If The Best Team Won The Title
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These are AI driven, based on SRS, championship performance, regular season performance, dominance, etc. I provided no input on the methodology.
Right off the bat, statistically there is no way we were the best team in 98. Despite what our stupidest fans say, tubby coached that group up and willed that team to a title. Duke and North Carolina were both on paper much better than we were.
Based on your feedback, the computer has spoken. North Carolina has now taken the mantle for 1998.
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Wasn't Kansas considered the overwhelming favorite in 97 as well?
The NCAA tournament is great at creating excitement.
The NCAA tournament is the worst way of deciding a champion in any sports league that I know of.
The NCAA tournament is the worst way of deciding a champion in any sports league that I know of.
Revising the original post after multiple audits.
Please give constructive feedback and prepare to argue your case.
Please give constructive feedback and prepare to argue your case.
My feedback is that ai slop is useless and with opaque methodology there's no discussion to be had.
It shows just how dominate those UCLA teams were. They didn’t stumble often.
One of our years we didn’t participate in the tournament since graduate students weren’t allowed.
Wasn't Kansas the favorite n 2010? Not sure how Duke ranks as best team; they weren't.
Good point. Duke had 0.53 advantage in SRS but that’s not enough to overcome Kansas’s body of work. I’ll revise with Kansas as the best team in 2010.
What is the point of this gen AI garbage? Are you incapable of forming an opinion yourself?
Several of these are wrong. North Carolina was not the best team in 1984, Michael Jordan be damned. Kentucky was the best team in 1984.
North Carolina has the better body of work compared to Kentucky in ‘84
They had a higher SRS, better record (28-3), higher AP ranking (#1). North Carolina started 17-0 before Kenny Smith injury. Kentucky closed the season stronger but I think North Carolina has the edge there, even though Kentucky has a good case. Conference tournament and NCAA tournament accomplishments favor UK, but UNC I think has the better total argument.
I would love to hear some other errors you’re seeing though.
So basically this is modern day Helm's titles.
That is precisely where the idea came from actually. I did some research of programs from 1893-1938 and it spawned more intrigue about teams in the early NCAAT era where both the NIT and NCAAT both held prestige. One thing led to another and then I’m here lol
Its August 29th. Other than that boring as hell unc vs tcu game bot much going on.
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For 93 unc was good but I think both Michigan and UK were close to them too. If brown doesnt get hurt and UK beats Michigan would uk have been favored against unc?
I like this thread.
For 93 unc was good but I think both Michigan and UK were close to them too. If brown doesnt get hurt and UK beats Michigan would uk have been favored against unc?
REVISION: Thanks to a good tip on KSBoard, Michigan State has overtaken Cincinnati in 2000. Our revision now considers the effect of Mateen Cleaves injury which was missed before.
If anyone finds other errors, lmk
If anyone finds other errors, lmk
The margin was close in 1993. North Carolina wasn’t an obvious favorite.
And I’m going to add the Brown injury and have it re-pull it and see if UNC still has the edge
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1993 North Carolina still has the slight edge due to its SRS. It is worth noting: minus an injury to Dale Brown, it seems Kentucky may have been a very small betting favorite over UNC hypothetically (if we beat Michigan.) It’s close enough that the SRS and finished product from North Carolina got them over the edge.
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UConn having the best team in only 3 of it's 6 is the crazy outlier. It'd go as far as saying the 99 team was right up there with Duke. The other two are the luckiest runs ever.
Duke would have 7 instead of 5 based on this, so I'm ok with how it's all landed. The Beef YouTube team have a great doc on this, top 5 teams not to win a title. Was Duke 99 #1. Then it was a combo of UNLV 1992, UK 2015, Zags 2021 and Duke 2025.
Duke would have 7 instead of 5 based on this, so I'm ok with how it's all landed. The Beef YouTube team have a great doc on this, top 5 teams not to win a title. Was Duke 99 #1. Then it was a combo of UNLV 1992, UK 2015, Zags 2021 and Duke 2025.
Sitting through the Georgetown game was just awful. I remember my dad commenting that Georgetown had a guy that was 23 or 24 years old and he couldn't stand it. My poor dad would be losing his mind these days with all the older guys being eligible lol.
Georgetown, another program that shows how quickly things can fade with bad coaching decisions. They were the cool brand in the 90s with Ewing, Twin Towers and Iverson. Thompson steps down, now they're a puddle of mud. The Ewing coaching hire (player alumnus) sunk them. Lesson learned there.
It’s been almost 40 years, but just going off of memory I would say Illinois was the best team in 1989. They beat Michigan twice in the regular season before losing to them in the Final 4.
Yeah 99 uconn was like 37 and 2? Pretty dominant.
2011 and 2014 were lucky. To be fair our 2011 and 2014 runs were lucky as well. We just had our luck run out against uconn both times and it blows.
I would have had Virginia in 2019 and Gonzaga in 2017. That 2017 UNC team in particular was a pretty weak champion. 7 losses. Lots of close games and numerous questionable calls in their favor in the tournament.
SRS probably hurts Gonzaga a lot and I get that, but they were dominant and had multiple future pros on that team.
SRS probably hurts Gonzaga a lot and I get that, but they were dominant and had multiple future pros on that team.
You were correct. It didn’t account for Kendall Gill and other injuries. Illinois takes the place of Michigan for 1989. Thank you
It doesn’t really. I can think of an infinite number of games in which a better team loses to a worse team.
I had these audited again using your comment.
Duke still edges Virginia in 2019.
However, good call on 2017. Not only does Gonzaga have favorable metrics and record, you mentioned SRS — it actually favors Gonzaga even more. North Carolina got too much extra credit for beating good teams in the NCAA tournament and that’s the kind of thing I’m trying to avoid.
However the SRS advantage is less than half a point and UNC did beat Gonzaga.
Keeping it UNC
Well first of all, UK beat UNC if not for cheating refs. 0 doubt n my mind UK beats Oregon and Gonzaga to win the title if not for that bs.
Yeah, 2 losses and one was with Hamilton out I believe. They were clearly 1B.
Sure on 2011 and 2014, but sometimes nice to have luck on your side.
BTW - great doc. Didn't want to start a new thread.
Ok I’ll check those out.
Just curious. What led you to say these are the best teams those seasons? That will help me analyze it
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