Stop the Witch Hunts, Let People Enjoy A Good Offseason

[Im The Village Idiot]

That’s all.

 

[TFCat11]

There was a time and place for that… That ship has sailed! Vintage UK basketball is back, in all of its glory!

Pope is sticking around for the foreseeable future, and Calipari, Self, Donovan, and Pitino, will be LONG retired before Pope is on the hot seat again

 

[AustinTXCat]

Are you kidding? Rafters starving. Residents want more.

 

[Kingslayer07]

Who enjoys the offseason?? Lol, let's play some damn games!

 

[SenseMaker_Cats]

Who enjoys the offseason?? Lol, let's play some damn games!

Me

 

[Dr.LutherSan]

There was a time and place for that… That ship has sailed! Vintage UK basketball is back, in all of its glory!

Pope is sticking around for the foreseeable future, and Calipari, Self, Donovan, and Pitino, will be LONG retired before Pope is on the hot seat again

I would hold off on that last statement. The guy is still currently on the hot seat. While the last couple recruits have been home runs, he still has to produce results.
For years there were complaints that recruiting titles don't matter. Now is that time.

 

[wildcat111]

There was a time and place for that… That ship has sailed! Vintage UK basketball is back, in all of its glory!

Pope is sticking around for the foreseeable future, and Calipari, Self, Donovan, and Pitino, will be LONG retired before Pope is on the hot seat again

Talk is cheap. Don't you think we should wait until we actually win something before building more trophy cases???

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

The bottom line is that regardless of how any of us have felt about Pope up until this summer, this is his shot to show what he can do. He has worked very hard to put together a Final Four contender. No one has really been "wrong" if they've supported him or critiqued him up until this point. What matters is the team that will take the court this season. If Pope wins big, I think you see 95%+ of BBN get passionately behind him. If he fails, it will be the opposite and the new AD will make the necessary changes.

It really all comes down to Pope at this point. He has all the needed equipment to make it to the Final Four.

 

[warrior-cat]

While the edition of Mitchell is icing on the cake so to speak, we would still have a good team without him (just in case "without him" happens) and like others have said, we must take a wait and see approach. This imo, is Pope's make or break year. He has the pieces, and the backing so... he needs to get it done.

 

[Mdnerd]

The bottom line is that regardless of how any of us have felt about Pope up until this summer, this is his shot to show what he can do. He has worked very hard to put together a Final Four contender. No one has really been "wrong" if they've supported him or critiqued him up until this point. What matters is the team that will take the court this season. If Pope wins big, I think you see 95%+ of BBN get passionately behind him. If he fails, it will be the opposite and the new AD will make the necessary changes.

It really all comes down to Pope at this point. He has all the needed equipment to make it to the Final Four.

How convenient for you. You've worked overtime to make this board miserable for those of us with an ounce of sanity. You made your bed with your anti Pope whiny BS nonstop for months. Now you want to play nice? Shove it...

 

[Son_Of_Saul]

How convenient for you. You've worked overtime to make this board miserable for those of us with an ounce of sanity. You made your bed with your anti Pope whiny BS nonstop for months. Now you want to play nice? Shove it...

I've been fascinated by your bizarre emo level posts about me since Mitchell committed. It's like you don't understand the power of changing a position based on new evidence. Reading your responses has been like reading the diary of a petty little Catholic school girl, still nursing a grudge leftover from 3rd grade, who refuses to see or even undestand an olive branch when it's offered to her.

You will undoubtedly respond, but I won't be reading any of your drivel in the future. So have at it. Type up something super vengeful and emotional, and I won't read a word of it...

How does that satisfy your need for trivial confrontation on a Wednesday morning, ole chap?

 

[Mdnerd]

I've been fascinated by your bizarre emo level posts about me since Mitchell committed. It's like you don't understand the power of changing a position based on new evidence. Reading your responses has been like reading the diary of a petty little Catholic school girl, still nursing a grudge leftover from 3rd grade, who refuses to see or even undestand an olive branch when it's offered to her.

You will undoubtedly respond, but I won't be reading any of your drivel in the future. So have at it. Type up something super vengeful and emotional, and I won't read a word of it...

How does that satisfy your need for trivial confrontation on a Wednesday morning, ole chap?

Youll read it. Hilarious you claim otherwise. Just know my calling you out is incredibly minor compared to your insane behavior the last few months. So as frustrating as I am to you, you have ben exponentially worse to others on this board. I told you and many like you I wouldn't be letting you forget when Pope rights the ship. You laughed at the time so confident Pope could never do that. I see youre not laughing now.

 

[Artlaibesghost]

Nothing wrong with BBN or this board for that matter that winning won't fix

 

[BigBluefoot]

How soon we forget.
Guys we just pressured a coach out of here who had one highly rated recruiting class after another and couldn't do anything with all that talent. Good class, but acting like Pope is now immune from criticism and isn't still on a hot seat is profoundly dumb. He still has to prove he can coach at a level Kentucky demands. If he doesn't start demanding players consistently get after it on defense, all the talent in the world will not save his job.

 

[Cattorney]

The bottom line is that regardless of how any of us have felt about Pope up until this summer, this is his shot to show what he can do. He has worked very hard to put together a Final Four contender. No one has really been "wrong" if they've supported him or critiqued him up until this point. What matters is the team that will take the court this season. If Pope wins big, I think you see 95%+ of BBN get passionately behind him. If he fails, it will be the opposite and the new AD will make the necessary changes.

It really all comes down to Pope at this point. He has all the needed equipment to make it to the Final Four.

Pope's already had 2 years here and like 9 elsewhere.

He has never won **** and isn't going to miraculously start now.

We have some good players but not a good team. We filled holes with what we could get and got lucky on some late circumstances and still having money available. There is a reason we still aren't projected as a top 10 pre season team at this point.

This team will be another horrible defensive team and will be out matched physically often. Their hope is to run up the score and pray the other team isn't making as many shots.

Pope will fail, and the hopefully this AD can go and land a real coach.

 

[Goingfor9]

There was a time and place for that… That ship has sailed! Vintage UK basketball is back, in all of its glory!

Pope is sticking around for the foreseeable future, and Calipari, Self, Donovan, and Pitino, will be LONG retired before Pope is on the hot seat again

I think he’s done a good job of having some players falling in his lap, but I’m not sold that he’s not on the hot seat. I mean his best two players were the last two that he landed. And I think everyone agrees that this season there’s high expectations. We have a relatively easy conference schedule or out of conference schedule isn’t too bad and we have the best team that Mark Pope is assembled. I remember last year though feeling real bullish feeling the same. We’ve got to win games and make really. I believe we need to make a final four. I mean there does come a time when booster say enough is enough. We’re not paying top five money for top 20 or top 25 results. And there’s just that stench of Barney still hovers around Mark Pope.

 

[DudahUK]

The bottom line is that regardless of how any of us have felt about Pope up until this summer, this is his shot to show what he can do. He has worked very hard to put together a Final Four contender. No one has really been "wrong" if they've supported him or critiqued him up until this point. What matters is the team that will take the court this season. If Pope wins big, I think you see 95%+ of BBN get passionately behind him. If he fails, it will be the opposite and the new AD will make the necessary changes.

It really all comes down to Pope at this point. He has all the needed equipment to make it to the Final Four.

Yup. The proverbial ball is in his court.

 

[DudahUK]

I've been fascinated by your bizarre emo level posts about me since Mitchell committed. It's like you don't understand the power of changing a position based on new evidence. Reading your responses has been like reading the diary of a petty little Catholic school girl, still nursing a grudge leftover from 3rd grade, who refuses to see or even undestand an olive branch when it's offered to her.

You will undoubtedly respond, but I won't be reading any of your drivel in the future. So have at it. Type up something super vengeful and emotional, and I won't read a word of it...

How does that satisfy your need for trivial confrontation on a Wednesday morning, ole chap?

Tons just like him on here.

 

[KYAnywhereEverywhere]

Pope's already had 2 years here and like 9 elsewhere.

He has never won **** and isn't going to miraculously start now.

We have some good players but not a good team. We filled holes with what we could get and got lucky on some late circumstances and still having money available. There is a reason we still aren't projected as a top 10 pre season team at this point.

This team will be another horrible defensive team and will be out matched physically often. Their hope is to run up the score and pray the other team isn't making as many shots.

Pope will fail, and the hopefully this AD can go and land a real coach.

I bet you're a lot of fun at parties

 

[UKBB4Ever]

I bet you're a lot of fun at parties

Probably not at Popette parties. But in the real world he’s probably a great party guy.

 

[Cattorney]

I bet you're a lot of fun at parties

Notice, there was nothing you could say to refute the actual post. I appreciate the use of fallacies though.

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

Notice, there was nothing you could say to refute the actual post. I appreciate the use of fallacies though.

Problem is…so far I’ve seen you regularly engage in ad hominem fallacies. You state you appreciate them…I certainly would say that checks out.

Just page one of your insults….

You can tell most of you have never had any real value to negotiate for yourselves.

Or take him off the team and they become more cohesive and win more game.

I agree, your take is goofy.

Damn, you're a sensitive little *****.

Talking about the other side of the argument, genius.

If you have good arguments to make and are skilled at communicating them, informal fallacies like ad hom shouldn’t be needed. I enjoy a good debate myself — and I must admit, there have been a few times I got it handed to me. Some of those times, I became emotional in my responses and lashed out with personal attacks rather than focusing on intellectually debunking my interlocutor. We have all done it — it seems to be a dominant card for some though.

 

[Cattorney]

Problem is…so far I’ve seen you regularly engage in ad hominem fallacies. You state you appreciate them…I certainly would say that checks out.

Just page one of your insults….










If you have good arguments to make and are skilled at communicating them, informal fallacies like ad hom shouldn’t be needed. I enjoy a good debate myself — and I must admit, there have been a few times I got it handed to me. Some of those times, I became emotional in my responses and lashed out with personal attacks rather than focusing on intellectually debunking my interlocutor. We have all done it — it seems to be a dominant card for some though.

Which ones are fallacies, though?

I do appreciate you taking the time to research my posts, though. I'm guessing I've said something to you previously to strike a chord.

"Talking about the other side of the argument, genius." How is that a fallacy?

"You can tell most of you have never had any real value to negotiate for yourselves." How is that one?

"Or take him off the team, become more cohesive and win more games. I agree your take was goofy." Again, how is that a fallacy?

"Damn, you're a sensitive little *****" How is this a fallacy?

If you're going to get upset about something, at least know what you're upset about. Lulz

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

Which ones are fallacies?

I do appreciate you taking the time to research my posts, though. I'm guessing I've said something to you previously to strike a chord.

They are the same type of fallacies as the ones you were bringing attention to in this thread. Informal logical fallacies (ad hominem).

And no, I don’t have anything against you and have had, to my knowledge, no interactions with you. I just noticed a pattern that you frequently post ad homs.

 

[Cattorney]

They are the same type of fallacies as the ones you were bringing attention to in this thread. Informal logical fallacies (ad hominem).

And no, I don’t have anything against you and have had, to my knowledge, no interactions with you. I just noticed a pattern that you frequently post ad homs.

Except they are not. If you believe they are, it should be pretty easy to breakdown how they fit into that category.

You could maybe make an argument on the tampons comment, but if you actually understood ad hominems, you would see pretty quickly how it wouldn't qualify.

Aww, right. I bet it had nothing to do with the Oweh/Pope thread and comments.

 

[DudahUK]

Problem is…so far I’ve seen you regularly engage in ad hominem fallacies. You state you appreciate them…I certainly would say that checks out.

Just page one of your insults….










If you have good arguments to make and are skilled at communicating them, informal fallacies like ad hom shouldn’t be needed. I enjoy a good debate myself — and I must admit, there have been a few times I got it handed to me. Some of those times, I became emotional in my responses and lashed out with personal attacks rather than focusing on intellectually debunking my interlocutor. We have all done it — it seems to be a dominant card for some though.

My dawg idiot ain’t no idiot. Don’t let him fool you. He’s got receipts son.

 

[DudahUK]

Except they are not. If you believe they are, it should be pretty easy to breakdown how they fit into that category.

You could maybe make an argument on the tampons comment, but if you actually understood ad hominems, you would see pretty quickly how it wouldn't qualify.

Aww, right. I bet it had nothing to do with the Oweh/Pope thread and comments.

Judging your name, you are attorney. What is your take on all of this? Excuse me if you already stated it.

 

[Im The Village Idiot]

My dawg idiot ain’t no idiot. Don’t let him fool you. He’s got receipts son.

Well, I beg to differ. I’ve certainly earned the moniker. Thanks though man

 

[DudahUK]

Well, I beg to differ. I’ve certainly earned the moniker. Thanks though

It takes a village. Lmao.

 

[Cattorney]

Judging your name, you are attorney. What is your take on all of this? Excuse me if you already stated it.

I am a prosecutor, so this really isn't my field. However, the SEC and NCAA are not the same entity, but rather individual entities under the system. The SEC also isn't stating he can't have a 5th year or that players can't. They are invoking a bylaw of their conference that stipulates its procedures, and they are relying on the fact that at least at this point he didn't abide by them.

Now, some may argue he should be exempt from that rule because he did not know or have reason to anticipate the new rule. However, it appears other athletes/agents did enter the portal in hopes of getting, so it should be asked why he didn't.

Ultimately, it could go either way, but it will likely be up to whether the SEC agrees to relax their rule, at least as it applies to this year/situation.

 

[DudahUK]

I am a prosecutor, so this really isn't my field. However, the SEC and NCAA are not the same entity, but rather individual entities under the system. The SEC also isn't stating he can't have a 5th year or that players can't. They are invoking a bylaw of their conference that stipulates its procedures, and they are relying on the fact that at least at this point he didn't abide by them.

Now, some may argue he should be exempt from that rule because he did not know or have reason to anticipate the new rule. However, it appears other athletes/agents did enter the portal in hopes of getting, so it should be asked why he didn't.

Ultimately, it could go either way, but it will likely be up to whether the SEC agrees to relax their rule, at least as it applies to this year/situation.

That makes sense but as the old saying goes, if your friend jumps off a bridge, are you going to do it too? IMO, he didn’t enter the portal because he thought he was out of eligibility. Just because some others did doesn’t mean a thing to me.

 

[Cattorney]

That makes sense but as the old saying goes, if your friend jumps off a bridge, are you going to do it too? IMO, he didn’t enter the portal because he thought he was out of eligibility. Just because some others did doesn’t mean a thing to me.

That won't really apply here though. The courts will look at what a resonable person would do in the situation. And if there were others players who did, then it is objectively is a reasonable thing to do.

Also, what means something to you is irrelevant unless you're the judge.

 

[DudahUK]

That won't really apply here though. The courts will look at what a resonable person would do in the situation. And if there were others players who did, the it objectively is a reasonable thing to do.

Also, what means something to you is irrelevant unless you're the judge.

I’m fully aware a judge doesn’t care what my opinion is. And a reasonable person would assume since the NCAA said they were out of eligibility, they would assume that to be true and not waste their time getting into the portal.

I’m just a peon who knows nothing so who cares right?

 

[theBlues]

I’m fully aware a judge doesn’t care what my opinion is. And a reasonable person would assume since the NCAA said they were out of eligibility, they would assume that to be true and not waste their time getting into the portal.

I’m just a peon who knows nothing so who cares right?

I do; I enjoy your posts.

 

[DudahUK]

I do; I enjoy your posts.

Muchas gracias mi amigo.

I probably butchered that lol.

 

[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

Pope's already had 2 years here and like 9 elsewhere.

He has never won **** and isn't going to miraculously start now.

We have some good players but not a good team. We filled holes with what we could get and got lucky on some late circumstances and still having money available. There is a reason we still aren't projected as a top 10 pre season team at this point.

This team will be another horrible defensive team and will be out matched physically often. Their hope is to run up the score and pray the other team isn't making as many shots.

Pope will fail, and the hopefully this AD can go and land a real coach.

You are a shallow thinker with no comprehension of context or nuance.

 

[Cattorney]

I’m fully aware a judge doesn’t care what my opinion is. And a reasonable person would assume since the NCAA said they were out of eligibility, they would assume that to be true and not waste their time getting into the portal.

I’m just a peon who knows nothing so who cares right?

But that easily contradicted by the fact several did enter in anticipation of being granted eligibility via some other avenue. It's not like the fact a change was being considered was top-secret. It's been talked about for a while now.

The truth is he planned to go professional, it didn't work out, he saw and opportunity to come back to college and took it. I have no issue with the approach, but the current court ruling regarding the 2022 class being eligibile in certain places won't have much bearing on the SEC bylaws. They don't prevent him from being eligible. They just prevent him from transferring to another SEC school. Will be interesting.

You are a shallow thinker with no comprehension of context or nuance.

Lulz, I definitely cannot match this brilliance.

 

[DudahUK]

But that easily contradicted by the fact several did enter in anticipation of being granted eligibility via some other avenue. It's not like the fact a change was being considered was top-secret. It's been talked about for a while now.

The truth is he planned to go professional, it didn't work out, he saw and opportunity to come back to college and took it. I have no issue with the approach, but the current court ruling regarding the 2022 class being eligibile in certain places won't have much bearing on the SEC bylaws. They don't prevent him from being eligible. They just prevent him from transferring to another SEC school. Will be interesting.

Lulz, I definitely cannot match this brilliance.

Apparently a Texas judge just said hold my beer SEC. And just because of a few did it, doesn’t mean he should have, like I said, he had no eligibility at that time. I don’t see a court going against that.

 

[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

But that easily contradicted by the fact several did enter in anticipation of being granted eligibility via some other avenue. It's not like the fact a change was being considered was top-secret. It's been talked about for a while now.

The truth is he planned to go professional, it didn't work out, he saw and opportunity to come back to college and took it. I have no issue with the approach, but the current court ruling regarding the 2022 class being eligibile in certain places won't have much bearing on the SEC bylaws. They don't prevent him from being eligible. They just prevent him from transferring to another SEC school. Will be interesting.

Lulz, I definitely cannot match this brilliance.

I have noticed over the years that attorneys tend to be some of the most arrogant and shallow thinking posters on here. Your assessment of Pope's career was dimwitted. You either have very little knowledge of the reality of his situations and accomplishments or your judgement abilities are severely lacking.

I have gone to great lengths many times on here in demonstrating that many very successful coaches had not done anymore than Pope has at similar points in their careers. I have never tried to guarantee or even predict that he will go on to great accomplishments but I have certainly established that trying to use his record to this point as proof that he can't is dead wrong.

 

[Cattorney]

I have noticed over the years that attorneys tend to be some of the most arrogant and shallow thinking posters on here. Your assessment of Pope's career was dimwitted. You either have very little knowledge of the reality of his situations and accomplishments or your judgement abilities are severely lacking.

I have gone to great lengths many times on here in demonstrating that many very successful coaches had not done anymore than Pope has at similar points in their careers. I have never tried to guarantee or even predict that he will go on to great accomplishments but I have certainly established that trying to use his record to this point as proof that he can't is dead wrong.

Lol, and those attempts were easily refuted. Pope has literally accomplished nothing as a head coach, nor will he. He just isn't a good coach.

Sorry that upsets you.