing bad rumors (band)
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See that's the whole thing though , because the people who make those decisions only care about $$. If not we wouldn't have Rutgers/Maryland and the left coast schools in the B1G.
Cancel the season for the band or the football team? It would be crazy to cancel the football season for how the band is managed or conducted.
He was referring to canceling the marching band season, which to my knowledge is still up in the air. I'm sure that will be a big topic among band members and leadership as they share their grief this week. I don't see any way that they would be able to prepare for a show this weekend or next. At the very most maybe they will have a smaller band in the stands just to play music like the pep band at basketball games. If they decide to march any more this year I doubt it would be earlier than the Ohio St game, which is likely their "show of the year." Again, I'm sure they are going to be discussing this in depth. There are no doubt a large number of band members who don't want to be walking out on that field or sitting in those stands again any time soon.
He meant the band, but I doubt they'll do that. Maybe they don't play for a couple of weeks until the temp moderates.
God damnit, this is just awful news. So sad. RIP young man. My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family. Heck, the entire HMB family.
From Facebook:
To our Hawkeye Marching Band and School of Music family,
On Saturday, September 5, a student in our Hawkeye Marching Band family experienced a significant medical emergency, and this morning he passed away. Derek Phillips was our mellophone section leader, a beloved member of the School of Music horn studio, and the kind of friend, student, and musician that represents the very best of what it means to be a Hawkeye.
Losing a HMB family member is one of the most difficult tragedies we will experience. We are grateful to his parents, Sara and Brian, for providing regular updates throughout the weekend to HMB staff and the students who love him. We will continue to walk the journey together, and we will continue to provide support and resources to our students to ensure they are getting the care they need. The Hawkeye Marching Band and the School of Music are strong and resilient because of the people within. We appreciate the thoughts and well-wishes from so many members of our community.
Dr. Walker and I are grateful for the heroic actions of our athletic trainer, our police officers, university medical personnel, EMS, and our HMB students who responded immediately and provided assistance to Derek on-site before he was transported to UIHC.
Counselors will be on site in Voxman, and with the HMB all week. We encourage you to reach out to those around you and ask for support if you need it.
There is nothing more important than the safety of our students. Their well-being is always at the top of my mind. We are teaching them more than music and marching— and we are a family. I told the band on Saturday, when we gathered after we departed from Kinnick Stadium, “As a parent, the care I have for my own son extends to every single marching Hawkeye.”
This Saturday, and for the rest of our season, the Hawkeye Marching Band and School of Music will honor Derek’s memory, and we will communicate those details as they take shape.
The University of Iowa, the School of Music, and the Hawkeye Marching Band leadership will continue to provide support in the coming days, weeks, and months to students who need it. We understand that grief affects us in many different ways, and we are committed to supporting our students in whatever ways they need.
With much gratitude for our Hawkeye family,
Dr. Eric W. Bush
Director of the Hawkeye Marching Band
Associate Director of the School of Music
Dr. Tammie Walker
Director of the School of Music
To our Hawkeye Marching Band and School of Music family,
On Saturday, September 5, a student in our Hawkeye Marching Band family experienced a significant medical emergency, and this morning he passed away. Derek Phillips was our mellophone section leader, a beloved member of the School of Music horn studio, and the kind of friend, student, and musician that represents the very best of what it means to be a Hawkeye.
Losing a HMB family member is one of the most difficult tragedies we will experience. We are grateful to his parents, Sara and Brian, for providing regular updates throughout the weekend to HMB staff and the students who love him. We will continue to walk the journey together, and we will continue to provide support and resources to our students to ensure they are getting the care they need. The Hawkeye Marching Band and the School of Music are strong and resilient because of the people within. We appreciate the thoughts and well-wishes from so many members of our community.
Dr. Walker and I are grateful for the heroic actions of our athletic trainer, our police officers, university medical personnel, EMS, and our HMB students who responded immediately and provided assistance to Derek on-site before he was transported to UIHC.
Counselors will be on site in Voxman, and with the HMB all week. We encourage you to reach out to those around you and ask for support if you need it.
There is nothing more important than the safety of our students. Their well-being is always at the top of my mind. We are teaching them more than music and marching— and we are a family. I told the band on Saturday, when we gathered after we departed from Kinnick Stadium, “As a parent, the care I have for my own son extends to every single marching Hawkeye.”
This Saturday, and for the rest of our season, the Hawkeye Marching Band and School of Music will honor Derek’s memory, and we will communicate those details as they take shape.
The University of Iowa, the School of Music, and the Hawkeye Marching Band leadership will continue to provide support in the coming days, weeks, and months to students who need it. We understand that grief affects us in many different ways, and we are committed to supporting our students in whatever ways they need.
With much gratitude for our Hawkeye family,
Dr. Eric W. Bush
Director of the Hawkeye Marching Band
Associate Director of the School of Music
Dr. Tammie Walker
Director of the School of Music
My son was in the Hawkeye Marching Band, and like Derek, was a mellophone section leader.
My heart goes out to Derek's family and to his band mates. This is absolutely terrible.
No kidding, just another day in the SW. Not to mention that Phoenix doesn't get the humidity that we do in the summer.
In Iowa City it was 92 with 58% humidity for a feels like of 103 F. And that temperature is at the airport, not inside the stadium with 70,000 people and the rubber field holding and reflecting heat. If the air temp was 100 inside the stadium with the same humidity, the feels like jumps to 127 F. And there's people in the news saying the air temp was actually 106 on the field which would skyrocket the feels like even more. In Phoenix on Saturday it was 100 F with a 21% humidity for a feels like of 87 F. That's a pretty big difference. In Iowa City the humidity wouldn't allow your sweat to evaporate, far different from someone in the arid desert.
Sorry to hear about this. Maybe the university will try to push for some changes to have later tv times for the first few weeks of the season in the future. For those that were there, would it have been better if the game started at 11 instead of the afternoon start time?
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I had heard the marching band would be honoring this individual throughout the rest of the season.
I was living in Minnesota in 2001 when Viking offensive lineman Corey Stringer died from a heat stroke during a hot training camp day. After that tragic death, the NFL implemented more stringent measures to combat the heat, including having cold water immersion tubs near every practice field.
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Turf sucks. As a soccer coach, it makes the game unnatural. Bounces are way higher, speed is way faster, wind makes the ball move all over.
Good grass will always be better than good turf. The problem for Iowa high schools is that any turf is better than horrible grass, which are most of the fields.
I think most if not all of us will support whatever HMB decides to do for the rest of the season. I also expect all black helmets for Saturday night's game.
If college football went back to nine-game schedules this season wouldn't start until September 26. I know, I know, $$$ and TV and when pigs fly in a frozen hell. But football is supposed to be a fall sport.
If college football went back to nine-game schedules this season wouldn't start until September 26. I know, I know, $$$ and TV and when pigs fly in a frozen hell. But football is supposed to be a fall sport.
Forget it. This dude went full potato in this thread and I doubt much can be done about it at this point.It isn't just that it is shining, seasons make a difference too.
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Just read about what happened. I know from experience that most of Iowa is lower in temps throughout the year than South Carolina so from someone who has experienced both your climate and mine. I was sorry to hear the young man suffered a heat related injury and died from it.
Feel for the parents that had to make that decision and the prayers of the Gamecock Nation are with all of you.
Just to let you guys know our game started at 12:45 and it was 96 degrees and got as high as 99 open temp heat index was 115. our band was in t shirts and shorts and we had some suffer heat injuries. If you happened to watch our game, the stadium was almost empty at the start of the second half due to the heat.
Feel for the parents that had to make that decision and the prayers of the Gamecock Nation are with all of you.
Just to let you guys know our game started at 12:45 and it was 96 degrees and got as high as 99 open temp heat index was 115. our band was in t shirts and shorts and we had some suffer heat injuries. If you happened to watch our game, the stadium was almost empty at the start of the second half due to the heat.
This article about the death of Derek Phillips is from his home area. It describes some of the commendable efforts the university took to try to prevent problems such as Derek experienced.
From the KCRG investigation article it almost sounds to me like the University either doesn’t have a policy on the heat, or is unwilling to share it….which makes me wonder if it wasn’t followed.
I will be shocked if this doesn’t end up in a massive lawsuit. Big money college sports trumps safety? No way.
I will be shocked if this doesn’t end up in a massive lawsuit. Big money college sports trumps safety? No way.
I just watched KCRG's i9 Investigates video on You Tube. It talked about what they called the "Wet Bulb Globe Temperature" that takes multiple factors into account to measure heat-related risks, and recommendations that are in place to address those risks. The temperature during the game exceeded the maximum safe temperature recommended for activities. That maximum "WBGT" temperature is 89.7 degrees.
They contacted the university to see what their guidelines for heat levels is, but so far, they haven't received a response.
Go Fund Me started by Derek's friends to help support his family, including younger siblings,in the aftermath of his death.
It's not just about what happened during the game, it was also everything leading up to the game. For a 3:15pm game, I think the band starts warm ups around 10:30 or so for a few hours, then they break for lunch at like 12:30, then they go to the Rec Show at about 1:45pm until like 2:30 (and I've been in that Rec Show building in the heat and it's stifling.....no AC, no air movement, no fans), then they march to the stadium and stand in the tunnels for awhile, then they do their pre-game routine on the field, then go sit in the stands with no cooling and limited water/gatorade. So by the time Derek collapsed, at around 4:30 or so, they'd been going for over 6 hours. There definitely needs to be changes made. I'd start with eliminating the Rec show when it's over a certain temp and maybe have the athletic department pony up for a crap ton of gatorade/powerade for the band during the game.
Oh, I agree. I was describing conditions at the stadium and on the field. The U. tried to mitigate against all of the heat as you have said, but if they had a procedure in place to address those conditions, taking into account the WBGT, then why didn't they cancel the game? Have they responded to i9 yet?
There will be a lot of questions about what happened to Derek, and I'm sure the U will be looking at all of it very closely. From what other posters have said, emergency personnel were overwhelmed by the number of people having significant problems, needing help getting out of Kinnick, getting hydrated, etc. (probably not helped by a few hours of tailgating) Others have mentioned that security personnel (police?) were helping out, too. Where was the band when this happened? Still in the stands or down on the sidelines getting ready for halftime? How long did it take for someone to realize the seriousness of Derek's condition, and what was done when it became clear? Was CPR done in the stadium and how soon? If they were on the field, could the team's medical personnel have gotten involved? And then the logistics of getting an unconscious person in cardiac arrest up and out of that place and over to the hospital through the noise and the crowd. Lots to consider. It was a freak event, no doubt, but such circumstances can surely occur again in these early games.
HMB to honor Derek, per KCCI.
Link: https://www.kcci.com/article/hawkey...-phillips-death-iowa-football-honors/73668536
Link: https://www.kcci.com/article/hawkey...-phillips-death-iowa-football-honors/73668536
Coach Fitz mentioned this on his radio show the other day. First, I heard about this. Truly Tragic. Thoughts and Prayers to his family and all the Hawkeyes.
I was there and can confirm the band was in shorts and tee shirts.
That's why it would be nice if people waited before condemning the school, band director etc... for having them out there in full uniform and some of the other charges against them.
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