I just saw on the ESPN scroll that a Cleveland Browns player . . .

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who is going to be released has an agreement with LSU to play there now. So there you have it: players who have played for NFL teams now are going back to play for colleges. Just incredible, but it really isn’t.
 
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He was never making the team...this is a one year thing because of 5 to play 5 rule...its an improvement long term even if one year is messy. We already had guys that had NBA contracts go back to school. This is far less worse...the NCAA predictably just didn't think ahead or realize the fallout due to their poor timing.

No one has to like it...but we knew this would happen when the announcement was made. One recruiting class was omitted. Huge red flag.

Also, to clarify he never played in a game...was already cut by Philly and hasn't practiced in weeks.
 

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Sounds like fake news. I follow the Browns to some degree and have not seen or heard anything about this.
 

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Sounds like fake news. I follow the Browns to some degree and have not seen or heard anything about this.
It's Dae'Quan Wright...probably someone about 99.9% of college football and NFL fans have never heard of...and likely never will again.
 

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who is going to be released has an agreement with LSU to play there now. So there you have it: players who have played for NFL teams now are going back to play for colleges. Just incredible, but it really isn’t.
Absolutely ridiculous!!!!
 
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Well, and going from a team he has no chance of making, to a team where he'll make an impact.
Seriously...people are acting like Mendoza went back to Indy. This is a guy that doesn't have an NFL future. He went undrafted and has already been cut by Philly. He's never played a snap in a preseason game. He's a body for camp. Had the rule when applied timely by the NCAA he'd either be at Ole Miss or would have portaled. This isn't Bowers going back to Georgia.
 

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who is going to be released has an agreement with LSU to play there now. So there you have it: players who have played for NFL teams now are going back to play for colleges. Just incredible, but it really isn’t.
He probably had an epiphany that he would like to complete his masters degree….. in football.
 

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Seriously...people are acting like Mendoza went back to Indy. This is a guy that doesn't have an NFL future. He went undrafted and has already been cut by Philly. He's never played a snap in a preseason game. He's a body for camp. Had the rule when applied timely by the NCAA he'd either be at Ole Miss or would have portaled. This isn't Bowers going back to Georgia.
That may be so in this case, but there's almost no doubt now that Pandora's Box has been opened and this is going to become a growing phenomenon. Thus, you're now going to have an increasing numbr of players who have played for NFL teams and earned a NFL paycheck who are going to force their way back into college football.
 
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"Prollegiate football"
Bob, I am stealing that and taking credit for it! 🤣
Slowly but surely, college football now is becoming a minor pro alternative to the NFL, especially for borderline NFL players. I heard this past weekend that Carson Beck took a major paycut by ending his college career and being drafted into the NFL.
 

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Slowly but surely, college football now is becoming a minor pro alternative to the NFL, especially for borderline NFL players. I heard this past weekend that Carson Beck took a major paycut by ending his college career and being drafted into the NFL.
Ask any player from the 1950's through now from Oklahoma, Texas, SMU or the entire SEC - they all took a pay cut to play in the NFL.
 

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That may be so in this case, but there's almost no doubt now that Pandora's Box has been opened and this is going to become a growing phenomenon. Thus, you're now going to have an increasing numbr of players who have played for NFL teams and earned a NFL paycheck who are going to force their way back into college football.
Nothing has been opened--this is a single year that is impacted. This has been explained repeatedly. The COVID players weren't impacted. Those currently enrolled aren't impacted. I understand people hate what NIL has done but the 5 for 5 rule is a good thing and the NCAA erred (per usual) excluding 1 class

This isn't a big deal. Had the NCAA done this timely there wouldn't have been an issue. He wasn't going to be earning a paycheck at the end of next week anyway

I don't get the angst here--it comes across as people just want to complain to complain. Trent Hendrick (and others) went through the legal system and no ruling was issued but he was granted a temporary restraining order against the NCAA. Now he's at ULCA despite going through a minicamp. That's not on him.

I'm fine with bashing the NCAA (in fact, I support it) but the issue isn't the players going back to school--it's that they handle this timely allowing them to make a decision.
 

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Nothing has been opened--this is a single year that is impacted. This has been explained repeatedly. The COVID players weren't impacted. Those currently enrolled aren't impacted. I understand people hate what NIL has done but the 5 for 5 rule is a good thing and the NCAA erred (per usual) excluding 1 class

This isn't a big deal. Had the NCAA done this timely there wouldn't have been an issue. He wasn't going to be earning a paycheck at the end of next week anyway

I don't get the angst here--it comes across as people just want to complain to complain. Trent Hendrick (and others) went through the legal system and no ruling was issued but he was granted a temporary restraining order against the NCAA. Now he's at ULCA despite going through a minicamp. That's not on him.

I'm fine with bashing the NCAA (in fact, I support it) but the issue isn't the players going back to school--it's that they handle this timely allowing them to make a decision.
I'll humbly agree to disagree; once you sign a professional contract you give up your "student athlete" status as you've made the choice to take the next step in your career.
 

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I'll humbly agree to disagree; once you sign a professional contract you give up your "student athlete" status as you've made the choice to take the next step in your career.
They didn't have a choice at the time. You get that, right?
Hence the court ruled as it did
The NCAA did what they do best..
Being frustrated at the situation is fine...to each their own...but it's only an issue for a year because of the timing of it. It's truly not a big deal.
 

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They didn't have a choice at the time. You get that, right?
Hence the court ruled as it did
The NCAA did what they do best..
Being frustrated at the situation is fine...to each their own...but it's only an issue for a year because of the timing of it. It's truly not a big deal.
They did have a choice, to pursue a professional career or find a job in their chosen field. Boo Hoo their college careers had "ended" only to find a bleeding heart court ruling give them another year. That being said, as I stated before IMHO, they signed a professional contract and forfeited their amateur status at that point. I'm not frustrated, as "amateur athletics" is a farce.
 
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They did have a choice, to pursue a professional career or find a job in their chosen field. Boo Boo their college careers had "ended" only to find a bleeding heart court ruling give them another year. That being said, as I stated before IMHO, they signed a professional contract and forfeited their amateur status at that point. I'm not frustrated, as "amateur athletics" is a farce.
Will it get to the point where a good college player can either go to the NFL or stay employed by college team(s)? Classes not required. Football will then function as 2 parallel leagues like the AFL and NFL did before they merged.
 
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Will it get to the point where a good college player can either go to the NFL or stay employed by college team(s)? Classes not required. Football will then function as 2 parallel leagues like the AFL and NFL did before they merged.
I think that we're headed that way, and there's no doubt in my mind that that will happen through judge shopping.
 

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They did have a choice, to pursue a professional career or find a job in their chosen field. Boo Hoo their college careers had "ended" only to find a bleeding heart court ruling give them another year. That being said, as I stated before IMHO, they signed a professional contract and forfeited their amateur status at that point. I'm not frustrated, as "amateur athletics" is a farce.
So, you admit they didn't have the option to return to school and despite the judges ruling shouldn't continue to play college ball. That's adorable.
The pro contract means nothing. We learned that last year with MBB.
As I stated above...this is just people complaining to complain and acting like some legit NFL player just returned to school. Sad.
 

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I think that we're headed that way, and there's no doubt in my mind that that will happen through judge shopping.
You've all lost your minds.
The only reason this happened was one class was excluded from the 5 by 5 rule
Never let the truth vet in the way of nonsense.
 

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So, you admit they didn't have the option to return to school and despite the judges ruling shouldn't continue to play college ball. That's adorable.
The pro contract means nothing. We learned that last year with MBB.
As I stated above...this is just people complaining to complain and acting like some legit NFL player just returned to school. Sad.
They had options and chose to pursue a professional career, which I've stated in this thread several times-neither reading or comprehension are your strong points. Again, as I started, once they signed a professional contract their amateur status should have been forfeited, IMHO. If you need me to break it down further I'll try and use one syllable words so you might be able to understand it. I've never once complained, only stated what I thought-evidently anyone that doesn't agree with your flawed point of view is a complainer.
 

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You've all lost your minds.
The only reason this happened was one class was excluded from the 5 by 5 rule
Never let the truth vet in the way of nonsense.
Yes, but my expectation is that it's going to expand. Let's face it, a lot of people who play college football have no employable skills other than playing football because they simply could care less about attending classes and getting a degree. Therefore, many of those players are going to look for any opening to continue their athletic careers in college if they are borderline NFL players so that they can continue to make money by playing a sport. As we've seen, the dynamics of being a college athlete have changed completely from even five years ago, and judges are continuing to create openings for former college athletes to continue their careers.

This is the scenario that I see happening: a borderline NFL player who gets cut will enroll in some phony baloney grad program and then bring a suit under the premise that he should be allowed to play for as many years as he attends grad school despite having exhausted his undergrad eligibility. This could give said player at least three to four additional years of eligibility, if not more. There's no doubt in my mind that this is eventually going to happen, and released NFL players who have no or very little employable skills would be stupid not to try this.
 
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Yes, but my expectation is that it's going to expand. Let's face it, a lot of people who play college football have no employable skills other than playing football because they simply could care less about attending classes and getting a degree. Therefore, many of those players are going to look for any opening to continue their athletic careers in college if they are borderline NFL players so that they can continue to make money by playing a sport. As we've seen, the dynamics of being a college athlete have changed completely from even five years ago, and judges are continuing to create openings for former college athletes to continue their careers.

This is the scenario that I see happening: a borderline NFL player who gets cut will enroll in some phony baloney grad program and then bring a suit under the premise that he should be allowed to play for as many years as he attends grad school despite having exhausted his undergrad eligibility. This could give said player at least three to four additional years of eligibility, if not more. There's no doubt in my mind that this is eventually going to happen, and released NFL players who have no or very little employable skills would be stupid not to try this.
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Yes, but my expectation is that it's going to expand. Let's face it, a lot of people who play college football have no employable skills other than playing football because they simply could care less about attending classes and getting a degree. Therefore, many of those players are going to look for any opening to continue their athletic careers in college if they are borderline NFL players so that they can continue to make money by playing a sport. As we've seen, the dynamics of being a college athlete have changed completely from even five years ago, and judges are continuing to create openings for former college athletes to continue their careers.

This is the scenario that I see happening: a borderline NFL player who gets cut will enroll in some phony baloney grad program and then bring a suit under the premise that he should be allowed to play for as many years as he attends grad school despite having exhausted his undergrad eligibility. This could give said player at least three to four additional years of eligibility, if not more. There's no doubt in my mind that this is eventually going to happen, and released NFL players who have no or very little employable skills would be stupid not to try this.
I’m not a lawyer but if Person A wants to pay Person B for services rendered, under what statues can this be prohibited? Absent a Collective Bargaining Agreement, it’s every man for himself. If I’m wrong I’m agreeable to being corrected, but denying a person the means to make a living, well, that never goes over well, is my recollection. “That’s the way it’s always been” is rarely a legitimate legal defense. Definitely someone will challenge the NCAA’s Five-for-five rule.
 

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They had options and chose to pursue a professional career, which I've stated in this thread several times-neither reading or comprehension are your strong points. Again, as I started, once they signed a professional contract their amateur status should have been forfeited, IMHO. If you need me to break it down further I'll try and use one syllable words so you might be able to understand it. I've never once complained, only stated what I thought-evidently anyone that doesn't agree with your flawed point of view is a complainer.
Again, the courts ruled they had another year of eligibility AFTER they were forced to make that decision
Your inability to comprehend that isn't my problem
All you're doing is bitching.
 

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Yes, but my expectation is that it's going to expand. Let's face it, a lot of people who play college football have no employable skills other than playing football because they simply could care less about attending classes and getting a degree. Therefore, many of those players are going to look for any opening to continue their athletic careers in college if they are borderline NFL players so that they can continue to make money by playing a sport. As we've seen, the dynamics of being a college athlete have changed completely from even five years ago, and judges are continuing to create openings for former college athletes to continue their careers.

This is the scenario that I see happening: a borderline NFL player who gets cut will enroll in some phony baloney grad program and then bring a suit under the premise that he should be allowed to play for as many years as he attends grad school despite having exhausted his undergrad eligibility. This could give said player at least three to four additional years of eligibility, if not more. There's no doubt in my mind that this is eventually going to happen, and released NFL players who have no or very little employable skills would be stupid not to try this.
I don't see that happening at all but I'll play. If college football is for "students" then why would you have an issue with anyone enrolled playing.? This has been the case for decades--countless players, including at Penn State, are here to play football and the education aspect is just a requirement to do so. If they're enrolled in grad school, why not play football while doing so? And why would you care if they do if it plays out this way?

Stressing this--I don't this the above scenario happening. The 5 by 5 rule is very specific--the error was excluding an entire group of players without any legal reason. They're the NCAA and screwed up because that's what they do best.

At the end of the day, this situation isn't a problem as of today. The group returning should have been given that opportunity before having to make a decision. Anything could be an issue eventually. Hell, if we all would have just supported players being played as far back as the 80s we wouldn't have NIL in this manner but hindsight is 20/20.
 

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Again, the courts ruled they had another year of eligibility AFTER they were forced to make that decision
Your inability to comprehend that isn't my problem
All you're doing is bitching.
Lets try this again, simpleton-they weren't forced to do anything, they made a choice. My stance was\is\will be once you sign a professional contract you give up your amateur status. I'm not bitching at all, just stating my point of view. Your inability to comprehend what I said is where the problem lies, Copernicus.
 
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