Paying players~:~

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I wouldn’t be surprised that eventually high school players will be paid.Paying players in college is pathetic and is slowly eroding the sport.

 

[DannyTree1]

I have no issue with playing players in college.

I am sure some high school players are already being paid.

 

[Piscis]

I have no issue with playing players in college.

I am sure some high school players are already being paid.

If college players are paid to play football, they should not get scholarships, room and board, tutors, athletic dining halls, etc.. They should have to pay for tuition and everything else out of their own pockets.

Regular students who get paid to be TAs, RAs, work in dining halls, etc. are not given a totally free education.

 

[DannyTree1]

If college players are paid to play football, they should not get scholarships, room and board, tutors, athletic dining halls, etc.. They should have to pay for tuition and everything else out of their own pockets.

Regular students who get paid to be TAs, RAs, work in dining halls, etc. are not given a totally free education.

I am ok with that as long as it is enough to cover those things. No school can compete in recruiting if it doesn't.

I agree - but schools aren't competing for TAs, RAs, etc in 99.99% of the cases.

Paying players is here to stay.

 

[Lurker123]

If college players are paid to play football, they should not get scholarships, room and board, tutors, athletic dining halls, etc.. They should have to pay for tuition and everything else out of their own pockets.

Regular students who get paid to be TAs, RAs, work in dining halls, etc. are not given a totally free education.

It would be interesting to see, but it wont happen, imo. The school that drops the schollarships would be a big disadvantage in recruiting.

Really, we just need to stop pretending these guys are students. Make them employees and move on.

 

[Piscis]

It would be interesting to see, but it wont happen, imo. The school that drops the schollarships would be a big disadvantage in recruiting.

Really, we just need to stop pretending these guys are students. Make them employees and move on.

If they become employees, do they still have to be enrolled as students? I don't think any of the other university employees are required to be students.

Also, if they are employees, can their tenure as an employee be limited in time. I don't think any of the campus grounds care employees are restricted to only being able to work for 5 years. Could a football player be playing at 30 years old going into his 12th year as a player?

If the employee is injured, does work comp pay for their treatment and lost wages? Will there be a new work comp classification for "college football player"? If they are employees, can they be fired for not performing their duties to the standard required by their employer?

 

[DannyTree1]

If they become employees, do they still have to be enrolled as students? I don't think any of the other university employees are required to be students.

Also, if they are employees, can their tenure as an employee be limited in time. I don't think any of the campus grounds care employees are restricted to only being able to work for 5 years. Could a football player be playing at 30 years old going into his 12th year as a player?

If the employee is injured, does work comp pay for their treatment and lost wages? Will there be a new work comp classification for "college football player"? If they are employees, can they be fired for not performing their duties to the standard required by their employer?

Don't know. I don't think most want to be employees though, so I doubt that happens. That would give them less options.

 

[muscleknight]

It would be interesting to see, but it wont happen, imo. The school that drops the schollarships would be a big disadvantage in recruiting.

Really, we just need to stop pretending these guys are students. Make them employees and move on.

Just merge college teams into the UFL and start in spring. Give each team 4 bye weeks

 

[JohnnySolo]

I'm watching kids transfer to different HS to play baseball every year. Dorman, James Island to name a few. Dorman is public. JI could agree to pay for admission or something. But those two had several transferred players last year.

Irmo and Dutch Fork football have kids going back and forth. There is HS recruiting going on, but not sure about the monetary value.

 

[Lurker123]

If they become employees, do they still have to be enrolled as students? I don't think any of the other university employees are required to be students.

Also, if they are employees, can their tenure as an employee be limited in time. I don't think any of the campus grounds care employees are restricted to only being able to work for 5 years. Could a football player be playing at 30 years old going into his 12th year as a player?

If the employee is injured, does work comp pay for their treatment and lost wages? Will there be a new work comp classification for "college football player"? If they are employees, can they be fired for not performing their duties to the standard required by their employer?

There would be a whole host of changes, and not many would be in favor of the players. So it would have to be forced.

Imo, they would give up all pretenses of being students. We're close to being there, we just need to make it official.

But yes, they have insurance, they have pay, they would probably have contracts, which would lead to a union. This would calm down some of the nonsense, but it would take power away from the players.

The one thing you brought up that I didn't think about was age. The NFL restricts the entering age, but what if I guy just wants to keep working for Alabama? How would you restrict the number of years of eligibility?

It could be done, but some lawyers would get rich off setting it up.

 

[Uscg1984]

Of course HS players can get paid. They can have summer and/or part time jobs, so there's no real way to police who is getting well more than market value for their services. I have no doubt there are HS football stars collecting checks for what is essentially a no-show job - more than likely from boosters trying to steer him toward a certain college program.

I can't imagine somebody caring enough about the success of a HS team to lay out huge sums, though. They may exist, but they are certainly part of a higher class of losers.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

The NFL restricts the entering age

So the NFL gets to run their organization as they see fit. The NCAA not so much. That seems fair.

 

[adcoop]

If college players are paid to play football, they should not get scholarships, room and board, tutors, athletic dining halls, etc.. They should have to pay for tuition and everything else out of their own pockets.

Regular students who get paid to be TAs, RAs, work in dining halls, etc. are not given a totally free education.

That may make sense in an ideal world. This will never work in practice because there is too much competition out there. That's what drives the cost of paying players in the first place. School A does not provide scholarships, School B will.

 

[Lurker123]

So the NFL gets to run their organization as they see fit. The NCAA not so much. That seems fair.

I think that just comes from having a players union to negotiate with.

There is no such thing in college because they arent employees.....yet.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I think that just comes from having a players union to negotiate with.

There is no such thing in college because they arent employees.....yet.

Unions don't have to deal with judges?

 

[Lurker123]

Unions don't have to deal with judges?

They do. But if the playersbunion agrees to an age stipulation, the NFL can enforce that and the player would be suing the union AND the NFL at that point. Or my hears of watching Matlock have failed me.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

They do. But if the playersbunion agrees to an age stipulation, the NFL can enforce that and the player would be suing the union AND the NFL at that point. Or my hears of watching Matlock have failed me.

Seems like college players, by agreeing to play NCAA football, agree to follow all laws and bylaws of said organization. But I never watched Andy Taylor pretend to be a lawyer.

 

[bayrooster]

Seems like college players, by agreeing to play NCAA football, agree to follow all laws and bylaws of said organization. But I never watched Andy Taylor pretend to be a lawyer.

I thought it appeared that Matlock was shorter than Andy Taylor.

 

[Gamecock Jacque]

I thought it appeared that Matlock was shorter than Andy Taylor.

Shrinkage.

 

[DannyTree1]

I thought it appeared that Matlock was shorter than Andy Taylor.

Fun fact

Andy Griffith wore braces on his legs for the first several years of Matlock.

 

[Lurker123]

Shrinkage.

He was in the pool! He was in the pool!

 

[DeBoer31]

I wouldn’t be surprised that eventually high school players will be paid.Paying players in college is pathetic and is slowly eroding the sport.

Despite all the people who will refuse to admit they were wrong and say paying players is good....you are 100% correct. It's really not my, your or anyone else's opinion....the game and everything about it just ain't the same.

 

[DeBoer31]

Don't know. I don't think most want to be employees though, so I doubt that happens. That would give them less options.

lol.... Well when you are paid...you are just that - an employee. NFL players = employees. Right now they are having their cake and eating it too.
We know it's here to stay...nobody arguing that. We just recognize that the overall play isn't as good, the system overall isn't as good and about 95% of the guys playing CFB are getting overpaid for what they actually bring in. 80K + fans don't show up to W-B every year for the last 40 years year in and out because of any individual players. They show up for the name on the front of the jersey.... as he represents us all. If they hadn't gone to a playoff system/bracket....CFB would likely look like the NBA in the 70s right now.

 

[kidrobinski]

They do. But if the playersbunion agrees to an age stipulation, the NFL can enforce that and the player would be suing the union AND the NFL at that point. Or my hears of watching Matlock have failed me.

‘The Players Bunion’.

Good name for a band.

 

[Lurker123]

‘The Players Bunion’.

Good name for a band.

Ha. I suffer from "fat finger syndrome" on these little phone keyboards.

Maybe I shouldn't use my thumbs.....

 

[usc_nc]

I'm watching kids transfer to different HS to play baseball every year. Dorman, James Island to name a few. Dorman is public. JI could agree to pay for admission or something. But those two had several transferred players last year.

Irmo and Dutch Fork football have kids going back and forth. There is HS recruiting going on, but not sure about the monetary value.

The reason two of South Carolina High School players moved to N.C. for Senior YearI don’t know if they recd $, I am asking and surmising.

And luckily we got commitments from both. The 5* and 4* DBs from Hough HS ?

The article deals with legal decision and not the two players.


HS Players in N.C. can get NIL

 

[cocksx5]

there are some hs players, mainly bball drawing big $$$$ I think the kids ought to be paid,
way too much $$$ in system, plus I have in no way seen effect us. we were avg at best in fball b4 so no difference.
bball was just terrible hire, and I don't think college baseball going to be much effected, if ur that
good ur n pros, womens bball just few players will b paid. those good b4 will continue to do so.
and nationally those traditionally good in all sports will continue. to me just haven't seen any real
difference overall

 

[adcoop]

It all started with the coaches being paid exorbitant salaries and using legal counsel to void contracts. So, the door for this product going the way of professional sports was opened decades ago. Time has shown that it is difficult to open a door and keep others out when (players) can look in and enjoy the view. I blame the suits for not being visionary and not recognizing that the money, especially in football, made this a professional sport a long time ago and rules should have been drafted to manage it. However, as said in Proverbs, "Pride goes before a fall".

 

[bayrooster]

It all started with the coaches being paid exorbitant salaries and using legal counsel to void contracts. So, the door for this product going the way of professional sports was opened decades ago. Time has shown that it is difficult to open a door and keep others out when (players) can look in and enjoy the view. I blame the suits for not being visionary and not recognizing that the money, especially in football, made this a professional sport a long time ago and rules should have been drafted to manage it. However, as said in Proverbs, "Pride goes before a fall".

College players were not employees.

 

[adcoop]

College players were not employees.

College Players are not employees now. They are getting paid. The NCAA played the semantics game you are playing and have suffered the consequences. Everyone needs to stop crying about what was and do what they can to make the best of the situation we have.

 

[Lurker123]

College Players are not employees now. They are getting paid. The NCAA played the semantics game you are playing and have suffered the consequences. Everyone needs to stop crying about what was and do what they can to make the best of the situation we have.

I think you misunderstood. You say it started because of coaches salaries, and hes saying that shouldn't matter because the players weren't the same as coaches, they weren't employees.