AI is nothing more than a text predictor.

[Towlie]

It's wrong repeatedly. When grilled on why it is so bad at giving correct info, it admits that it is nothing more than a text predictor that will act confident even when giving wrong info. It admits that you shouldn't take It's answers seriously and always fact check yourself if important. Anyone else grilled it? Intelligence shouldn't even be in It's name.

 

[Dadar]

Granted I am on the leading edge of obsolescence, but so far It just seems like Google on steroids to me.

 

[Dadar]

 

[Dadar]

How will AI affect tax revenues?

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

It’s surprisingly good at debugging computer programs, offering suggestions on coding, and incorporating some of our business details into the code it writes.

it’s a hell of a lot more than Google on steroids.

there is a reason computer grads are finding it more difficult to get their first job. AI is making current programs a lot more efficient.

it’s going to wipe out millions of jobs regardless of your opinion.

 

[fatpiggy]

It’s surprisingly good at debugging computer programs, offering suggestions on coding, and incorporating some of our business details into the code it writes.

it’s a hell of a lot more than Google on steroids.

there is a reason computer grads are finding it more difficult to get their first job. AI is making current programs a lot more efficient.

it’s going to wipe out millions of jobs regardless of your opinion.

Don't leave out the part that it will also create millions of jobs. So far, it is creating more than it is destroying despite what the news headlines may make you think.

 

[Meatball Sandwich]

It’s surprisingly good at debugging computer programs, offering suggestions on coding, and incorporating some of our business details into the code it writes.

it’s a hell of a lot more than Google on steroids.

there is a reason computer grads are finding it more difficult to get their first job. AI is making current programs a lot more efficient.

it’s going to wipe out millions of jobs regardless of your opinion.

I’ve yet to see any real world evidence that AI can code. The companies that use it for that purpose will incur more costs in the long run than they save in the short term

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

Don't leave out the part that it will also create millions of jobs. So far, it is creating more than it is destroying despite what the news headlines may make you think.

Not buying that one bit. It’s a joke to think we need people that “know AI”. That’s like saying we need people that know how to drink water.

 

[fatpiggy]

It's wrong repeatedly. When grilled on why it is so bad at giving correct info, it admits that it is nothing more than a text predictor that will act confident even when giving wrong info. It admits that you shouldn't take It's answers seriously and always fact check yourself if important. Anyone else grilled it? Intelligence shouldn't even be in It's name.

It is a bit like predictive text.

The way i understand it, tokens are put in a matrix which is solved or answered within a template.

So there is a template, and within that template the tokens are put in the right order according to how often they appear next to each other etc. Which is similar to how predictive text works.

Whatever it is, it's an incredible technology

 

[fatpiggy]

I’ve yet to see any real world evidence that AI can code. The companies that use it for that purpose will incur more costs in the long run than they save in the short term

What line of work are you in?

The software developers i knows say it is a game changer.

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

I’ve yet to see any real world evidence that AI can code. The companies that use it for that purpose will incur more costs in the long run than they save in the short term

We use it. My brother works for a company that uses it.

lot of people use it and don’t admit it because it makes them less valuable.

Stackoverflow was a site people use to go to for coding help. That sites traffic has dropped about 90% since chat gpt.

New grads finding it difficult to find first programming job. I guess some of you think it’s because everything has been written and not because of AI.

People use to save you need efficient code to make things run faster. We did that in the early 90’s to try and shave off 10% of a 7 hour night time processing. Then we would get a new mainframe and it would run the same code in 1/2 the time. We cut it in half each time we got new hardware. Same code was running on about 60 minutes up until Y2K when we replace the software.

super fast computers do more to speed up code then a building of geeks trying to optimize code.

 

[WDDT]

Towlie how much experience would you say you have with AI?

 

[nytigerfan]

It's wrong repeatedly. When grilled on why it is so bad at giving correct info, it admits that it is nothing more than a text predictor that will act confident even when giving wrong info. It admits that you shouldn't take It's answers seriously and always fact check yourself if important. Anyone else grilled it? Intelligence shouldn't even be in It's name.

It sounds like you are stuck in stage one of AI, prompting. Agentic is where the true value of AI lives. We use it in my business every day. It can do in minutes what it would take a human an hour to do. We have increased our productivity and improved our services, all at a minimal cost. Jobs will be affected. Why would you hire 10 humans when you can hire 1 human who knows how to use agentic AI to produce the same output?

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

Sure as hell isn’t going to do graphic designers any favors. Just ask AI to generate images and modify those images.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

I’ve yet to see any real world evidence that AI can code. The companies that use it for that purpose will incur more costs in the long run than they save in the short term

Really? I founded an agentic startup that absolutely writes production grade code. You write a prompt, it spins up a sandbox in the cloud. It codes a prototype, you give it some user feedback, it makes modifications and when you are satisfied in generates a production version.

AI is shockingly good at coding. Will it replace a highly skilled architect tomorrow? No. Can it replace a 28 year old software developer with a bachelors in computer science? Absolutely.

 

[Meatball Sandwich]

Anything for python will spit back a series of embedded returns and anything for more structured code like sql or sas will return a series of temp tables. It’s going to take years to un-eff what its users are doing, which will come because Murphy’s law applies in no other place like in code.

I guess you can cross your fingers and hope that the tech bros writing complex case statements behind the AI UI can solve for it, I guess

I’ll add that my line of work - banking analytics - is starting to bring in the big consulting firms to make the business case to stop wasting money on this crap.

 

[AFM22]

Sure as hell isn’t going to do graphic designers any favors. Just ask AI to generate images and modify those images.

It's certainly a useful tool now that it's a function of every industry standard program.

The one trap designers need to avoid is the people that oppose AI are much louder than the people that are indifferent about ai. So you are very likely to get called out and dragged through the mud on social media if you use AI as your focal design.

Just this week we had someone contact us about setting up a die template for a folder they made through ai. Then the designers couldn't figure out how to actually design what they made in AI. A good designer still needs to know how to design and people hiring designers in good design positions aren't going to be impressed with how well people write prompts.

 

[BroncHawk]

It’s surprisingly good at debugging computer programs, offering suggestions on coding, and incorporating some of our business details into the code it writes.

it’s a hell of a lot more than Google on steroids.

there is a reason computer grads are finding it more difficult to get their first job. AI is making current programs a lot more efficient.

it’s going to wipe out millions of jobs regardless of your opinion.

Okay it’s StackOverflow without the verbal abuse

 

[Moral]

Really? I founded an agentic startup that absolutely writes production grade code. You write a prompt, it spins up a sandbox in the cloud. It codes a prototype, you give it some user feedback, it makes modifications and when you are satisfied in generates a production version.

AI is shockingly good at coding. Will it replace a highly skilled architect tomorrow? No. Can it replace a 28 year old software developer with a bachelors in computer science? Absolutely.

This is something I wonder about. If the 28 year olds aren't able to get experience then what does the future look like for programmers?

 

[Rifler]

This is something I wonder about. If the 28 year olds aren't able to get experience then what does the future look like for programmers?

This will become a problem in many fields,.. AI displacing entry level position holders that then never get an opportunity to be trained up to become future drivers of the affected field.

 

[WDDT]

This is something I wonder about. If the 28 year olds aren't able to get experience then what does the future look like for programmers?

It will just turn into a race of who can use AI most effectively/efficiently. Less people capable of more production.









OP ill give you real world example im doing right now. I need to pull about 40 numbers off a 12 page invoice. The problem is some of those numbers are groups of sub-sections. None of our competitors use any of the same verbiage in their billing so dudes who have 15+ years of experience still have to get out a calculator and add line items. I took photos and will have all my answers in minutes. Now, Im going to double check my work but assuming it keeps getting it right ill skip that someday soon.

 

[DailyBuck7]

I think AI goes Way beyond text prediction. Last year my air conditioner was down in a very hot portion of the summer and I couldn't get my HVAC guy over to fix it. I asked chat GPT what the problem was and it said it was a capacitor and it was correct. It not only solved the problem but gave me temporary alternatives if I couldn't find the exact capacitor that was best for my air conditioner.

My son does film work for social media company and he has told me that Claude saves him a ton of time. One time I observed him dictating three sentences to Claude telling it to organize film work that he had done and he told me that it saved him about 4 hours and made him feel like god.

Also, one time Chat GPT confirmed that about 85% of Somalis in a particular program lied about their family relationships as shown by DNA. However, initially it said to be cautious with the results because the findings had not been confirmed by peer reviewed studies. I said that claiming that DNA need to be validated by peer review studies was ridiculous and Chat GPT eventually agreed.

To me, these interactions go away beyond text prediction.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

This is something I wonder about. If the 28 year olds aren't able to get experience then what does the future look like for programmers?

Yeah I think this is a big issue.

 

[Rifler]

I think AI goes Way beyond text prediction. Last year my air conditioner was down in a very hot portion of the summer and I couldn't get my HVAC guy over to fix it. I asked chat GPT what the problem was and it said it was a capacitor and it was correct. It not only solved the problem but gave me temporary alternatives if I couldn't find the exact capacitor that was best for my air conditioner.

My son does film work for social media company and he has told me that Claude saves him a ton of time. One time I observed him dictating three sentences to Claude telling it to organize film work that he had done and he told me that it saved him about 4 hours and made him feel like god.

Also, one time Chat GPT confirmed that about 85% of Somalis in a particular program lied about their family relationships as shown by DNA. However, initially it said to be cautious with the results because the findings had not been confirmed by peer reviewed studies. I said that claiming that DNA need to be validated by peer review studies was ridiculous and Chat GPT eventually agreed.

To me, these interactions go away beyond text prediction.

Regarding the AC situation,... A failed capacitor is the single most common cause of a non-operational AC unit,... Google would quickly tell you this as well, so in this case "text predictor" is probably accurate,... No comment on your other examples.

 

[Rahskie]

I’ve yet to see any real world evidence that AI can code. The companies that use it for that purpose will incur more costs in the long run than they save in the short term

HA, ask Hawkeye...his post about the Jogger App created with Agentic AI got me started on developing code with AI.
Since June 19th, I have generated over 50,000 lines of code and developed 3 apps with a combination of Copilot (Architect) and Cursor (with Claude) AI agents.

My ReaderPro app is live on the web with Desktop, Mobile and Tablet versions. It is only for me right now, but I plan on commercializing.
I also have a Survivorship App for my wife to use when I die (that is still in progress, but 90% complete)
I am also working on a Workout App that will allow you to build daily workouts using verbal inputs
All 3 use agentic AI and do things that no other app in the industry do.

So not only has it helped me code, it is allowing me to build things to help my personal situation that have ENORMOUS commercial implications.

I have built a webpage for my agentic AI company (My Business Web Page)when I retire in June of 2028.
My first revenue generating approach will be a two-hour paid for webinar to teach ANYONE how to do what I did. I plan on trying to launch this in the Fall.

Before I started with this approach I had ZERO and I mean ZERO development, web page or coding experience. Total costs ~$250 and that is mainly early Claude AI planning mode, which I have moved away from.

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

People denying AI remind me of the company president I worked for in the early 90’s.

he was keeping a list of the websites he DIDN’T want to go to when he eventually got the Internet.

that’s how out of touch with the coming wave some of you are.

 

[r_desihawk]

HA, ask Hawkeye...his post about the Jogger App created with Agentic AI got me started on developing code with AI.
Since June 19th, I have generated over 50,000 lines of code and developed 3 apps with a combination of Copilot (Architect) and Cursor (with Claude) AI agents.

My ReaderPro app is live on the web with Desktop, Mobile and Tablet versions. It is only for me right now, but I plan on commercializing.
I also have a Survivorship App for my wife to use when I die (that is still in progress, but 90% complete)
I am also working on a Workout App that will allow you to build daily workouts using verbal inputs
All 3 use agentic AI and do things that no other app in the industry do.

So not only has it helped me code, it is allowing me to build things to help my personal situation that have ENORMOUS commercial implications.

I have built a webpage for my agentic AI company (My Business Web Page)when I retire in June of 2028.
My first revenue generating approach will be a two-hour paid for webinar to teach ANYONE how to do what I did. I plan on trying to launch this in the Fall.

Before I started with this approach I had ZERO and I mean ZERO development, web page or coding experience. Total costs ~$250 and that is mainly early Claude AI planning mode, which I have moved away from.

this is a great business idea...i do believe there is great potential to hit the motherlode like a kiyosaki (rich dad poor dad) by offering avenues that promise to make other people rich via ai.

 

[r_desihawk]

there is value in ai for sure for individuals who know how to wield it. there is also 100% certainty that there's will be massive (and expensive) initiatives at the big firms to clean up or rewrite the garbage that ai (also very expensive) is rapidly deploying

 

[OnlyTheObscure]

there is value in ai for sure for individuals who know how to wield it. there is also 100% certainty that there's will be massive (and expensive) initiatives at the big firms to clean up or rewrite the garbage that ai (also very expensive) is rapidly deploying

I think in the short term yes.

long term AI will be so good that “ saying you know AI “ will be as laughable as trying to market yourself today as “ an expert on using the chrome browser “.

remember. Today is the worst version of AI, it improves everyday at an incredible rate.

 

[DailyBuck7]

Regarding the AC situation,... A failed capacitor is the single most common cause of a non-operational AC unit,... Google would quickly tell you this as well, so in this case "text predictor" is probably accurate,... No comment on your other examples.

I realize that Google could probably have found the same answer but it couldn't have given me the explanation of why certain capacitors would work and others would not and finding the right capacitor for me would have taken four or five hours because I had no idea what I was doing. Chat GPT gave me the right answer with explanation in two or three minutes

 

[PW Herman]

This is something I wonder about. If the 28 year olds aren't able to get experience then what does the future look like for programmers?

It will be whoever can have Claude spit out the code the quickest and most accurate. Just like IT guys used to Google issues they didn't know how to resolve (they still do). Claude is great for coding, terrible at graphics.

 

[PW Herman]

I realize that Google could probably have found the same answer but it couldn't have given me the explanation of why certain capacitors would work and others would not and finding the right capacitor for me would have taken four or five hours because I had no idea what I was doing. Chat GPT gave me the right answer with explanation in two or three minutes

That's fair, but as the OP states trust but verify. You never know how old the scrape is that is providing you the information. It could have changed from last time LLM updated itself to present day. But I agree with the other point, Gemini is nothing more than a Google Search on steroids.

 

[tigres88]

This is something I wonder about. If the 28 year olds aren't able to get experience then what does the future look like for programmers?

Yeah I think this is a big issue.

This is an issue, but people who want to be good/great devs need to know how coding works to utilize AI to code right now. You really can't build a company off AI Agents/vibe coding, unless the devs actually know how to code. AI can get you 80-90% there but that 10% is actually SUPER important.

It's like when I was in grad school and had to do a lot of translating, they taught us the language we were translating first (rather than using translation software), because learning how the language works will actually help you use the translation software better.

Same thing with coding- you have to know how to actually code before you can use AI to properly code for you, and then you still have to help it manually often.

 

[AFM22]

This is an issue, but people who want to be good/great devs need to know how coding works to utilize AI to code right now. You really can't build a company off AI Agents/vibe coding, unless the devs actually know how to code. AI can get you 80-90% there but that 10% is actually SUPER important.

It's like when I was in grad school and had to do a lot of translating, they taught us the language we were translating first (rather than using translation software), because learning how the language works will actually help you use the translation software better.

Same thing with coding- you have to know how to actually code before you can use AI to properly code for you, and then you still have to help it manually often.

Pretty much the same with graphic design. Cool, you wrote a prompt for a very detailed logo, but if you can't deliver it to the client in a packaged vector format, then what good does it do anyone?

 

[tigres88]

Pretty much the same with graphic design. Cool, you wrote a prompt for a very detailed logo, but if you can't deliver it to the client in a packaged vector format, then what good does it do anyone?

Yep, and ultimately no generative ai is ever going to be able to reproduce high level, nuanced work without human knowledge and intervention.

calculators have cut the need for math by hand, but the more complex and nuanced the math is, the more it’s necessary to either KNOW how the math works to utilize said calculators or they simply have to do the high level math manually anyway.

same with generative ai in just about every (high level) regard. Quantum computing/ai will probably be a different story but that’s still a ways away

 

[coldbud1994]

I use it all the time. Last significant use was for a grant request I was doing. The same grant had been awarded to previous businesses in the area and it found their successful submittals, and tailored mine towards theirs. It did deep research on recent studies, created tables and maps, kept a running track of deficiencies I needed to address in the submittal. It reviewed my final document against other successful submissions and suggested minor changes. Final doc was about 30 pages.

The most noticeable thing was I would keep ChatGPT (we have pro version) working on it while I was working on another project and would just check back to that tab and review it and ask questions and send it off to find answers, reformat, etc... while I went back to my other project. I always have it include sources and I go to those sources to verify and numbers, quotes, etc. Found a few issues so its not perfect, but it gets better everyday.

I worked off and on this grant for about 4 weeks. I absolutely see where it will take jobs. I was doing two jobs at once, efficiently.

Edit: its also great for creating excel spreadsheets with a few prompts. I hate formatting excel and don't do it frequently enough to remember how to do it each time. I do run the numbers by hand the first time to verify.

 

[coldbud1994]

This is something I wonder about. If the 28 year olds aren't able to get experience then what does the future look like for programmers?

The Catch 22. They want experienced workers but no gives the young people experience. The folks doing it now will eventually age out. It will be interesting

 

[Moogy]

It will just turn into a race of who can use AI most effectively/efficiently. Less people capable of more production.









OP ill give you real world example im doing right now. I need to pull about 40 numbers off a 12 page invoice. The problem is some of those numbers are groups of sub-sections. None of our competitors use any of the same verbiage in their billing so dudes who have 15+ years of experience still have to get out a calculator and add line items. I took photos and will have all my answers in minutes. Now, Im going to double check my work but assuming it keeps getting it right ill skip that someday soon.

So, as of now, it's replacing low-level grunt work ... for you.

 

[Rifler]

The Catch 22. They want experienced workers but no gives the young people experience. The folks doing it now will eventually age out. It will be interesting

I fear that the obvious solution will be an ever improving version of AI expanding into the upper management levels of numerous fields,...At some point humans will simply be unqualified to control things.

 

[WDDT]

So, as of now, it's replacing low-level grunt work ... for you.

Good to see your comprehension is up this morning.