Louisiana court order gives players signed by NFL teams a shot at returning to college sports

[QChawks]

What’s Nate Stanley doing these days?

 

[squeezebox_1]

Ok, thanks Bill Polian

Pro Football Focus (PFF) grades and advanced data are officially subscribed to and utilized by a vast majority of NFL front offices for pro scouting, free agency, and draft preparation. Teams use PFF's college data—including PFF Player Grades—to evaluate player performance on a snap-by-snap basis, track advanced metrics like Wins Above Average (WAA), and supplement their internal scouting boards.

I'll be clear about this, advanced metrics are certainly utilized, but as I have shown you about scout grades for Graves didn't hav much to do with his metrics, and much more to do with physical constraints. Someone like Leonard Moore would be a great reference here.

 

[nu2u]

So pff grades have no influence whatsoever on where a player gets drafted ? Lol

Quit while your behind lol.

 

[85Bears]

I'll be clear about this, advanced metrics are certainly utilized, but as I have shown you about scout grades for Graves didn't hav much to do with his metrics, and much more to do with physical constraints. Someone like Leonard Moore would be a great reference here.

No you cherry picked his pff grade, he obviously had a lot of players ranked ahead of him and could improve his draft slot.
You then claimed nfl teams don’t use pff grades in scouting which is absurd. You then changed the subject to KF wouldn’t go for it anyway.

Fact is replacing Luke Gaffney with Graves could be the difference in going 7-5 and having a shot at the playoffs. it makes sense for Graves and Iowa for him to come back. Graves got slotted with a team deep at d line and he will be relegated to the practice squad. Hes got nothing to,lose and everything to gain.

 

[squeezebox_1]

No you cherry picked his pff grade, he obviously had a lot of players ranked ahead of him and could improve his draft slot.
You then claimed nfl teams don’t use pff grades in scouting which is absurd. You then changed the subject to KF wouldn’t go for it anyway.

Fact is replacing Luke Gaffney with Graves could be the difference in going 7-5 and having a shot at the playoffs. it makes sense for Graves and Iowa for him to come back. Graves got slotted with a team deep at d line and he will be relegated to the practice squad. Hes got nothing to,lose and everything to gain.

I never made that claim, I stated "PFF grades do not equate to draft slots, where do you get this from?" I am legit getting bored of the idiocracy and steam rolling this non-sense. I cherry picked his pass defense, which is correct. With that said, he would be a great contributor to this team, had this happened 6 months ago, we are weeks away from the season, the roster needs cut, NIL money isn't there, and Kirk wouldn't be for it. I will finalize this by saying, that there is zero chance he would work his way into the top 4 rounds of this next draft given the depth at the position. Now, go ahead and follow that up with whatever non-sense you want to, I won't be responding any more.

 

[HawksRule73]

No offense to Graves, or any poster on here arguing for improved draft stock, more money for him, etc. I couldn't give a **** if it helps him with the NFL or not. What I do know is the Hawks are 1 DT short of being a serious playoff contender and I think Graves could help vault us there. So yeah, we'd be stupid not to.

There's no one who's on the team who is going to be shorted a spot that they "earned" at this point. Hubert and Gaffney are walk ons. Fitzgibbons and Kennedy are still young.

 

[85Bears]

I never made that claim, I stated "PFF grades do not equate to draft slots, where do you get this from?" I am legit getting bored of the idiocracy and steam rolling this non-sense. I cherry picked his pass defense, which is correct. With that said, he would be a great contributor to this team, had this happened 6 months ago, we are weeks away from the season, the roster needs cut, NIL money isn't there, and Kirk wouldn't be for it. I will finalize this by saying, that there is zero chance he would work his way into the top 4 rounds of this next draft given the depth at the position. Now, go ahead and follow that up with whatever non-sense you want to, I won't be responding any more.

Sounds good , your arguments make no sense for graves or Iowa. i Agree it probably won’t happen, but 16 other players and programs are doing this. I have no idea why anyone would be against Graves returning.

 

[Heathen Raider]

I honestly don't think Kirk would do that.

With the WR leaving Iowa has a roster spot and You think Kirk would not improve an area of the Team that at best is unproven with a Guy who has 26 starts and played in 52 career games? That is gross incompetence not to bring Him back if He wants to and it is legal

 

[oldxbbc]

https://apnews.com/article/ncaa-lawsuit-nfl-players-return-ed1a06804ffb3fdb5d87ecd0a5aef526

Notable Class of 22 Players:

Aaron Graves
Xavier Nwampka
TJ Hall

Would like to see any of the 3 return, but it probably won't happen. Probably won't is being optomistic.

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

Would like to see any of the 3 return, but it probably won't happen. Probably won't is being optomistic.

I’m pretty sure they will all make the roster or practice squads of their respective NFL teams. But if any of them don’t, Iowa has an open spot because of Terrence Smith enrolling at Iowa Western. It would seem dumb not to bring them back imo.

 

[squeezebox_1]

I’m pretty sure they will all make the roster or practice squads of their respective NFL teams. But if any of them don’t, Iowa has an open spot because of Terrence Smith enrolling at Iowa Western. It would seem dumb not to bring them back imo.

They also don't have any open roster spots, they need to get down to 105 from 111.

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

I honestly don't think Kirk would do that.

I could see that if he had to cut someone to bring Graves back, but they have a scholarship spot open due to Terrence Smith enrolling at Iowa Western.

Also, Iowa can be over that 105 player limit:

Grandfathered "Designated Student-Athletes": To prevent active players from being abruptly cut when the rule passed, the NCAA Board of Directors adopted a grandfather clause. Any player who was already on a roster—or promised a spot—prior to April 2025 does not count against the 105-man limit for the remainder of their college eligibility.

 

[squeezebox_1]

I could see that if he had to cut someone to bring Graves back, but they have a scholarship spot open due to Terrence Smith enrolling at Iowa Western.

Also, Iowa can be over that 105 player limit:

Grandfathered "Designated Student-Athletes": To prevent active players from being abruptly cut when the rule passed, the NCAA Board of Directors adopted a grandfather clause. Any player who was already on a roster—or promised a spot—prior to April 2025 does not count against the 105-man limit for the remainder of their college eligibility.

I stand corrected, that bill is about as clear as mud

 

[GoHawks2009]

Kid leaves college, still has eligibility, takes a shot at the pros, doesn't make it. Not sure why this is a problem if he goes back to college?

Yes, sure. This is the only way this rule will be used...............................

 

[GoHawks2009]

https://apnews.com/article/ncaa-lawsuit-nfl-players-return-ed1a06804ffb3fdb5d87ecd0a5aef526

Notable Class of 22 Players:

Aaron Graves
Xavier Nwampka
TJ Hall

Shonn Greene, come back! We need you!!!

 

[BigOHawk1]

Shonn Greene, come back! We need you!!!

X is definitely making an NFL roster based on his fall camp. Be it with the Chiefs or another team, I think the Bears will be looking for a SS as well.

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

Yes, sure. This is the only way this rule will be used...............................

If this holds players at the top of the draft may decide they didn’t like who drafted them, and go back.

If they go through camp and then resign, I actually think they would enter next season as a free agent. Meaning they could theoretically bypass the draft to sign with whoever. This opens up a whole can of worms.

 

[Hawk_4shur]

I don't really understand this ruling.

The NCAA is a private organization and makes rules. Some rules may be bad or discriminatory, but I don't think determining eligibility is either one of those.

So, the NCAA says you can't come back. A court overrules them. Why?

The athletes were given a choice - stay or go. They decided to go. It didn't work out. That's how things work in this world, right?

If I have a job with Company A, and I decide to accept an offer from Company B (both private companies). I find out I don't like Company B, or they reneged on a promise, or whatever. Can I have my old job back?

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

I don't really understand this ruling.

The NCAA is a private organization and makes rules. Some rules may be bad or discriminatory, but I don't think determining eligibility is either one of those.

So, the NCAA says you can't come back. A court overrules them. Why?

The athletes were given a choice - stay or go. They decided to go. It didn't work out. That's how things work in this world, right?

If I have a job with Company A, and I decide to accept an offer from Company B (both private companies). I find out I don't like Company B, or they reneged on a promise, or whatever. Can I have my old job back?

This case specifically is because they switched to 5 for 5 this offseason. They elected not to extend that to last years players, so the argument is that this is unfair. The 3 players I listed played as true freshman, and never had a 5th year where they redshirted, so they’re losing a year.

The 5 for 5 announcement occurred after the draft so they didn’t have time to make an informed decision about going pro or not.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

No offense to Graves, or any poster on here arguing for improved draft stock, more money for him, etc. I couldn't give a **** if it helps him with the NFL or not. What I do know is the Hawks are 1 DT short of being a serious playoff contender and I think Graves could help vault us there. So yeah, we'd be stupid not to.

There's no one who's on the team who is going to be shorted a spot that they "earned" at this point. Hubert and Gaffney are walk ons. Fitzgibbons and Kennedy are still young.

That doesn't answer the question about whether there would be a spot on the 105 man roster , nor if there is any substantial money available (two weeks from the season),as posters are saying he'd get paid more. I find it HIGHLY unlikely there is cash not yet allocated that would be more than what he'd get on his current pro contract. For the record, Hubert I believe played a decent amount of snaps last season, so I'd leave it up to coach Bell whether he's "earned" those snaps.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

I don't really understand this ruling.

The NCAA is a private organization and makes rules. Some rules may be bad or discriminatory, but I don't think determining eligibility is either one of those.

So, the NCAA says you can't come back. A court overrules them. Why?

The athletes were given a choice - stay or go. They decided to go. It didn't work out. That's how things work in this world, right?

If I have a job with Company A, and I decide to accept an offer from Company B (both private companies). I find out I don't like Company B, or they reneged on a promise, or whatever. Can I have my old job back?

Just another case of the courts and their over reach were seeing daily right now. They have no business being involved in this, and frankly neither does congress

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

its a good think you aren’t his agent. why not take the nil money this year and improve his prospects for next year ?

How do you know there's any "NIL" (which this is not), money left? We're two weeks from kickoff, and you don't think, (you certainly don't know), that maybe they've already allocated the available funds to those players on the roster?

 

[85Bears]

How do you know there's any "NIL" (which this is not), money left? We're two weeks from kickoff, and you don't think, (you certainly don't know), that maybe they've already allocated the available funds to those players on the roster?

How do you know there isn’t.

 

[Passing Is For COMMIES]

How do you know there's any "NIL" (which this is not), money left? We're two weeks from kickoff, and you don't think, (you certainly don't know), that maybe they've already allocated the available funds to those players on the roster?

In 2025 the Iowa AD produced $182.3 million in revenue. I think they will have a bit of cash to move around.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

How do you know there isn’t.

I don't. Nor am I speculating that he'd make way more coming back then he is on his current contract, as you are.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

In 2025 the Iowa AD produced $182.3 million in revenue. I think they will have a bit of cash to move around.

Which they generally spend pretty much all of every year which they are required to do.

 

[85Bears]

I don't. Nor am I speculating that he'd make way more coming back then he is on his current contract, as you are.

look up current nil avg for DT in the Big then compare to his ravens salary. Ridiculous

 

[Iron Doc]

No dog in this fight, but can this thread hit 10 pages?

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

look up current nil avg for DT in the Big then compare to his ravens salary. Ridiculous

Again, that has nothing to do with it. Neither of us has ANY idea 1) if Iowa has MORE money left to pay someone with the roster already being set, then his current contract. 2). If Graves would even have any interest in returning to Iowa, or would rather take his shot with them ravens OR possibly be picked up by another team later in the year.

 

[Gonzo_Bloor]

This **** just gets stupider by the day.

 

[HMB Trumpet]

I don't really understand this ruling.

The NCAA is a private organization and makes rules. Some rules may be bad or discriminatory, but I don't think determining eligibility is either one of those.

So, the NCAA says you can't come back. A court overrules them. Why?

The athletes were given a choice - stay or go. They decided to go. It didn't work out. That's how things work in this world, right?

If I have a job with Company A, and I decide to accept an offer from Company B (both private companies). I find out I don't like Company B, or they reneged on a promise, or whatever. Can I have my old job back?

In your scenario, you can go back to your old job if Company A wants you back and hasn't filled your slot. It happens sometimes. Bobby Cremins went back to coach basketball at Georgia Tech after a few days at South Carolina.

The court ruling now allows it to happen in college football. For better or worse.

 

[iahawkeyes17]

You know it’s bad when even the SEC commissioner Greg sankey said allowing this is wrong

 

[85Bears]

Jess Settles got eight seasons to play, I don’t have a problem with it

 

[HMB Trumpet]

Jess Settles got eight seasons to play, I don’t have a problem with it

I think it was six. Regardless, Jess never left for the pros.

It’s a solid argument, though, that if they never played a professional game they could return if they haven’t already exhausted their eligibility.

 

[uihawk82]

I don't think it's hyperbole to say we might be one high end DT away from being a serious playoff contender. If Graves doesn't make the Ravens, and wants to come back, you take him in a heartbeat....assuming there's available NIL $ to pay him.

He has a kid now so the chance to make a few 100 thousand in NIL etc is important to him.

 

[85Bears]

He has a kid now so the chance to make a few 100 thousand in NIL etc is important to him.

On other Iowa message boards and Twitter, there is a lot of discussion of graves returning I’ve seen over the past couple of days.

Im not sure why a couple of people get all bent out of shape about this even being discussed ? After what was done to Noah Shannon, we are owed a year of play for a D lineman.

 

[uihawk82]

On other Iowa message boards and Twitter, there is a lot of discussion of graves returning I’ve seen over the past couple of days.

Im not sure why a couple of people get all bent out of shape about this even being discussed ? After what was done to Noah Shannon, we are owed a year of play for a D lineman.

And dont forget Drew Ott who was majorly screwed over by the NCAA after he had two major injuries in one year with not being granted a med hardship extra year. At the same time and since Ott we have seen some football players have 7-8 years to play, who was the Utah QB and Miami player who are grandfathers while while playing D1 football!!!!

 

[uihawk82]

On other Iowa message boards and Twitter, there is a lot of discussion of graves returning I’ve seen over the past couple of days.

Im not sure why a couple of people get all bent out of shape about this even being discussed ? After what was done to Noah Shannon, we are owed a year of play for a D lineman.

That player is Cameron Rising, who spent seven seasons as a college quarterback for the Utah Utes. [1, 2]

Career Highlights

• • Duration: Played seven college seasons (2018–2024).
  • Achievements: Led Utah to two Pac-12 Championships and two Rose Bowl appearances.
  • Retirement: Announced his medical retirement in May 2025 due to a lingering throwing-hand injury. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]

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[85Bears]

And dont forget Drew Ott who was majorly screwed over by the NCAA after he had two major injuries in one year with not being granted a med hardship extra year. At the same time and since Ott we have seen some football players have 7-8 years to play, who was the Utah QB and Miami player who are grandfathers while while playing D1 football!!!!

It’s actually a one time thing grandfathering in 2022 players to get a 5 for 5. They selectively removed Noah Shannon in the most unfair way possible. This would be completely fair For Graves and Iowa. I think it depends on whether he makes the Ravens roster or not. It would be hilarious if he joins the team just in time for Iowa State.

 

[DuddyB]

I’m going to laugh at this thread when he ends up playing for Gonzaga.