POLL: Are the Dems Too Far Left?

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The linked CNN video showed these poll results. What do you think?

 

[alaskanseminole]

POLL: Are the Dems Too Far Left?​

The ones that are way too far left? Yes.
The ones that are more moderate? No.

 

[jimneffer]

i never know how to answer these broad questions...

are there people who generally identify as some kind of democrat "too far left"? yes
do i think the actual policies supported and legislation proposed by democrats at the national and even state level "too far left"? no

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Also see the similar poll on the GOP, here

POLL: Are Republicans Too Far Right? - Forums

Also check the similar poll on the Dems, here https://www.on3.com/boards/threads/poll-are-the-dems-too-far-left.8933861/ CNN posted these poll results in the linked video, but did not show similar polling for the GOP. What do you think?

www.on3.com

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

i never know how to answer these broad questions...

are there people who generally identify as some kind of democrat "too far left"? yes
do i think the actual policies supported and legislation proposed by democrats at the national and even state level "too far left"? no

We're talking about the Party. You know, the heavily corporate folks who fight against progressive ideas and progressive candidates and may be willing to lose the midterms rather than support progressive candidates.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The ones that are way too far left? Yes.
The ones that are more moderate? No.

As the song says

​

'Moderate' is just another word​

​

for nothing left to stand for​

 

[FLaw47]

I'm not an establishment hater like many of my brethren. DSA is too far left. The Democratic Party is slightly too close to center.

 

[alaskanseminole]

As the song says

​

'Moderate' is just another word​

​

for nothing left to stand for​

I disagree. To me moderate doesn't mean having nothing to stand for...it means recognizing neither party has a monopoly on good (or bad) ideas. We've allowed two parties to turn politics into an all-or-nothing package deal...agree with 100% of our platform or you're the enemy (MAGAs are by far the worse atm). Where's the compromise? Where's the middle ground? Why does it have to be left out?

 

[FLaw47]

I disagree. To me moderate doesn't mean having nothing to stand for...it means recognizing neither party has a monopoly on good (or bad) ideas. We've allowed two parties to turn politics into an all-or-nothing package deal...agree with 100% of our platform or you're the enemy (MAGAs are by far the worse atm). Where's the compromise? Where's the middle ground? Why does it have to be left out?

It's kind of weird. I think on most individual issues there's a stance that's more correct and that the Democrats hold more of those views (by a wide margin). On most issues, there aren't a lot of people that both left and right would describe as "moderate" but you can end up moderate when you average everything out.

 

[Moral]

I believe there has been a long campaign to make people feel that being in the center or having moderate positions is the ideal place to be. However, those are moving targets, now the moderates act more like how conservatives used to behave, in that they are resistant to change while republicans have become regressive.

The left is controlled by neoliberals which are neither a left nor right political philosophy but instead are a form of free market capitalists. The most influential neoliberals being Clinton and Reagan. Neoliberals, while virtue signaling on social issues are rarely active on those issues but are very effective on big money donor issues.

As part of the long-term campaign by both the right and left on progressives the masses have been trained to believe the non-negotiated middle ground positions are too far. In reality, much of what the modern-day Democrat Socialists are pitching is New Deal type policy. I feel if we do not move to increase the number of progressive politicians, we will just keep backsliding further into oligarchy and fascism. The Third Way neoliberals actively fighting back against progressives while they mostly sat on their hands against Trump is damning.

 

[Gibbs_dontbanmetom]

What dems are we talking about? The nutjobs or reasonable dems?

 

[Scrubby]

What dems are we talking about? The nutjobs or reasonable dems?

There are fewer and fewer "reasonable" dems these days. It is not a stretch to say the party has been taken over by far left radicals.

 

[Finance85]

The DSA part of the party is way too far left. They really don't understand basic economics. The labor participation rate is 62.1%.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

I disagree. To me moderate doesn't mean having nothing to stand for...it means recognizing neither party has a monopoly on good (or bad) ideas. We've allowed two parties to turn politics into an all-or-nothing package deal...agree with 100% of our platform or you're the enemy (MAGAs are by far the worse atm). Where's the compromise? Where's the middle ground? Why does it have to be left out?

tl;dr the progressives on here conflate being a moderate with somehow being pro large corporation…because the “moderates” in DC are backed by such corporations. But those aren’t actual moderates. They are opportunistic, corporate swamp creatures who try to hew to the middle simply because that is the expedient path to them staying in power/lining their pockets.

More below the line:
_________

For me being a moderate is a catch all term for having some beliefs that are progressive and some beliefs that are conservative. If I was running for office my platform would include:

• Healthcare: Basic catastrophic and preventative care available via a Medicare for all style government backed insurance plan. People can buy up into private premium plans if they so choose. Medicaid gets replaced by the M4all version I propose. Emergency room visits are not covered unless it is a true emergency. One caveat: I would DRAMATICALLY increase funding for doctor residencies which I understand is currently funded out of Medicaid. We need a much higher supply of doctors and residency limits are perhaps the biggest bottleneck to achieving that. Also, while I am generally against price controls, we do need something to address prices in healthcare. Open to that as a possibility - especially on pharma.
• Democracy: term limits for presidency, house, senate, and the SC (court gets a longer tenure). Undo Citizens United - no corporate money in politics at all. Limit executive reach on the War Powers Act, budget/spending and foreign affairs. Ideally increase the size of the house. Open to statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. Insider trading becomes a much more significant felony and I would prosecute any and all politicians doing it - regardless of party.
• Defense: no more foreign wars unless we are outright attacked. Ok to use our military to prevent things like Iran getting a nuke, but should be isolated and focused like 2025…not like 2026
• Budget: massive spending cuts. Cut defense, Homeland Security/ICE substantially. Cut much of Education, Ag. Evaluate every other department for efficiencies and make deep cuts where possible
• Social security: tax a greater % of income (maybe all of it) while raising the ages for payouts.
• Government revenue: no tariffs. Very small tax rate on subsistence level incomes (maybe 2-5%, just enough that you are contributing something, also ok with this being 0%). Then a flat rate set around 22-25% with ZERO loopholes. This rate would be on ALL cash received regardless of source. Income, capital gains, inheritance, gifts, etc.
• Commerce: free trade agreements with all friendly nations provided they reciprocate. When they don’t I would rarely use tariffs, I prefer other methods…see China below.
• China: no Chinese Visas and force all Chinese citizens to sell all assets in the US until such time as China reciprocates on trade with the US. We can’t own a majority of assets there… turn about is fair play.
• Energy: I support investment in nuclear energy, wind and solar. No more handouts for the oil and gas lobby.
• Regulation: streamline zoning regulations around housing, it is too hard to build more housing stock. But need to keep building codes. In general we need to evaluate regulation - mostly at a state local level. Some are necessary, many come with unintended consequences that are larger than the benefit.
• Guns: I support the 2A, but with limitations including universal background checks, no more loopholes on buying guns at shows/secondhand, felony if you don’t keep your gun safe in your home, no guns for mentally ill people, etc.
• Education: no public money to private institutions at any level. If you want to go private fine, but you don’t get public dollars for it. If that is not tenable then any private institutions taking public funds cannot refuse an applicant qualified to be in a public school. If you want public money you have to accept public students.
• Immigration: citizenship for dreamers and a path towards amnesty/citizenship for illegals here peacefully for 20 years. But this is a one time amnesty. It would not apply to anyone who came here recently or in the future. Also create a streamlined path for people who have valuable skills like doctors, engineers, farm workers, etc. But, keep a strong border presence.
• Middle East: cut all Israeli funding. But no aid for Hamas either. I support a two state solution, let those people figure out their own destiny. Then stay out of the region altogether.

And a bunch more…but this is already an insanely long post.

 

[jimneffer]

tl;dr the progressives on here conflate being a moderate with somehow being pro large corporation…because the “moderates” in DC are backed by such corporations. But those aren’t actual moderates. They are opportunistic, corporate swamp creatures who try to hew to the middle simply because that is the expedient path to them staying in power/lining their pockets.

More below the line:
_________

For me being a moderate is a catch all term for having some beliefs that are progressive and some beliefs that are conservative. If I was running for office my platform would include:

• Healthcare: Basic catastrophic and preventative care available via a Medicare for all style government backed insurance plan. People can buy up into private premium plans if they so choose. Medicaid gets replaced by the M4all version I propose. Emergency room visits are not covered unless it is a true emergency. One caveat: I would DRAMATICALLY increase funding for doctor residencies which I understand is currently funded out of Medicaid. We need a much higher supply of doctors and residency limits are perhaps the biggest bottleneck to achieving that. Also, while I am generally against price controls, we do need something to address prices in healthcare. Open to that as a possibility - especially on pharma.
• Democracy: term limits for presidency, house, senate, and the SC (court gets a longer tenure). Undo Citizens United - no corporate money in politics at all. Limit executive reach on the War Powers Act, budget/spending and foreign affairs. Ideally increase the size of the house. Open to statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. Insider trading becomes a much more significant felony and I would prosecute any and all politicians doing it - regardless of party.
• Defense: no more foreign wars unless we are outright attacked. Ok to use our military to prevent things like Iran getting a nuke, but should be isolated and focused like 2025…not like 2026
• Budget: massive spending cuts. Cut defense, Homeland Security/ICE substantially. Cut much of Education, Ag. Evaluate every other department for efficiencies and make deep cuts where possible
• Social security: tax a greater % of income (maybe all of it) while raising the ages for payouts.
• Government revenue: no tariffs. Very small tax rate on subsistence level incomes (maybe 2-5%, just enough that you are contributing something, also ok with this being 0%). Then a flat rate set around 22-25% with ZERO loopholes. This rate would be on ALL cash received regardless of source. Income, capital gains, inheritance, gifts, etc.
• Commerce: free trade agreements with all friendly nations provided they reciprocate. When they don’t I would rarely use tariffs, I prefer other methods…see China below.
• China: no Chinese Visas and force all Chinese citizens to sell all assets in the US until such time as China reciprocates on trade with the US. We can’t own a majority of assets there… turn about is fair play.
• Energy: I support investment in nuclear energy, wind and solar. No more handouts for the oil and gas lobby.
• Regulation: streamline zoning regulations around housing, it is too hard to build more housing stock. But need to keep building codes. In general we need to evaluate regulation - mostly at a state local level. Some are necessary, many come with unintended consequences that are larger than the benefit.
• Guns: I support the 2A, but with limitations including universal background checks, no more loopholes on buying guns at shows/secondhand, felony if you don’t keep your gun safe in your home, no guns for mentally ill people, etc.
• Education: no public money to private institutions at any level. If you want to go private fine, but you don’t get public dollars for it. If that is not tenable then any private institutions taking public funds cannot refuse an applicant qualified to be in a public school. If you want public money you have to accept public students.
• Immigration: citizenship for dreamers and a path towards amnesty/citizenship for illegals here peacefully for 20 years. But this is a one time amnesty. It would not apply to anyone who came here recently or in the future. Also create a streamlined path for people who have valuable skills like doctors, engineers, farm workers, etc. But, keep a strong border presence.
• Middle East: cut all Israeli funding. But no aid for Hamas either. I support a two state solution, let those people figure out their own destiny. Then stay out of the region altogether.

And a bunch more…but this is already an insanely long post.

the very first thing you list under healthcare (among a couple others) will get you labeled as a far left, communist extremist

i agree with you on almost all of those policies and priorities

and the only candidates who are openly campaigning on those things are the ones being called communists or having to defend the one time they went on hasan piker's podcast

 

[BroncHawk]

tl;dr the progressives on here conflate being a moderate with somehow being pro large corporation…because the “moderates” in DC are backed by such corporations. But those aren’t actual moderates. They are opportunistic, corporate swamp creatures who try to hew to the middle simply because that is the expedient path to them staying in power/lining their pockets.

More below the line:
_________

For me being a moderate is a catch all term for having some beliefs that are progressive and some beliefs that are conservative. If I was running for office my platform would include:

• Healthcare: Basic catastrophic and preventative care available via a Medicare for all style government backed insurance plan. People can buy up into private premium plans if they so choose. Medicaid gets replaced by the M4all version I propose. Emergency room visits are not covered unless it is a true emergency. One caveat: I would DRAMATICALLY increase funding for doctor residencies which I understand is currently funded out of Medicaid. We need a much higher supply of doctors and residency limits are perhaps the biggest bottleneck to achieving that. Also, while I am generally against price controls, we do need something to address prices in healthcare. Open to that as a possibility - especially on pharma.
• Democracy: term limits for presidency, house, senate, and the SC (court gets a longer tenure). Undo Citizens United - no corporate money in politics at all. Limit executive reach on the War Powers Act, budget/spending and foreign affairs. Ideally increase the size of the house. Open to statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. Insider trading becomes a much more significant felony and I would prosecute any and all politicians doing it - regardless of party.
• Defense: no more foreign wars unless we are outright attacked. Ok to use our military to prevent things like Iran getting a nuke, but should be isolated and focused like 2025…not like 2026
• Budget: massive spending cuts. Cut defense, Homeland Security/ICE substantially. Cut much of Education, Ag. Evaluate every other department for efficiencies and make deep cuts where possible
• Social security: tax a greater % of income (maybe all of it) while raising the ages for payouts.
• Government revenue: no tariffs. Very small tax rate on subsistence level incomes (maybe 2-5%, just enough that you are contributing something, also ok with this being 0%). Then a flat rate set around 22-25% with ZERO loopholes. This rate would be on ALL cash received regardless of source. Income, capital gains, inheritance, gifts, etc.
• Commerce: free trade agreements with all friendly nations provided they reciprocate. When they don’t I would rarely use tariffs, I prefer other methods…see China below.
• China: no Chinese Visas and force all Chinese citizens to sell all assets in the US until such time as China reciprocates on trade with the US. We can’t own a majority of assets there… turn about is fair play.
• Energy: I support investment in nuclear energy, wind and solar. No more handouts for the oil and gas lobby.
• Regulation: streamline zoning regulations around housing, it is too hard to build more housing stock. But need to keep building codes. In general we need to evaluate regulation - mostly at a state local level. Some are necessary, many come with unintended consequences that are larger than the benefit.
• Guns: I support the 2A, but with limitations including universal background checks, no more loopholes on buying guns at shows/secondhand, felony if you don’t keep your gun safe in your home, no guns for mentally ill people, etc.
• Education: no public money to private institutions at any level. If you want to go private fine, but you don’t get public dollars for it. If that is not tenable then any private institutions taking public funds cannot refuse an applicant qualified to be in a public school. If you want public money you have to accept public students.
• Immigration: citizenship for dreamers and a path towards amnesty/citizenship for illegals here peacefully for 20 years. But this is a one time amnesty. It would not apply to anyone who came here recently or in the future. Also create a streamlined path for people who have valuable skills like doctors, engineers, farm workers, etc. But, keep a strong border presence.
• Middle East: cut all Israeli funding. But no aid for Hamas either. I support a two state solution, let those people figure out their own destiny. Then stay out of the region altogether.

And a bunch more…but this is already an insanely long post.

This gets you labeled a Commie by the right

 

[HoggI74]

Why would I want to change a system that allowed a poor boy, born on the wrong side of the tracks, to get a college education and end up a multi millionaire...

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

the very first thing you list under healthcare (among a couple others) will get you labeled as a far left, communist extremist

i agree with you on almost all of those policies and priorities

and the only candidates who are openly campaigning on those things are the ones being called communists or having to defend the one time they went on hasan piker's podcast

As you and I have discussed my derision for the DSA is not that it includes these things.

It is the bat sh*t crazy stuff that should not be welcomed by a major political party (abolishing police, taking over major corporations, house electing the president, etc).

But yeah, to MAGA I’m probably a socialist despite the fact I don’t want any government ownership of the means of production while Trump is all for it.

 

[DailyBuck7]

tl;dr the progressives on here conflate being a moderate with somehow being pro large corporation…because the “moderates” in DC are backed by such corporations. But those aren’t actual moderates. They are opportunistic, corporate swamp creatures who try to hew to the middle simply because that is the expedient path to them staying in power/lining their pockets.

More below the line:
_________

For me being a moderate is a catch all term for having some beliefs that are progressive and some beliefs that are conservative. If I was running for office my platform would include:

• Healthcare: Basic catastrophic and preventative care available via a Medicare for all style government backed insurance plan. People can buy up into private premium plans if they so choose. Medicaid gets replaced by the M4all version I propose. Emergency room visits are not covered unless it is a true emergency. One caveat: I would DRAMATICALLY increase funding for doctor residencies which I understand is currently funded out of Medicaid. We need a much higher supply of doctors and residency limits are perhaps the biggest bottleneck to achieving that. Also, while I am generally against price controls, we do need something to address prices in healthcare. Open to that as a possibility - especially on pharma.
• Democracy: term limits for presidency, house, senate, and the SC (court gets a longer tenure). Undo Citizens United - no corporate money in politics at all. Limit executive reach on the War Powers Act, budget/spending and foreign affairs. Ideally increase the size of the house. Open to statehood for Puerto Rico and DC. Insider trading becomes a much more significant felony and I would prosecute any and all politicians doing it - regardless of party.
• Defense: no more foreign wars unless we are outright attacked. Ok to use our military to prevent things like Iran getting a nuke, but should be isolated and focused like 2025…not like 2026
• Budget: massive spending cuts. Cut defense, Homeland Security/ICE substantially. Cut much of Education, Ag. Evaluate every other department for efficiencies and make deep cuts where possible
• Social security: tax a greater % of income (maybe all of it) while raising the ages for payouts.
• Government revenue: no tariffs. Very small tax rate on subsistence level incomes (maybe 2-5%, just enough that you are contributing something, also ok with this being 0%). Then a flat rate set around 22-25% with ZERO loopholes. This rate would be on ALL cash received regardless of source. Income, capital gains, inheritance, gifts, etc.
• Commerce: free trade agreements with all friendly nations provided they reciprocate. When they don’t I would rarely use tariffs, I prefer other methods…see China below.
• China: no Chinese Visas and force all Chinese citizens to sell all assets in the US until such time as China reciprocates on trade with the US. We can’t own a majority of assets there… turn about is fair play.
• Energy: I support investment in nuclear energy, wind and solar. No more handouts for the oil and gas lobby.
• Regulation: streamline zoning regulations around housing, it is too hard to build more housing stock. But need to keep building codes. In general we need to evaluate regulation - mostly at a state local level. Some are necessary, many come with unintended consequences that are larger than the benefit.
• Guns: I support the 2A, but with limitations including universal background checks, no more loopholes on buying guns at shows/secondhand, felony if you don’t keep your gun safe in your home, no guns for mentally ill people, etc.
• Education: no public money to private institutions at any level. If you want to go private fine, but you don’t get public dollars for it. If that is not tenable then any private institutions taking public funds cannot refuse an applicant qualified to be in a public school. If you want public money you have to accept public students.
• Immigration: citizenship for dreamers and a path towards amnesty/citizenship for illegals here peacefully for 20 years. But this is a one time amnesty. It would not apply to anyone who came here recently or in the future. Also create a streamlined path for people who have valuable skills like doctors, engineers, farm workers, etc. But, keep a strong border presence.
• Middle East: cut all Israeli funding. But no aid for Hamas either. I support a two state solution, let those people figure out their own destiny. Then stay out of the region altogether.

And a bunch more…but this is already an insanely long post.

Your immigration policy is a non-starter. Reagan gave amnesty in the 1980s to about 2.6 million people in exchange for what were thought to be stricter controls. Of course, once the people received amnesty, the Democrats had no incentive to live up to their part of the bargain and now we have sanctuary cities and the like.

 

[jimneffer]

As you and I have discussed my derision for the DSA is not that it includes these things.

It is the bat sh*t crazy stuff that should not be welcomed by a major political party.

But yeah, to MAGA I’m probably a socialist despite the fact I don’t want any government ownership of the means of production while Trump is all for it.

all that stuff is not just to the left of MAGA, you're solidly to the left of OBAMA

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Your immigration policy is a non-starter. Reagan gave amnesty in the 1980s to about 2.6 million people in exchange for what were thought to be stricter controls. Of course, once the people received amnesty, the Democrats had no incentive to live up to their part of the bargain and now we have sanctuary cities and the like.

My amnesty does not go forward, only looks backwards. Somehow we have to reconcile that we have amazing people who have lived much of their lives here peacefully, who pay taxes, who work hard. I would give amnesty and a path to citizenship to them.

Then again, immigration is maybe 10th on my list of concerns. I’m much more concerned about economic, defense and democracy issues.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

all that stuff is not just to the left of MAGA, you're solidly to the left OBAMA

Nope. I want deregulation in a lot of places…I don’t care about endangered owls when housing is unaffordable for instance. I want a much flatter tax structure. I want to downsize our federal bureaucracy dramatically. How are those to the left of Obama out of curiosity?

 

[Palmerhawk]

the very first thing you list under healthcare (among a couple others) will get you labeled as a far left, communist extremist

i agree with you on almost all of those policies and priorities

and the only candidates who are openly campaigning on those things are the ones being called communists or having to defend the one time they went on hasan piker's podcast

" Moderates " rob sand and josh Turek are campaigning on term limits and campaign finance reform

They want to de- privatize and expand Medicaid and public education.

Campaigning on Medicare for all and amnesty for immigrants are losing issues for Dems in Iowa.
Purity tests are counter- productive for dems in some parts of USA.
Hinson or " moderate "Turek?
Lahn or "moderate" Sand?
Who ya got?

 

[jimneffer]

Nope. I want deregulation in a lot of places…I don’t care about endangered owls when housing is unaffordable for instance. I want a much flatter tax structure. I want to downsize our federal bureaucracy dramatically. How are those to the left of Obama out of curiosity?

sure. is every single one of those things to the left of obama? no

but, overall, is that platform? absolutely

i, as a person who neither supports nor feels the need to throughly condemn the DSA, would be f*cking thrilled for a president to accomplish half of those things.

also, we may have to discuss zoning regulations on your platform. i can be your campaign consultant.

 

[jimneffer]

" Moderates " rob sand and josh Turek are campaigning on term limits and campaign finance reform

They want to de- privatize and expand Medicaid and public education.

Campaigning on Medicare for all and amnesty for immigrants are losing issues for Dems in Iowa.
Purity tests are counter- productive for dems in some parts of USA.
Hinson or " moderate "Turek?
Lahn or "moderate" Sand?
Who ya got?

yes. those are solidly moderate stances on those issues. i'm not sure what else you're asking. if i like the platform that I'm saying will get someone called a communist, why would you think i want hinson or lahn?

i don't necessarily dislike moderates. the worst thing i've ever said about them is they represent the status quo and are as responsible for the current state of the country and our politics as anyone. in some places, that's the best we can hope for. i get it.

 

[BroncHawk]

Nope. I want deregulation in a lot of places…I don’t care about endangered owls when housing is unaffordable for instance. I want a much flatter tax structure. I want to downsize our federal bureaucracy dramatically. How are those to the left of Obama out of curiosity?

 

[Moral]

Nope. I want deregulation in a lot of places…I don’t care about endangered owls when housing is unaffordable for instance. I want a much flatter tax structure. I want to downsize our federal bureaucracy dramatically. How are those to the left of Obama out of curiosity?

I crown thee a libertarian-leaning center-left Democrat. Aka a classical liberal.

Classical liberalism is a political and economic philosophy from the 17th and 18th centuries. It emphasizes individual liberty, free markets, private property, and a limited government with minimal intervention in personal and economic life.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

I crown thee a libertarian-leaning center-left Democrat. Aka a classical liberal.

Classical liberalism is a political and economic philosophy from the 17th and 18th centuries. It emphasizes individual liberty, free markets, private property, and a limited government with minimal intervention in personal and economic life.

Agreed except for the Democrat thing. I won’t be a member of either party. I think they both stink honestly.

Admittedly one smells like a mildly stinky cheese…the other like a dead body left in the sun for a week. Still, my libertarian roots give me a healthy disdain for all forms of tribalism - except for the Iowa Hawkeyes of course.

 

[GesterHawk]

The ones that are way too far left? Yes.
The ones that are more moderate? No.

 

[GesterHawk]

i never know how to answer these broad questions...

are there people who generally identify as some kind of democrat "too far left"? yes
do i think the actual policies supported and legislation proposed by democrats at the national and even state level "too far left"? no

 

[GesterHawk]

I disagree. To me moderate doesn't mean having nothing to stand for...it means recognizing neither party has a monopoly on good (or bad) ideas. We've allowed two parties to turn politics into an all-or-nothing package deal...agree with 100% of our platform or you're the enemy (MAGAs are by far the worse atm). Where's the compromise? Where's the middle ground? Why does it have to be left out?

We need smaller legislation at the Federal level. Nothing gets done because they insist in making these giant bills that have very little chance of passing. And I think they do that intentionally most of the time.

 

[GesterHawk]

the very first thing you list under healthcare (among a couple others) will get you labeled as a far left, communist extremist

i agree with you on almost all of those policies and priorities

and the only candidates who are openly campaigning on those things are the ones being called communists or having to defend the one time they went on hasan piker's podcast

I still don't know who Piker is. Is he Liberal Joe Rogan - taken in by the next shiney object that tickles the liberal fancy, or is he Liberal Tucker Carlson - smart but far too opportunistic and willing to echo chamber the Left for wealth, fame, and power?

 

[GesterHawk]

This gets you labeled a Commie by the right

Voting Blue gets you labelled commie by the Right now as that is their new and more fantastically scary buzzword for the midterms. You can tell by how fast it was adopted by the Red Hat Bots on this forum.

 

[alaskanseminole]

We need smaller legislation at the Federal level. Nothing gets done because they insist in making these giant bills that have very little chance of passing. And I think they do that intentionally most of the time.

The pork in these bills is nuts. 300 page healthcare bill? Page 297 in fine print--free AR-15s for farmers.

 

[BroncHawk]

The pork in these bills is nuts. 300 page healthcare bill? Page 297 in fine print--free AR-15s for farmers.

ACTUALLY THE AR-15S ARENT FREEEEEE WE ARE PAYING WITH OUR TAXES

 

[Jerome Silberman]

I don't think the DNC has been progressive since LBJ was in charge, and the Overton window has steadily moved rightward since the Korean war era. Largely due to the bipartisan acceptance of the erroneous domino theory.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Nope. I want deregulation in a lot of places…I don’t care about endangered owls when housing is unaffordable for instance. I want a much flatter tax structure. I want to downsize our federal bureaucracy dramatically. How are those to the left of Obama out of curiosity?

Barrack Obama was a center-right POTUS and you're talking about major reform of the system in order to seemingly better address issues championed during the civil rights era.

That's about as progressive as the US has ever been.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

yes. those are solidly moderate stances on those issues. i'm not sure what else you're asking. if i like the platform that I'm saying will get someone called a communist, why would you think i want hinson or lahn?

i don't necessarily dislike moderates. the worst thing i've ever said about them is they represent the status quo and are as responsible for the current state of the country and our politics as anyone. in some places, that's the best we can hope for. i get it.

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Voting Blue gets you labelled commie by the Right now as that is their new and more fantastically scary buzzword for the midterms. You can tell by how fast it was adopted by the Red Hat Bots on this forum.

The GOP has been winning elections on the red scare tactics since the Russians released Marx in an attempt to destabilize Nazi Germany. The only reason it didn't work in Kennedy v Nixon was because Kennedy was already known to be anti-communism and it wouldn't have stuck. Other than that the association attempt has been nearly the width and breathe of the entire conservative campaign strategy.

It's an 80 year old ghost that never came to pass and is analogous to the Morman theory that when something good happens it's God and when something bad happens it's the Devil.

 

[baltimorened]

This gets you labeled a Commie by the right

I'm a conservative and I don't think this is a crazy list. I might want to "tweak" a couple of things, but for the most part the "traveler" platform is better than what we're getting from either democrats or republicans