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What’s to be made of Drew Allar with the Steelers?

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What are thoughts about Drew Allar with PSU vs Drew Allar with the Steelers?

I just cannot figure out why it looks like we bottled Allar and kept him from tossing the ball around like this. The only time he ever looked like this at PSU was if we were down double digits and trying desperately for a comeback.
 
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NittanyLionRoar said:


What are thoughts about Drew Allar with PSU vs Drew Allar with the Steelers?

I just cannot figure out why it looks like we bottled Allar and kept him from tossing the ball around like this. The only time he ever looked like this at PSU was if we were down double digits and trying desperately for a comeback.
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or.....his very first start against WVU. I gues they felt they had to reign him in after that -:)
 
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NittanyLionRoar said:


What are thoughts about Drew Allar with PSU vs Drew Allar with the Steelers?

I just cannot figure out why it looks like we bottled Allar and kept him from tossing the ball around like this. The only time he ever looked like this at PSU was if we were down double digits and trying desperately for a comeback.
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Because Franklin can't scheme for a pocket passer which is why Grunk made a horrible decision and ruined his career.
 
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KingLando said:
Because Franklin can't scheme for a pocket passer which is why Grunk made a horrible decision and ruined his career.
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Grunk's only hopes are:
1) Somehow Ty Howle (VT OC) can convince Franklin to go away from his offensive comfort zone and not force Grunk to become a runner and predominantly short passer.
2) If Grunk is hog-tied like Allar was under Franklin, get out of VT at seasons end.
 
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TheBigUglies said:
I think it is too early to tell yet. It was only 1 preseason game.
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That's right. We all know that in almost every game at PSU, Allar would look one of the best qbs in the country in one quarter, and then in the next quarter totally lose his mechanics and barely be able to complete a dump down pass to a running back.

A lot of these talking heads who never watched a PSU game and want to blame Franklin and his staff for Allar underachieving didn't see Allar have a great second half at USC when he just let it rip, or when he played really well in the Big 10 Championship game other than the two Ints, or when he threw pinpoint td passes in the end zone in the Boise State game; he did a lot of good things at PSU. Until the Oregon game last season, he was 26-6 as the starting qb at PSU. However, he's now being coached by an elite pro qb coach, so I would expect that he will look better and should look better with the Steelers.
 
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TheBigUglies said:
I think it is too early to tell yet. It was only 1 preseason game.
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1/4 of one preseason game - a handful of plays being played by some random guys thrown together for a couple of weeks. Guys who will almost all NOT be on NFL roster two weeks from now.

The month before the start of the season is "stupid season" - on steroids - among football fans and the bevy of media types click-baiting their way through the days.
Hilarious - probably not in a good way, but still makes you laugh.
 
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NittanyLionRoar said:


What are thoughts about Drew Allar with PSU vs Drew Allar with the Steelers?

I just cannot figure out why it looks like we bottled Allar and kept him from tossing the ball around like this. The only time he ever looked like this at PSU was if we were down double digits and trying desperately for a comeback.
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The difference between pro and college coaching! Franklin was a QB killer.
 
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Did CJF do Drew a great favor at the expense of the team and Jame's Reputation? I think that James was playing 5D chess while others were playing checkers.

CJF gets Drew into the playoff in his 3rd year so Drew has some success and gets noticed. James forces Drew to throw into very tight windows to small and slow WRs. Drew gets used to having to make perfect passes to these slower smaller wide receivers all while ignoring the middle of the field. James also berates Drew for throwing any interceptions and for even coming close to throwing interceptions making Drew nervous about throwing the rock.

CJF has Drew run the ball 8-10 times a game. He gets hurt and then goes down draft boards allowing a great franchise like Pittsburgh to take Drew in the 3rd round, taking a lot of the pressure off of Drew. Drew gets into a great QB situation, learns from a great in Rodgers and is now in line to be QB1 next year.

Drew now has a capable OL, fast big receivers, gets to throw to the middle of the field.....this is like playing basketball on an 8 foot rim for Allar.

That is one explanation for what happened to Drew at PSU. The other more conventional theory is that James only has one offense and he uses it regardless of who he has at QB, RB or WR, killing the chance for a throwing pocket QB to grow and get better. That seems crazy to me.
 
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That's right. We all know that in almost every game at PSU, Allar would look one of the best qbs in the country in one quarter, and then in the next quarter totally lose his mechanics and barely be able to complete a dump down pass to a running back.

A lot of these talking heads who never watched a PSU game and want to blame Franklin and his staff for Allar underachieving didn't see Allar have a great second half at USC when he just let it rip, or when he played really well in the Big 10 Championship game other than the two Ints, or when he threw pinpoint td passes in the end zone in the Boise State game; he did a lot of good things at PSU. Until the Oregon game last season, he was 26-6 as the starting qb at PSU. However, he's now being coached by an elite pro qb coach, so I would expect that he will look better and should look better with the Steelers.
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You're about to see a replay at VO Tech.
 
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PSU4U said:
You're about to see a replay at VO Tech.
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James has stated in interviews this year that he recognizes the mistakes he has made. Do you think that he understands the system cannot have a qb like Grunk play like a dual threat? It will be interesting.
 
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Phlebitis said:
Bourque and Huhn are both very similar pocket passers. You do have to wonder what they are thinking about all of this.
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TheBigUglies said:
I think it is too early to tell yet. It was only 1 preseason game.
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For sure, and we all know that, but he can only use the opportunity he is given and he did great. Worth noting is that we have all seen 3rd string QB's look terrible in those same circumstances and it gets blamed on playing with all backups.
 
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It was basically the blue white game so take it for what it is. As a commentator said this am, a very good game one night in August.
Nice to see new offense for the Steelers. Defense Bend but don’t break was nice.
 
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LMTLION said:
James is getting absolutely roasted on X for mishandling his development and not giving him competent receivers. The only time Drew ever look comfortable was throwing to Tyler Warren.
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I'll buy 50% of that. Lambert-Smith and Wallace went elsewhere and did pretty well. The other 50% is not developing a connection with them like Allar did with Warren. That's on the staff.
 
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KingLando said:
Because Franklin can't scheme for a pocket passer which is why Grunk made a horrible decision and ruined his career.
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Last I checked O’Brien coached QBs at Penn State and followed Franklin to VaTech. Since Grunk looked good in the games he played at Penn State I guess O’Brien must have completely changed his coaching methods immediately after Franklin got fired. We shall see how this all pans out but count me in the camp of those who think Campbell made a mistake by opting for one year of Becht rather than potentially three of Grunk.
 
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LMTLION said:
James has stated in interviews this year that he recognizes the mistakes he has made. Do you think that he understands the system cannot have a qb like Grunk play like a dual threat? It will be interesting.
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I'll have to search for his interviews, but I've never seen him take any responsibility for his shortcomings. I haven't even seen him acknowledge that there were any shortcomings other than PSU not giving him the resources he needed.
 
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J.E.B said:
The difference between pro and college coaching! Franklin was a QB killer.
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Then I guess Day was a QB killer as well since McCarthy’s ACTUAL comments about changing Allar’s mechanics were that it was basically the same thing they had to do with Will Howard.
 
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