UC-Berkeley math prof says she has to teach fractions to calculus students because standards have fallen so far

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Calculus was a 4 day a week class at 8am freshman year. It was during about my 60th hour with the TA she asked why the hell I was even taking that class. Business majors need a math credit, not calculus.

Busted my *** to get a B and dont remember a damn thing from it.

What kind of backward institution did you attend? Business majors needed to pass calc at PSU.
 

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What kind of backward institution did you attend? Business majors needed to pass calc at PSU.
I beginning to doubt you ever went to a 4 year university.


No dipshit.


Smeal College of Business majors, the actual "calculus" requirement is flexible. The general entrance-to-major math requirement is usually satisfied by MATH 21 or higher, though students aiming for a Smeal major are advised to work toward MATH 110 (Techniques of Calculus), which is a business-oriented calculus course rather than the more rigorous MATH 140.
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The one clear exception is the Actuarial Science major, which requires students to complete MATH 140 and MATH 141 (the full Calculus I and II sequence) with a grade of "C" or better.
Psu

So the short answer:

Most business majors (Management, Marketing, Finance, Accounting, etc.): need some level of math to enter the major, typically satisfied by MATH 110 (a business calculus course), not the full engineering/science calculus sequence.
Actuarial Science: needs the real MATH 140/141 calculus sequence.
Requirements can also vary slightly by campus — for example, Berks lists options like MATH 21, 22, 26, 41, 110, or 140, and Brandywine's associate program requires Math 22 or higher.
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I beginning to doubt you ever went to a 4 year university.


No dipshit.


Smeal College of Business majors, the actual "calculus" requirement is flexible. The general entrance-to-major math requirement is usually satisfied by MATH 21 or higher, though students aiming for a Smeal major are advised to work toward MATH 110 (Techniques of Calculus), which is a business-oriented calculus course rather than the more rigorous MATH 140.
Penn State

The one clear exception is the Actuarial Science major, which requires students to complete MATH 140 and MATH 141 (the full Calculus I and II sequence) with a grade of "C" or better.
Psu

So the short answer:

Most business majors (Management, Marketing, Finance, Accounting, etc.): need some level of math to enter the major, typically satisfied by MATH 110 (a business calculus course), not the full engineering/science calculus sequence.
Actuarial Science: needs the real MATH 140/141 calculus sequence.
Requirements can also vary slightly by campus — for example, Berks lists options like MATH 21, 22, 26, 41, 110, or 140, and Brandywine's associate program requires Math 22 or higher.
psu

"I beginning"? You English real good-like.

So, yeah, like I said, we had to take calc at PSU. I didn't graduate yesterday, sparkles.
 

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"I beginning"? You English real good-like.

So, yeah, like I said, we had to take calc at PSU. I didn't graduate yesterday, sparkles.
No ya didnt. But hey, nobody expects the truth from you.


Across every version of the requirement I could find, **MATH 110 ("Techniques of Calculus I," i.e. business calculus) has always been an accepted substitute for MATH 140 (the "real" engineering/science calculus)** for a Penn State business degree. I didn't find any era where a general business major (Management, Marketing, Finance, etc., as opposed to Actuarial Science) was forced into true calculus.

Here's the timeline of what I could verify:

- **Prior to Summer 2017 catalog:** the entrance-to-major calculus requirement was listed as "Calculus (MATH 110 or MATH 140)" — MATH 110 explicitly listed first/as the standard option.
- **2011–2012 Recommended Academic Plans (Brandywine campus, and similarly at other campuses):** "Math 110 or Math 140 [2](GQ) Calculus I," with note "[2] MATH 110 or 140 required for graduation requirements. MATH 22 or higher required for Entrance-To-Major requirements."
- **2017–18, 2018–19 catalogs:** same pattern — "Calculus (MATH 110 or MATH 140)" required, no distinction for non-actuarial majors.
- **2022–23, 2024–25, and current (2025–26/2026–27) catalogs:** unchanged — Management B.S. requires "(MATH 110 or MATH 140) and (SCM 200 or STAT 200)", and only Actuarial Science students are specifically required to take MATH 140 and MATH 141 instead.
- The course itself, MATH 110, is explicitly built and marketed as "Business Calculus," a course "critical" for "any business, financial, or economics professional," using calculus techniques applied to business/economics rather than proof-based math — it's a distinct, lighter-weight course from MATH 140/141.

One honest caveat: freely searchable Penn State bulletins online reliably go back to roughly the early 2010s, and scattered references (course numbering, minor descriptions) suggest this MATH 110/140 split existed well before that too, but I couldn't pull a digitized bulletin from, say, the 1980s or 90s to confirm the exact course numbers that far back. If you want, I could try to track down Penn State's archived paper/PDF bulletins (they're sometimes in university archives or HathiTrust) to push the verification further back than ~2011.

Eat $h1t pederass.
 
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No ya didnt. But hey, nobody expects the truth from you.


Across every version of the requirement I could find, **MATH 110 ("Techniques of Calculus I," i.e. business calculus) has always been an accepted substitute for MATH 140 (the "real" engineering/science calculus)** for a Penn State business degree. I didn't find any era where a general business major (Management, Marketing, Finance, etc., as opposed to Actuarial Science) was forced into true calculus.

Here's the timeline of what I could verify:

- **Prior to Summer 2017 catalog:** the entrance-to-major calculus requirement was listed as "Calculus (MATH 110 or MATH 140)" — MATH 110 explicitly listed first/as the standard option.
- **2011–2012 Recommended Academic Plans (Brandywine campus, and similarly at other campuses):** "Math 110 or Math 140 [2](GQ) Calculus I," with note "[2] MATH 110 or 140 required for graduation requirements. MATH 22 or higher required for Entrance-To-Major requirements."
- **2017–18, 2018–19 catalogs:** same pattern — "Calculus (MATH 110 or MATH 140)" required, no distinction for non-actuarial majors.
- **2022–23, 2024–25, and current (2025–26/2026–27) catalogs:** unchanged — Management B.S. requires "(MATH 110 or MATH 140) and (SCM 200 or STAT 200)", and only Actuarial Science students are specifically required to take MATH 140 and MATH 141 instead.
- The course itself, MATH 110, is explicitly built and marketed as "Business Calculus," a course "critical" for "any business, financial, or economics professional," using calculus techniques applied to business/economics rather than proof-based math — it's a distinct, lighter-weight course from MATH 140/141.

One honest caveat: freely searchable Penn State bulletins online reliably go back to roughly the early 2010s, and scattered references (course numbering, minor descriptions) suggest this MATH 110/140 split existed well before that too, but I couldn't pull a digitized bulletin from, say, the 1980s or 90s to confirm the exact course numbers that far back. If you want, I could try to track down Penn State's archived paper/PDF bulletins (they're sometimes in university archives or HathiTrust) to push the verification further back than ~2011.

Eat $h1t pederass.

You literally just posted something that read "prior to summer 2017 ..." and then it listed 2 separate calc courses as satisfying the requirement. Granted, 2017 is way after my time ... but I know I had to take calc to graduate from Smeal. Because I took it. And I wouldn't have taken it if it wasn't a requirement. Easy A, though. Like all of undergrad. Psst ... Math 110 is calc.
 

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You literally just posted something that read "prior to summer 2017 ..." and then it listed 2 separate calc courses as satisfying the requirement. Granted, 2017 is way after my time ... but I know I had to take calc to graduate from Smeal. Because I took it. And I wouldn't have taken it if it wasn't a requirement. Easy A, though. Like all of undergrad. Psst ... Math 110 is calc.
Read it again, you likely took math 110, just like every other university on the planet. Real calculus (140), like I took, was an engineering class.

*** or the very few business majors who got actuarial science degrees.


Math 110 is "techniques of calculus" not "calculus". Didnt you say you were a lawyer? And you are having a hard time differentiating this?


Sucks to suck dude, you keep doing dumb ****, im going to keep rubbing your nose in it. Side question: How much of you being an insufferable little b1tch has to do with your time with Sandusky in the showers? Those A's probably fell into place at about the same rate you fell to your knees in front of him.
 
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Read it again, you likely took math 110, just like every other university on the planet. Real calculus (140), like I took, was an engineering class.

*** or the very few business majors who got actuarial science degrees.


Math 110 is "techniques of calculus" not "calculus". Didnt you say you were a lawyer? And you are having a hard time differentiating this?


Sucks to suck dude, you keep doing dumb ****, im going to keep rubbing your nose in it. Side question: How much of you being an sufferable little b1tch has to do with your time with Sandusky in the showers? Those A's probably fell into place at about the same rate you fell to your knees in front of him.

Smeal grads needed to take calc. I took calc. Math 110 is calc. “But it’s not real calc.” It’s calc. Pull up your zipper, mental patient, your little man syndrome is (not) showing. And tell the authorities where you buried the bodies.
 

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Smeal grads needed to take calc. I took calc. Math 110 is calc. “But it’s not real calc.” It’s calc. Pull up your zipper, mental patient, your little man syndrome is (not) showing. And tell the authorities where you buried the bodies.
No they dont, they need a math credit, and if I had to guess you are not actually a lawyer you took something like a "foundations of the juris doctorate" class with your small dick level of thinking. Math 140 is "calculus", You took Math 110, If you even attended a University.


Way to show your @SS sped class.
 
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No they dont, they need a math credit, and if I had to guess you are not actually a lawyer you took something like a "foundations of the juris doctorate" class with your small dick level of thinking. Math 140 is "calculus", You took Math 110, If you even attended a University.


Way to show your @SS sped class.

Well, you finally accidentally got something correct ... but it's not what you think, and it's because, again, you're an absolute buffoon who messes everything up.

I'm not a lawyer. Never said I am a lawyer. I was a lawyer, you walking, talking mistake. The wife is still a lawyer. I own and run an alt asset investment firm (think: hedge funds) now. This was explained before. But your drug/psychosis-addled brain couldn't process it.

And, yes, Math 110 is calc. And, yes, you are still wrong about that. And, no, you'll never be man enough to admit your mistake. In fact, I bet you mistakenly enrolled in the calc class for engineers, and rather than admit you made a mistake, you stayed in it, just so you didn't have to say you effed up.

Just like you bury the bodies, so you don't have to be confronted with what you've done when you "come to."
 

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Well, you finally accidentally got something correct ... but it's not what you think, and it's because, again, you're an absolute buffoon who messes everything up.

I'm not a lawyer. Never said I am a lawyer. I was a lawyer, you walking, talking mistake. The wife is still a lawyer. I own and run an alt asset investment firm (think: hedge funds) now. This was explained before. But your drug/psychosis-addled brain couldn't process it.

And, yes, Math 110 is calc. And, yes, you are still wrong about that. And, no, you'll never be man enough to admit your mistake. In fact, I bet you mistakenly enrolled in the calc class for engineers, and rather than admit you made a mistake, you stayed in it, just so you didn't have to say you effed up.

Just like you bury the bodies, so you don't have to be confronted with what you've done when you "come to."
Haha, smooth move on acting like it is I who made the mistake Sandusky.

No, its not.


Just like "concepts of a plan" is not a plan. In real calculus you have to know the concepts day 1. I took the equivalent of a "concepts of calculus" class in high school.



Jesus dude is there anything you have NOT lied about?
 
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Haha, smooth move on acting like it is I who made the mistake Sandusky.

No, its not.


Just like "concepts of a plan" is not a plan. In real calculus you have to know the concepts day 1. I took the equivalent of a "concepts of calculus" class in high school.



Jesus dude is there anything you have NOT lied about?
I feel like you found your very own Gibbs.
 

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Haha, smooth move on acting like it is I who made the mistake Sandusky.

No, its not.


Just like "concepts of a plan" is not a plan. In real calculus you have to know the concepts day 1. I took the equivalent of a "concepts of calculus" class in high school.



Jesus dude is there anything you have NOT lied about?

Atta boy ... stick to the fact that you MEANT to trip over the sidewalk. Someone might believe you one day. Psst ... you had to take pre-calc, or test out of it ... to take the calc I was required to take in Smeal. Because it was calc.

Sounds like you might have been a very recent college grad, given that you're referencing today's requirements and course offerings, and then going "way back" to 2017. Is that your story? You were a total mess of an individual ... battling drugs/psychosis/stupidity for years and years ... hence your story about you having to "bet on yourself" and overcome life crapping all over you ... and you finally got yourself "together" decades later? And that's why you're stuck, now, trying to collect data you saw on an invoice, like an entry-level grunt, and thinking that's a big deal?
 
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Atta boy ... stick to the fact that you MEANT to trip over the sidewalk. Someone might believe you one day. Psst ... you had to take pre-calc, or test out of it ... to take the calc I was required to take in Smeal. Because it was calc.

Sounds like you might have been a very recent college grad, given that you're referencing today's requirements and course offerings, and then going "way back" to 2017. Is that your story? You were a total mess of an individual ... battling drugs/psychosis/stupidity for years and years ... hence your story about you having to "bet on yourself" and overcome life crapping all over you ... and you finally got yourself "together" decades later? And that's why you're stuck, now, trying to collect data you saw on an invoice, like an entry-level grunt, and thinking that's a big deal?
Nope, thats just you being retarded.
 

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Nope, thats just you being retarded.
Hey unregulated emotions boy ... from the PSU site:

Students may only take one course for credit from MATH 110, 140, 140A, 140B, and 140H.

You know why they say this, and have this limitation? In cases when the courses are similar enough that taking one, and then taking the other would be considered duplicative. Because they're roughly the same topic of study at roughly the same level. They're all calc.

Glad to see I hit the nail on the head regarding your background, your struggles and where you're at in life now. Keep taking your meds (you may need to up the dosage, however ... you keep slipping), manage those emotional outbursts and keep heading forward, and one day you might be managing the people who have to pull data from invoices.
 

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Hey unregulated emotions boy ... from the PSU site:

Students may only take one course for credit from MATH 110, 140, 140A, 140B, and 140H.

You know why they say this, and have this limitation? In cases when the courses are similar enough that taking one, and then taking the other would be considered duplicative. Because they're roughly the same topic of study at roughly the same level. They're all calc.

Glad to see I hit the nail on the head regarding your background, your struggles and where you're at in life now. Keep taking your meds (you may need to up the dosage, however ... you keep slipping), manage those emotional outbursts and keep heading forward, and one day you might be managing the people who have to pull data from invoices.
No they aren't, and your understanding of how credits apply to a major again has me questioning if you did in fact ever attend a 4 year university.


To be a business major you need a math credit, that list of courses fulfills the Business major requirements, that in no way implies they are the same level of class thats what the number represents.


140= calculus

141 calc 2.

Did you actually go to school Sandusky?
 
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No they aren't, and your understanding of how credits apply to a major again has me questioning if you did in fact ever attend a 4 year university.


To be a business major you need a math credit, that list of courses fulfills the Business major requirements, that in no way implies they are the same level of class thats what the number represents.


140= calculus

141 calc 2.

Did you actually go to school Sandusky?

Nothing you just wrote has anything to do with anything being discussed.

141 has nothing to do with anything.

Again, Students may only take one course for credit from MATH 110, 140, 140A, 140B, and 140H.

They're all considered rough equivalents. Duplicative. And they're all calc. Once you take 110, if you decided you wanted to explore calc further, even though you were a business major, you can't do so by taking 140 (at least not for credit) ... why? Because they're considered roughly duplicative. It'd be "cheating" to, essentially, repeat a course. Is 110 tailored to biz majors? Sure. But it's still calc, sparkles.

You have to give it up, man ... this is what's holding you back. Pretty soon, you're going to have one of your emotional outbursts. And this is why you're stuck as a middle-aged/near-middle-aged man, stuck trying to figure out how to best collect data from an invoice to make your entry-level job easier, and enjoying the solace of being near nobody else, digging ditches ... so no one can set you off, and you don't have to think or hear the voices in your head while you're mindlessly digging.
 

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Nothing you just wrote has anything to do with anything being discussed.

141 has nothing to do with anything.

Again, Students may only take one course for credit from MATH 110, 140, 140A, 140B, and 140H.

They're all considered rough equivalents. Duplicative. And they're all calc. Once you take 110, if you decided you wanted to explore calc further, even though you were a business major, you can't do so by taking 140 (at least not for credit) ... why? Because they're considered roughly duplicative. It'd be "cheating" to, essentially, repeat a course. Is 110 tailored to biz majors? Sure. But it's still calc, sparkles.

You have to give it up, man ... this is what's holding you back. Pretty soon, you're going to have one of your emotional outbursts. And this is why you're stuck as a middle-aged/near-middle-aged man, stuck trying to figure out how to best collect data from an invoice to make your entry-level job easier, and enjoying the solace of being near nobody else, digging ditches ... so no one can set you off, and you don't have to think or hear the voices in your head while you're mindlessly digging.
Haha, you just cant help yourself can ya kiddy diddler?


You took "concepts of calculus" (110) which would have fulfilled my credits toward major. I took real calculus(140), which fulfills your major and is a much more difficult class than the "concepts of calculus".



Beyond me severely questioning your understanding of how credit hours work I now know why you are no longer a lawyer.



Its 'cuz your retarded isnt is?
 
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your retarded isnt is?

Atta boy. I bet you did the calc real good-like, didn't ya, boy? Yeah, you did! Yeah, you were a good calc'er! No, don't eat your own poop, boy. Stop licking that. Sit. Siiiiit. Jesus H. Christ, why doesn't this dog listen? I said sit!

Poor WDDT.

Why am I no longer a practicing tax attorney, specializing in biz org/reorg (M&A, etc.)? Because it got boring, I wanted to make use of my investment analysis capabilities and knowledge in a more dedicated, hands-on manner, and barely crossing the 7 figure threshold for gross income (at the time ... a similarly accomplished attorney, like my wife, would now being making mid to high 7 figures) seemed a waste of my talents. Glad it worked out. And glad it worked out for you, that you're now able to pull that data from invoices like a champ. You still getting pumped up for your big outing to "civilization" at the cheesy tourist trap casino in CT?
 
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Well, there is an explanation for college students at Berkeley failing to understand fractions.

SF high school where 94% flunk math has California’s highest Berkeley acceptance rate​


More damage the left inflicts on our society...... Lower standards makes kids smarter..... lmfao...

https://nypost.com/2026/08/18/us-ne...twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social

A San Francisco high school where students get top grades simply for showing up now has the highest acceptance rate in the state to the prestigious University of California, Berkeley — as critics blame rampant grade inflation and rock-bottom standards for a surge in ill-prepared college students who end up dropping out.

Mission High School had a 45% acceptance rate into the elite university, with 34 out of its 76 applicants gaining admission last fall, far ahead of the state average of 15%, according to data compiled by the San Francisco Chronicle.

But it’s not because of superior academics, critics say, but rather because of low standards and a lefty policy that eliminated SAT testing requirements in the University of California system, sending a flood of students who can barely do fractions into demanding courses like Calculus.

“In many required classes, attendance and basic completion could be enough to receive a grade that would ordinarily signal strong proficiency.”

Only 17% of Mission High’s 11th graders scored proficient or above in English, along with a shocking 6% in math on the 2025 state assessment exam, the lowest of any school in the San Francisco Unified School District — which averaged 59% and 43%, respectively.

“Grades were sometimes too easy to earn,” Levi Lum of Mission High told the San Francisco Standard.
 
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Atta boy.

Why am I no longer a practicing tax attorney, specializing in biz org/reorg (M&A, etc.)? Because it got boring, I wanted to make use of my investment analysis capabilities and knowledge in a more dedicated, hands-on manner, and barely crossing the 7 figure threshold for gross income (at the time ... a similarly accomplished attorney, like my wife, would now being making mid to high 7 figures) seemed a waste of my talents. Glad it worked out. And glad it worked out for you, that you're now able to pull that data from invoices like a champ. You still getting pumped up for your big outing to "civilization" at the cheesy tourist trap casino in CT?
Haha, you are trying so hard.
The fact your pretend to be in the M&A field and couldnt understand the value of being able to take a photo of multiple invoices that all bill under different codes but provide the same service while while pairing all the line items is not lost me.

You are a grown man, dont use partial quotes. If you want me to atleast pretend you are not an idiot, you are going to have to avoid doing retarded ****.
 

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Haha, you are trying so hard.
The fact your pretend to be in the M&A field and couldnt understand the value of being able to take a photo of multiple invoices that all bill under different codes but provide the same service while while pairing all the line items is not lost me.

You are a grown man, dont use partial quotes. If you want me to atleast pretend you are not an idiot, you are going to have to avoid doing retarded ****.

You aren't trying at all.

What does being a grown man have to do with highlighting your absolute idiocy, while trying to talk down to a superior? It's called relevancy, sport ... you otherwise added absolutely nothing, but I wanted to mock you for being retarded, while trying to claim someone else was retarded. It's how words work. You should try it. But the world needs ditch diggers, too.

No one commented on the "value" of your grunt work ... they just commented that it's low level grunt work. I'm sure your bosses are happy that you're more efficient in providing them with the information they need to do their jobs properly. Gold star, psychotic ditch digger.
 

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You aren't trying at all.

What does being a grown man have to do with highlighting your absolute idiocy, while trying to talk down to a superior? It's called relevancy, sport ... you otherwise added absolutely nothing, but I wanted to mock you for being retarded, while trying to claim someone else was retarded. It's how words work. You should try it. But the world needs ditch diggers, too.

No one commented on the "value" of your grunt work ... they just commented that it's low level grunt work. I'm sure your bosses are happy that you're more efficient in providing them with the information they need to do their jobs properly. Gold star, psychotic ditch digger.
Im telling you if you want me to treat you like a man, dont do little boy ****.

Not the value of the work Radio, the value of the tool.



Again, your ability to comprehend basic sentences has me severely questioning anything you have to say.
 

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