I always like the "both sides" kind of posts that solely list complaints about one side. Completely believable.
But I do agree, there are lots of nuts around. Some clown was on this board saying men could get pregnant a few weeks back.
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I always like the "both sides" kind of posts that solely list complaints about one side. Completely believable.
But I do agree, there are lots of nuts around. Some clown was on this board saying men could get pregnant a few weeks back.
Abolish ice? Abolish prisons? Abolish the senate and the electoral college?
This is the type of insanity we are going to get because mainstream Dems wont pay attention to anything more than the D in front of the candidates name.
I get people are frustrated with affordability, but there is no sense in burning the house down because you dont like the carpet.
It should motivate voting! Immigration enforcement, prosecution and deportation would fix most of our economic, fraud, criminal and election system issues.
it's an issue but it doesn't motivate my voting and from various polls, it's pretty far down on the list now.
and there is no way in hell I could ever vote for anyone Donald Trump told me to vote for. I didn't listen to nonsensical Joe Biden and I sure don't listen to nonsensical Trump who I consider to be a serial liar.
His party tells him what issues are important to him. None of what you said matters as much to him as men getting pregnant.
If people think crime is bad now, just wait if Ray Dalio's prediction, on Friday, of a U.S. sovereign debt crises coming in the next 2 or 3 years, happens. We "ain't" seen nothing yet.
It will be interesting to see if Graham wins on Tuesday. Trump endorsed her. Him coming to South Carolina to campaign for her tells me they see something in the polls that say she will win. Sure does surprise me as I did not see her winning.
Same here. I lean left but, as examples, I supported Christie in 2023, voted for Reagan twice, voted for Romney and supported John Kasich (America really missed out on him; what a shame).
On Wednesday, Secretary of the Treasury Scott Bessent said the Treasury Department would increase by at least double the size of buybacks for longer-dated securities. The impact was short-lived when US 30-year bonds erased gains the following day. After Bessent's action, Trump said,, "We have many types of intervention. The ultimate intervention is our military. And if we have to use that, we will".
What exactly is Trump referring to? Sounds like "buy bonds or get bombed". But, honestly, who the hell knows?
Oh yes - affordability. Don’t forget the Democratic sham “Inflation Reduction Act” was a lie from day one. Should have been called the “Inflation Production Act,” as inflation reached what, 9% at one point under Biden/Harris? Sure gas prices are up because of Iran but were around $2 a gallon in Trump’s 1st term. When he started his 2nd term all we ever heard about was how much a dozen eggs cost. We don’t hear about eggs anymore. Beef prices maybe in addition to gas.
First one looks like an analogy to investing all your money in AI stocks.You vote based on polling???
So, who is the actual threat to Democracy? All you have to do is listen to what a Dim is accusing the other side of doing and you know what those loons are up to.
Every interview with Trump when he first took office focused on the price of eggs. Eggs were high because about 40% of the laying hens in America had been killed due to bird flu. Once the flock returned to its normal size, the price of eggs returned to where they had been. Of course, the media never uttered a word about egg prices after that.
Beef prices are high because of a shortage of beef cattle in the US right now due to drought and feed shortages. None of Trump's policies have anything to do with beef prices, but the media would have you believe he is personally setting the price of beef.
Gas is high because of Trump's attack on Iran. Everyone has to decide if cheaper gas in the short term is worth Iran having a nuclear weapon and being able to hold the entire region hostage from now on. Iran has also stated numerous times that, if they have a nuclear weapon, they will destroy Israel with it. Is cheaper gas worth seeing millions of Israelis AND Palestinians killed? If Trump hadn't done anything about Iran having a nuclear weapon, no one else would have. All presidents since GWB have talked about stopping Iran from having nuclear weapons, but not one of them had really done anything to stop them.
I think the tariffs were a bad idea and they did contribute to inflation, but inflation under Trump this term has only been around 2.9%. This is another fact the media conveniently ignores. The fact the US public has been dumbed down so much in the last 50 years by public education is the only reason any of these fallacious inflation stories are believed by so many people.
I heard John Kasich talking to Dan Abrams today on a Sirius radio show. They were talking politics, the federal courts, and even some political history back to the late 1970s.
Sure was nice to hear an intelligent, respectful, good faith discussion without insults and crazy accusations being lobbed.
I think Kasich has a Sunday afternoon Sirius show now.
I heard Trump refer to the military when he was asked about bonds. I don't think anyone had any idea what he was talking about, including him. Very odd statement.
No. I didn't say I voted based on polls. How did you misread that?You vote based on polling???
I said the issue didn't motivate my voting and from reading polls, it's pretty far down on the list of concerns for most people.
Oh, I do too. But I have voted for Republicans and Independents. But I hate political party nonsense so I try hard (fail often) not to pay attention to the party garbage.
I detest any politician (or person) that follows another politician around like a damn dog with his/her nose stuck up their ***.
You and I have discussed this before. There are people who SAY these types of things, and then there are people who actually mean it. In this case, i think youre the only one who actually means it.
I've read enough to judge the other one as lip service only.
I was reading an article today at lunch about the Trump administration's efforts to manipulate the free market with a whole host of government interventions.
This was not about his move to manipulate beef prices which has angered cattle ranchers and midwest farmers. The article's focus was some Trump administration tactics used in Trump's first term to intervene in the free market to funnel money to cotton producers in a losing battle to try to recreate the textile industry across the southern united states.
It's been a losing effort overall but the article was discussing the free market interventions that Trump and Republicans have went along with while decrying socialism on cable news and radio talk shows but embracing it fully themselves in numerous ways.
I read an awesome article one time about aliens controlling our government. It was cool. It made me think Trump is an alien.
I'm also on the Seeking Alpha "Political Comments" site. I subscribe to a couple of investment pay sites through them. I think the Political Comments section is open only to pay subscribers (not real sure about that, though). I posted the following comment at 3:13 about an hour ago: "RIP former Senator Nancy Kassebaum Baker (R-Kansas). The country needs more like you who are willing to work across the aisle and compromise to solve this nation's problems". Three people checked that they liked my comment. I recognized all 3 as having the same political leanings as me. But, I'm telling you that there are a lot more people on that site who have the same political leaning as me. I am somewhat surprised that not more liked my comment. Maybe by the end of the day there will be. So, in a round about way, I'm agreeing with what you say. That disappoints me.
The Trump administration has taken equity stakes in 30 companies including Intel and U.S. Steel.
Sorry I vote with Flock. Catching criminals, helps find people with Amber alerts, etc. Sorry to tell you but with cell phones, electronic everything I`m sure the government - and China(can you say TikTok?) has plenty of information about us. I`m more concerned about catching criminals than worrying about info that is likely already accessible. And the opposition to data centers is pretty ridiculous imo. Would I want one next to me? Probably not. Do I want China to take the lead in AI - hell no. They are already catching up. Too much water? Do some research and you will see that water for cattle, power plants, residential use, golf courses exceeds that of data centers. Yes cut deals, don`t give a blank check. If you agree with anything Kathy Hochul, Bernie Sanders, et al want you must be reading a bunch of BS about them or are just ill-informed. They said nuclear plants were too risky, AOC ran an Amazon facility(much $, many jobs) out of her district, etc. Construction of data centers creates many jobs, i.e. construction, electrical, plumbing, etc. Taxes are now actually going down where they are successful and property values are increasing - again maybe not if you`re right by one. The left`s propaganda is such because they don`t want America - and capitalism - to be successful. I`m not a businessman just have heard/read others opinions that I believe over the naysayers, who are mostly against everything else that would benefit America. Don`t listen to me - listen to Kevin O`Leary and others. The Governor of West Virginia just laid out some parameters that new ones would need to go by but while still wanting to attract them to his state - that sounded like a very reasonable compromise. These moratoriums are just going to hold the country back while China has another reason to smile. They are likely responsible for some of the propaganda/exaggerations concerning them.
That's pretty incredible. I just looked it up and they are looking at more opportunities for the government to get involved. This won't be rolled back- and you'll see more and more of this going forward.
What's odd is this is the same approach as Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders would propose. But Trump has done it and it's pretty much silence from the "socialism is evil" crowd.
It's amazing how many police officers and officials have already been caught abusing the cameras - and that's just the ones we know about that get caught. No doubt this is happening all the time and will continue to happen.
Oconee County's County Council just voted to approve making them illegal on public property in the county as well as to withhold funds from any town in the county that approves them. It passed 4-1, and has one more reading before becoming law.
“The question isn’t whether or not Flock can help solve crime. It can,” said Councilman Thomas James. “The question is what limits should be on the government’s ability to use it.”
I actually agree with the councilman. If "solving crime" is the end all be all, the county might as well put up cameras facing your home or on your street so they can monitor homes- to prevent crime of course.
Of course, now there are all these products popping up that block the cameras from being able to get an accurate read on a license plate, including sprays that go on clear but have blocking properties.
The water issue and comparing them to golf courses is a bit misplaced - and it's odd to keep seeing people online and certain officials mention it. That's not the issue. The issue with many of the data centers and water/electric is many of them are being built and proposed in smaller communities that do NOT have the water infrastructure or supply and that is what is most concerning to these communities. Many of these communities don't have a golf course nearby either- and don't want one. This doesn't even include the noise issues that residents have complained about.
O'Leary has repeatedly stepped into doo doo with his comments and outrageous projections about his data center in Utah. He's already had to apologize for his comments after angering Republicans and Democrats in the Utah legislature, not to mention the residents he's infuriated.
Despite what you wrote, the people rising up in these communities to oppose data centers aren't a bunch of San Francisco and Manhattan residents. They are working people, mostly lower middle class people who live in rural areas. That's why, again - despite what you posted- so many Republicans and Democrat politicians across the country have been opposed to many of these projects and a number of them are running ads against them now.
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Yes I realize that and that`s one of the reasons I brought up data centers. Some of the same people that are protesting them would go bat **** crazy if someone would take there AI away from them. And I`m not saying the Flock cameras can`t be misused but it looks like if anyone does misuse them they are likely to be found out. I think staying ahead - if we still are - or not falling behind to China(hopefully) in AI is important for national security
Another long winded post with no substance. I think you get paid by the word to troll here.
There is no right to privacy ina public space. Change that first before crying about cameras in public spaces.
Maybe- but my guess is the people that rely on AI the most aren't many of these more rural people who are having to see these data centers pop up near them and their homes- or they are concerned they will be popping up.
I don't see this issue as one where people are divided by political party. I see a big mix of people on all sides (and no side) being concerned about this issue.
Oconee County isn't liberal South Carolina, It's a conservative area of the state represented 100% by republicans at the state level and they are voting on banning the cameras outright from public property.
The problem with the FLock cameras is they are discovering people that have been abusing the things ever since they were installed in some of these communities. They are ripe for abuse.
I know of no one personally who doesn't understand that police can follow someone in a patrol car and check their tag or even catch them on a car mounted camera. But that's different than a camera that is constantly watching- with no officer anywhere nearby- maybe not even within 10 miles- a camera that can also film people on private property.
I know where one is near the town I live in. It's right across the street from 3 houses and they've all raised hell about it. The cameras could easily be used to watch them on their own property. I can't blame them for being upset.
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Truthfully I was not aware. So, I have to rely on AI. This is what it answered:
No other U.S. President has taken equity stakes in companies to the extent that Donald Trump has. Trump's approach marks a significant departure from traditional U.S. policy. Trump's actions is at a level of intervention unprecedented in U.S. history. It's a radical break from previous administrations, which typically avoided direct ownership in private enterprises. The Trump administration equity portfolio includes significant stakes in major companies, indicating a new industrial policy direction. The administration has continued to explore new equity opportunities, such as potential investments in companies like Lithium Americas.
I think Trump's use of purported "national emergency" is also a concern. He's touting many things as national emergencies (although not really when he's taking equity stakes in private companies).
it's a precedent setting approach that future presidents will most certainly follow with all sorts of things and will cite Trump as the precedent.
Recall the words of his spokesperson in 2025 - "I think you've seen the president gets involved in a lot of things that most presidents have not," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said.
That's an absolutely stunning statement from a republican administration. That would have caused Republican party rebellion even 12 years ago if any republican official suggested that a president should be expanding the federal government's role in matters. But it's a "ho-hum" comment now.
That's precedent setting too.
I've already seen democrat operatives say the next Democrat president, should that happen in 2028, will likely fire every republican official in the entire government on inauguration day because Trump has spent his entire 2nd term working to get anyone not loyal to him out of government, even going to court to remove previously non political employees. Trump has fought a lot of these battles in court- and won. But it has taken him time- often well over a year.
The next Democrat will not have to wait thanks to Trump. They can fire every republican appointee or employee they find friendly to republicans on the very first day- and I fully expect them to do so citing the Trump precedent.
We will definitely see the next Democrat president push things much further left than maybe any President we've seen in 80-90 years since FDR. The crazy thing is- it will be thanks to Donald Trump and those that went along with him that are responsible for it.
The first sentence is the big one, imo. There are some people, and even one in this thread, that think these actions are a big "gotcha" against Trump.
Id be willing to wager those people are puppeting their talking points from sources that know this is not new, but also know few will actually bother to check.
I admit, I had to look it up myself, like you. But Im glad I did, and wish others bothered to do the same.
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@gamecockstock, I give you yet another example of someone thinking Trump is doing something that hasn't ever been done before. Equity stakes are not new, and now "legal precedent" was apparently just invented during this current administration too.
Also note that he's "comcermed" over actions that Trump has taken and have been backed up by the courts. Suddenly having legal backing is now a bad thing?
I think some people's political attention span never gets past the P in Trump. Or they are literally too young to remember any president before him. Or they are just partisan hacks.
In this case, take your pick.
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This is what I found via research
Obama the TARP program. But this was temporary and the money was paid back to the treasury, with interest and the program was shut down in 2014. The US Treasury recouped the costs of the program and logged a $15.3 billion dollar surplus.
TARP was passed by Congress through the Economic Stabilization bill passed in 2008. Obama didn't invent it or issue executive orders to create it (unlike Trump).
TARP also had 3 Congressionally created oversight boards to provide reports and oversight of the program- including authorizing an independent Inspector General to oversee the program. (There are no such oversight boards for the Trump administration private equity stake procurements)
George Bush also used TARP to help some banks.
Reagan, in 1987, helped a semi conductor company - SEMATECH- to compete with a Japanese tech firm out of concerns related to being able to compete in tech with Japan. But Reagan did not propose and did not allow the government to take any equity stake in the private company.
and
The Papa Bush administration created the Resolution Trust Corporation to manage and liquidate failed savings and loan associations, but did not take equity in any private companies
Some of the firms Trump has issued orders on to take equity stakes include: Intel, MP Materials, U.S. Steel, Westinghouse, Lithium Americas, Trilogy Metals, Korea Zinc JV, Atlantic Alumina
Congress has not authorized any.
This story is sort of what I was talking about- it's rural and lower class people having to deal with data centers- much more so than many others
A Kentucky mother and daughter turned down a life-changing offer for their farmland. The ensuing drama has left the town divided.
Delsia Bare and her mother, Ida Huddleston, are unlikely Silicon Valley adversaries.Bare, 54 years old, is God-fearing and transgressive, often in the same breath, with domestic trouble in her past. Diabetes has left her nearly blind. She calls cows to breakfast with a holler, extemporizes on the Bible in full paragraphs and keeps a collection of high-vibration crystals. Her mother is an 83-year-old churchgoing widow who walks with a cane.
“One of us is blind and the other’s cripple,” said Huddleston.
Their homestead in Kentucky fed the family during the Great Depression and supplied the timber to build the main home. When they got an offer for $26.48 million for their farmland, they at first agreed.
Then they discovered what the farmland would be used for: a 2.2-gigawatt hyperscale data center. That information turned their answer into an easy one.
No.
The AI company’s offers valued their acreage at nearly 10 times what they could expect to fetch on the open market, but that shrivels against this personal mathematical formulation: Delsia Bare values her land more than anything else on Earth.
“What I believe in is something called Jesus Christ, and he said to occupy, wherever you’re standing, you occupy until he returns,” she said. “If I step off of this piece of property and it becomes something for an AI hub, then I have failed to occupy and I can be held accountable for that on the Judgment hour.”
The ‘Country Hicks’ Who Refused $26 Million from an AI Data Center - WSJ
So, after complaining about it, you're starting to figure out its been done before. Keep looking, you didn't even find all of it.
(And on a side note, "Obama and TARP?" LMOA. Great detective skills there!)
I heard Trump also appointed a Supreme Court judge when there was a vacancy. I sure hope the Democrats dont figure out that precedent, and try to do that too!
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