For those who don’t agree with Leigh, here, please refute what she’s saying. How is she wrong? Why should Republican voters in California not matter. Why should Democrat voters in Alabama not matter?
Ending The Electoral College
- Thread starter Tom Paris
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Electoral college works because urban centers (blue) shouldn't have more power than rural voters (red).
It's DEI for Republican candidates so unfortunately it will never change
The system is not designed to make every individual vote equally pivotal in every election. It is designed to select a president through a federation of states while still weighting population.
It treats the states as the primary units of presidential selection rather than reducing the country to a single national popular vote. This preserves the idea that the United States is a union of states, not simply a unitary national democracy. States retain a distinct voice in choosing the executive who will enforce federal law within their borders.
it protects the federal character of the Union, the relative influence of smaller states, geographic breadth in presidential politics, and a degree of insulation from pure popular-majority outcomes concentrated in a few high-population areas.
It treats the states as the primary units of presidential selection rather than reducing the country to a single national popular vote. This preserves the idea that the United States is a union of states, not simply a unitary national democracy. States retain a distinct voice in choosing the executive who will enforce federal law within their borders.
it protects the federal character of the Union, the relative influence of smaller states, geographic breadth in presidential politics, and a degree of insulation from pure popular-majority outcomes concentrated in a few high-population areas.
Updating the size of the House would be a decent compromise here, and go a long ways in ensuring fair representation in government.
I would suggest that the size is updated after each census and is dictated by the smallest district.
It's silly that some districts approach 1 mil while others are nearly half that size.
I would suggest that the size is updated after each census and is dictated by the smallest district.
It's silly that some districts approach 1 mil while others are nearly half that size.
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We were taught it was to protect from the tyranny of the majority. Plusses and minuses, but that is my understanding of why we have it as well as a senate where each state gets 2 senators regardless of population.
The system was unabashedly designed as a compromise to small population slave states. More to do with keeping things together and punting the slavery issue rather than high minded idealism.
Im sure that'll be offensive to many, but it's true.
This is good. We are the United STATES of America, not just America. The STATES select the president. As mentioned above, if you find 38 STATES that want to change it through our constitution, then I'm okay with it.
Slavery and the Three-Fifths Compromise shaped the weight certain states received inside the Electoral College. The basic architecture (state-based electors, mixture of population and equality) was driven by the broader large-state/small-state and federalism disputes. Both things are true at once. Reducing the entire design to “a compromise to small population slave states” oversimplifies a set of overlapping bargains; ignoring the slavery dimension whitewashes a central moral and political reality of the founding.
Do fractional allocation of electoral votes.
I didn’t mean to make anyone think that was the sole driver, just a big chunk of the stew.
It's worth noting that at the time the deliberative body that was to be the main bulwark against the tyranny of the majority was not a democratically elected body. Which has to call into question the effectiveness of the original intent.
and make the number of electors per capita the same for every state.
if some states don't get a whole vote, so be it.
Didnt a republican win the popular vote last time?
California voters matter in California, Alabama voters matter in Alabama,... We function as a Democracy at state level and a Republic at the federal level,... Every voter matters equally within their state and every state matters equally within our country...
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Without the electoral college, the voters in LA and NYC will disenfranchise EVERY Iowa vote, that's why
Precisely. And smaller states would have no incentive to join a larger union when they knowingly would be forced to comply with the policies for larger, urban areas. They had to make a reasonable compromises, this was one of them.
OP is the kind of guy that slurps up propaganda all day and thinks the other side are brainwashed idiots.
He's not wrong about them, but self awareness is severely lacking.
He's not wrong about them, but self awareness is severely lacking.
People tend to forget that we are primarily a grouping of dissimilar states attempting to work together,.. We are not a singular country loosely carved up into a multitude of provinces or territories,... We are the original version of what the EU is.
But if it isn't a one vote to one vote thing, isn't it actually giving the rural vote more power?
No,.. I think people are forgetting that states are the primary entities in this equation that we call a country.
Yes, so you are okay with doing away with the electoral college then?
If you mean proportional to the amount of votes received, I could be down with this, but it could and would cause many court cases over rounding.
2/3s of Iowa voted Red and 1/3 Blue then 2/3s of Iowa's electoral votes go to the Republican and 1/3 goes to the Democrat.
Well f@ck me, I thought those entities were called citizens.
I wonder why the Declaration of Independence didn't start We The Area...
That's not true either.
No, my comment was to his, not the OP.
Also, you dont change the rules when you are losing. I held that line when dems were in charge, you can hold that line now.
We the farm land of America...
We the States of America...
Neither sound quite right.
Actually the Declaration of Independence began with,... "The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America"... You're confusing it with the Constitution.
us population/538....each state gets one elector for every 630,000 (or so) people
sorry wyoming - you don't get 3. now you get 0.92.
you know...for fairness.
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