Why Did Rutgers Have to Rutgers?

[rucoe89]

Thank you for the real time, street level intel.

Rutgers, like the UC schools in California, University of Texas, and University of Florida, have been spoiled by their rising tides of state demographics, lifted by large, growing immigration populations who send their kids en masse to state universities. This situation has allowed the best public schools in these states to rise in the rankings.

Contrast this to states with a different demographic profile, such as Pennsylvania. See chart. If you want me to add other schools, let me know.

Rutgers must up its recruitment game with a sense of urgency because Rutgers is not immune from the broader demographic cliff of fewer college bound Americans. The Rutgers leadership seems oblivious to the fact that situations such Brower Commons - a permanent demolition zone across from the student center, gym, and bus stop - turns off prospective students and their parents.

I reached out to Rutgers offering to represent the school at Long Island college fairs and have not heard a response. I will push again this fall.

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You make it sound like sending immigrant to state schools is a bad thing. In know many second, third, and fourth, generation kids, whose origins are family members that were immigrants, going to the UC system. They all seem quite deserving. They work hard and have excelled in school. Oh, and by the way, early students at these universities were immigrants. Yes, they came from Europe rather than Asia, South America, or elsewhere, but they too were immigrants.

 

[RU206]

Agree.

When I asked a high school guidance counselor why so many top Long Island high school students go to Stony Brook, the answer was they got into Ivies or B1G/SEC/ACC schools and want to study medicine. Parents told kids go get an MD or other advanced STEM degree at Stony Brook at a fraction of the price of any other school. Parallel to point @RUskoolie describes about nursing.

Many of these Stony Bound-students would choose Rutgers if the economics were similar. Most Long Island kids prefer to leave Long Island for college.

The pay-more-its-better thing is very New Jersey. I like to call New Jersey the frivolous ornamentation state. People put a lot of time, effort, and money into looking flash when the same outcome can be had with a minimum of fuss.

UConn offers instate tuition, New England Tuition and OOS tuition. New England tuition is lower than OOS but slightly higher than instate and includes Maine, NH, Vermont, Mass, RI and I think NY but doesn't include NJ. If RU wanted to target NY or LI or PA students they could do something similar but do they need to? There isn't a lack of students applying to RU.

 

[Fat Koko]

You make it sound like sending immigrant to state schools is a bad thing. In know many second, third, and fourth, generation kids, whose origins are family members that were immigrants, going to the UC system. They all seem quite deserving. They work hard and have excelled in school. Oh, and by the way, early students at these universities were immigrants. Yes, they came from Europe rather than Asia, South America, or elsewhere, but they too were immigrants.

Not at all. Just the opposite. Students from immigrant backgrounds are a strong tailwind for Rutgers, UC, and several other states. Other states, such as Vermont as an extreme example, attract few newcomers into the states - domestic and immigrant - and the state universities are suffering badly.

 

[Fat Koko]

UConn offers instate tuition, New England Tuition and OOS tuition. New England tuition is lower than OOS but slightly higher than instate and includes Maine, NH, Vermont, Mass, RI and I think NY but doesn't include NJ. If RU wanted to target NY or LI or PA students they could do something similar but do they need to? There isn't a lack of students applying to RU.

Only Rutgers Camden needs to and Rutgers Camden is already doing it with the One Tuition Grant, a program that does not extend to Rutgers New Brunswick or Rutgers Newark.

 

[RUskoolie]

What do you think Rutgers would need to do to attract students whose parents are willing and able to pay out of state tuition at academically less strong schools such as Clemson? I don't think hereditary admissions will change who chooses to attend Rutgers.

NJ is the #2 state in the Clemson freshman class of 2025, ahead of New York, Pennsylvania, Florida, North Carolina, Georgia, and Virginia, all of which have more people than NJ.

NJ kids love Clemson like nobody else!

Clemson is a marketing machine. The school openly admits its strategic priority is, "Deliver the No. 1 Student Experience in the Nation."

Maybe Rutgers should build this where Brower used to stand and make it a freshman dorm exclusively available to students whose parents pay full tuition plus are donors.

The effort by Clemson to attract kids from wealthy families from NJ doesn't seem to be helping Clemson in the rankings though.

FYI - My sister, 10 years younger, went to Clemson. Don't know why but do know she paid in-state tuition by joining ROTC. She working in Boston a week after she graduated.



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I would immediately start with prioritizing greek life instead of trying to kill it like cock roaches.
Second right behind it would be to cut all the woke nonsense. It alienaties 40-50% of your customer base
Third would be to collaborate hard with the city of New Brunswick on changing the zoning in the off campus neighborhood to greatly incentivize private landlords to bulldoze and build new housing (I am actively working on this)
Fifth would be to dial down the diversity push (yes its important, but its to the point you have to go looking for a white person in their magazine, social media posts or on campus).

They're not doing much to attract the upper middle class white kid from Madison whose parents make 300k a year and want their daughter at a 5 million dollar sorority house so they cut a check for double the price and send her to Auburn or Clemson or Penn State.

 

[RUskoolie]

But See Section 124's post above. For someone who wants to go direct to NICU, or some other specific area, if parents can and want to spend extra $$$$ for their kid to go to school, that's a choice. It's their choice. This constant stone-throwing at other's choices (not you) on social media is so tiresome.

On the other hand, if the student's parents cannot afford to pay the tuition, room board, going the more economical route makes sense. No need to sink yourself in debt.

See response to kupuna above and what Section 124 said. Also, in addition to "getting the degree," some kids may want the 4 year college experience at a leafy green college. If that's what they want and the parents can afford to send them, that's their choice. Some people still relish their college experience, but some of us who survived Rutgers may not appreciate that experience. I made the choice to skip the private colleges that would have sunk me in debt because my parents could not pay the expensive tuition and went to Rutgers. I got it all-loved my experience at Rutgers, even though it was grittier and uglier than Lehigh. I also loved that I graduated with a small amount of loans that I paid off within 3 months of graduation.

I get those points but people saying go to a private college for a nursing degree that is just terrible advice.

 

[RUskoolie]

This is inaccurate. I knew a ton of people from Chatham (just one example) including multiple people on just my freshman year floor, and this was before the economy imploded several times and the current crisis. You can look up feeder high schools, and while some of those high schools are smaller, you're going to see all the bigger high schools in wealthy areas at the top....Cherry Hill, JP Stevens, all of Freehold Regional, etc.

The people who think 75-85k a year for Sacred Heart or Tampa are justified are turning their nose at RU, but I'd consider that more than upper middle class. And I'd guess most of those people have trust fund or similar type finances where there is no such thing as a budget. And those people have always done, always will, and so do their equivalents in other states.

You are in your mid/late 30s no? JP Stevens is not in a wealthy area, I almost spit out my lunch lol. Times have changed.

Rutgers is not getting upper class kids, period.

 

[e5fdny]

I would immediately start with prioritizing greek life instead of trying to kill it like cock roaches.
Second right behind it would be to cut all the woke nonsense. It alienaties 40-50% of your customer base
Third would be to collaborate hard with the city of New Brunswick on changing the zoning in the off campus neighborhood to greatly incentivize private landlords to bulldoze and build new housing (I am actively working on this)
Fifth would be to dial down the diversity push (yes its important, but it’s to the point you have to go looking for a white person in their magazine, social media posts or on campus).

They're not doing much to attract the upper middle class white kid from Madison whose parents make 300k a year and want their daughter at a 5 million dollar sorority house so they cut a check for double the price and send her to Auburn or Clemson or Penn State.

(but you’re right)

 

[Knight Shift]

I would immediately start with prioritizing greek life instead of trying to kill it like cock roaches.
Second right behind it would be to cut all the woke nonsense. It alienaties 40-50% of your customer base
Third would be to collaborate hard with the city of New Brunswick on changing the zoning in the off campus neighborhood to greatly incentivize private landlords to bulldoze and build new housing (I am actively working on this)
Fifth would be to dial down the diversity push (yes its important, but its to the point you have to go looking for a white person in their magazine, social media posts or on campus).

They're not doing much to attract the upper middle class white kid from Madison whose parents make 300k a year and want their daughter at a 5 million dollar sorority house so they cut a check for double the price and send her to Auburn or Clemson or Penn State.

RU has actually dialed down the diversity push on several web pages. Saw this on their PA pages, where they explicitly seemed to indicate that wanted specific types of people, and now they say "We recognize inclusion as a fundamental aspect of the human experience—embracing, but not limited to, differences in race, ethnicity, culture, socioeconomic status, national origin, gender, age, religious belief, and sexual orientation. Our mission is to promote a culture of inclusion, equity, and excellence through our policies, educational practices, and community engagement."

Believe it or not, this is actually dialed down several levels where it used to be, and not all will agree with it.

I'm actually surprised Rutgers has not clamped down on this Professor, who is a Board of Governors Professor of Chemistry and Chemical Biology-he frequently posts anti-DEI rants. But free speech needs to work two ways, when in the past it was only going in one direction. . . .

 

[Fat Koko]

I would immediately start with prioritizing greek life instead of trying to kill it like cock roaches.
Second right behind it would be to cut all the woke nonsense. It alienaties 40-50% of your customer base
Third would be to collaborate hard with the city of New Brunswick on changing the zoning in the off campus neighborhood to greatly incentivize private landlords to bulldoze and build new housing (I am actively working on this)
Fifth would be to dial down the diversity push (yes its important, but its to the point you have to go looking for a white person in their magazine, social media posts or on campus).

They're not doing much to attract the upper middle class white kid from Madison whose parents make 300k a year and want their daughter at a 5 million dollar sorority house so they cut a check for double the price and send her to Auburn or Clemson or Penn State.

Very much appreciate the ideas. All make obvious common sense.

Looks like a zoning variance is needed to build a small apartment building in the off campus neighborhood. Is this true? Makes sense to up zone this entire neighborhood for apartments.

Last year, my niece transferred from a small woke school in Boston to Clemson for the reasons you describe. She told me she wanted to enjoy a traditional college experience, not deal with whiny protesting classmates and professors all day.

 

[Anon1754923206]

Very much appreciate the ideas. All make obvious common sense.

Looks like a zoning variance is needed to build a small apartment building in the off campus neighborhood. Is this true? Makes sense to up zone this entire neighborhood for apartments.

Last year, my niece transferred from a small woke school in Boston to Clemson for the reasons you describe. She told me she wanted to enjoy a traditional college experience, not deal with whiny protesting classmates and professors all day.

Smart niece. Happens a lot more than the “love wins” illuminate bunch would like to admit. I have three years left in the academia cesspool. It has changed so much in such a short period of time and not for good. Thankfully I’m in geosciences and can safely ignore all the social garbage. The tsunami of change coming to academia is going to blow many minds!!

 

[rucoe89]

I would immediately start with prioritizing greek life instead of trying to kill it like cock roaches.
Second right behind it would be to cut all the woke nonsense. It alienaties 40-50% of your customer base
Third would be to collaborate hard with the city of New Brunswick on changing the zoning in the off campus neighborhood to greatly incentivize private landlords to bulldoze and build new housing (I am actively working on this)
Fifth would be to dial down the diversity push (yes its important, but its to the point you have to go looking for a white person in their magazine, social media posts or on campus).

They're not doing much to attract the upper middle class white kid from Madison whose parents make 300k a year and want their daughter at a 5 million dollar sorority house so they cut a check for double the price and send her to Auburn or Clemson or Penn State.

Good colleges that attract great students don't always have strong frat culture. Family friend sent their daughter to Oklahoma and they were excited about the soririty culture there until they experienced it. Bunch of whiny rich and spoiled witches is the less colorful term they described. The so called "woke" stuff is just ignorance of the Reich wing spews. If those align with a student they can go to Liberty or Oral Roberts (never seen anyone hired on either coast from those schools). Cities doing more to integrate is a good idea but even then its not all cumbaya. Ann Arbor, Madison, and even Berkeley are fun places but there is tension with the universities.

 

[Section124]

Not true. Sister went through the same program at Middlesex. After completion of the 2 year program she was an RN. She was not a BSN. Much like Skoolies example. My sister was offered a BSN program free of charge by her employer after 2 years of service.

You are correct. My mistake on the BSN designation. Bachelor is still the requirement.

 

[Section124]

Guys I don't care what the letters are after her name. She spent 6k a year for 24 months to make 85k a year and the place of business will pay for her advanced schooling.

On no planet should people be paying a quarter million for a nursing degree. Save 200k of that, call me we'll buy a rental property. that makes you 15-20k a year and hell you can give it to the same kid.

There are many degrees people should not be paying $200K+ for, but they do. To each their own. I give your sister credit because she went to school and worked a full time job to get her degree. That is not easy and not so great on her social life. We all make choices. She may regret down the road not enjoying her college years and will feel like she worked her whole life. But she save a ton of $$$$.

 

[RUskoolie]

Very much appreciate the ideas. All make obvious common sense.

Looks like a zoning variance is needed to build a small apartment building in the off campus neighborhood. Is this true? Makes sense to up zone this entire neighborhood for apartments.

Last year, my niece transferred from a small woke school in Boston to Clemson for the reasons you describe. She told me she wanted to enjoy a traditional college experience, not deal with whiny protesting classmates and professors all day.

Exactly and she likely still protest RFK or Trump or whoever the Democrats run in 2028 except she will also get to party in beautiful frat and sorority houses and not see purple haired people with bullrings on Clemson's social media and magazines.

With respect to the zoning, yes there are several overlays. A lot of buildings have gone up, more are coming and I think finally we are going to get some relief to fix the 1-2 family houses with new construction and frankly I should get some credit for it, if it happens.

 

[RUskoolie]

Good colleges that attract great students don't always have strong frat culture. Family friend sent their daughter to Oklahoma and they were excited about the soririty culture there until they experienced it. Bunch of whiny rich and spoiled witches is the less colorful term they described. The so called "woke" stuff is just ignorance of the Reich wing spews. If those align with a student they can go to Liberty or Oral Roberts (never seen anyone hired on either coast from those schools). Cities doing more to integrate is a good idea but even then its not all cumbaya. Ann Arbor, Madison, and even Berkeley are fun places but there is tension with the universities.

immediately stopped reading. Ya just don't get it, do you?

 

[rucoe89]

immediately stopped reading. Ya just don't get it, do you?

LOL! Let me know when you meet up with the wizard.

 

[Section124]

I am really totally baffled at the idea that anyone is going to be more impressed at a degree from all but the Ivies and a few others, considering RU ranks about 40 nationally, and even for that, I am thinking it would be down to a few fields like finance and perhaps some grad school situations, particularly law and medicine, and even that, I knew people who went to Ivy law schools from RU. I went to a top 25 law school and RU was top 10 in placement there. Only other public school in the top 10 was Michigan, and certainly didn't include some of the small potato private schools or Clemson or Tampa.

RU has a top notch nursing program. Unless you wanted to be a nurse outside of the Northeast corridor specifically, going other than RU strikes me as very illogical.

Nursing schools have limited enrollment due to clinicals. Rutgers doesn't even have many slots to fill so if you are a prospective nursing student and get into a program, you have to accept it. In fact I recall Rutgers is one of the smaller programs around.

 

[Knight Shift]

I quoted exactly what you said in two separate posts.

I wasn’t trying to cherry pick and just wanted to point out the contradictory takes.

I actually agree with your second (and revised) take. Stating that we shouldn’t care what kids pay for when it comes to college is such an antiquated view and the reason why so any kids are in insane amounts of debt.

Nothing was revised, except your wishful thinking. Whether it is kids or parents having the money to pay more for a degree at a fancy college and that degree can be obtained at a community college at a discounted price, that is their (kid and/or parent choice). The experience is different. Some students and parents do not view college as a glorified vocational school to track directly into the workforce. Some want more from a college experience-activities, semesters abroad, pledging fraternities/sororities, athletics, and socialization of living in dorms and off campus-something that is "generally" (you will note I used quotes) not available at a community college.

According to your logic, if a NJ student goes to a state school and is within driving distance, they "should" commute to school versus living in a dorm or off campus apartment because it is cheaper. Picking a college is not the equivalent of picking out socks at Costco versus Target or JC Penney. For some, leaving home, living on campus and experience all that is offered at a four year university are important years of growth and socialization.

Don't bother parsing through my post and playing more "gotcha". Done with you.

 

[Leonard23]

Agree.

When I asked a high school guidance counselor why so many top Long Island high school students go to Stony Brook, the answer was they got into Ivies or B1G/SEC/ACC schools and want to study medicine. Parents told kids go get an MD or other advanced STEM degree at Stony Brook at a fraction of the price of any other school. Parallel to point @RUskoolie describes about nursing.

Many of these Stony Bound-students would choose Rutgers if the economics were similar. Most Long Island kids prefer to leave Long Island for college.

The pay-more-its-better thing is very New Jersey. I like to call New Jersey the frivolous ornamentation state. People put a lot of time, effort, and money into looking flash when the same outcome can be had with a minimum of fuss.

I'm skeptical that many top LI students were admitted to Ivies and other top schools, yet chose Stony Brook instead. Did the counselor provide any real data or do you have any?

 

[Fat Koko]

I'm skeptical that many top LI students were admitted to Ivies and other top schools, yet chose Stony Brook instead. Did the counselor provide any real data or do you have any?

No data on how many Long Island students are admitted to Ivies but choose Stony Brook. Got the info from a guidance counselor who has been doing the job for decades.

Here is data on where the most recent LI brainiacs chose to attend college.

 

[RU206]

J&J gives $300K to modernize Rutgers-Camden nursing simulation lab

Since this turned to a nursing discussion, I saw this article today: J&J to give RU-Camden nursing program $300K...

 

[Jtung230]

This is a blue collar mindset. The people sending their kids to $320K+ schools, already have $10M + in the bank. They spend $30K +/year on private school and it isn’t so they can send their kids to Rutgers or Middlesex or similar. NJ’s elite send their kids to Michigan, Texas, Penn State, Wisconsin, Illinois, UVA, North Carolina, Florida, Clemson, Miami, Boston College, Notre Dame, Stanford, and the Ivy Leagues. They need a brand so they can brag at the country club. Rutgers lacks panache. My friend offered to lease his daughter a Mercedes if she chose Rutgers. She still opted for Illinois, and the inconvenience of traveling all the way out there.

How did Penn state make that list? No one flexes saying their kid got into Penn state. unless they are going there to play football.

 

[rutgersal_rivals139582]

How did Penn state make that list? No one flexes saying their kid got into Penn state. unless they are going there to play football.

Sure they do. Hate to say it, but Penn State is viewed as more prestigious in affluent circles in NJ, like Princeton. They have a much stronger brand, helped by their 109K stadium. In real life, it’s probably the same. They get the same jobs we do.

Race may have something to do with it. PSU is 58% White whereas Rutgers is 29% White.

 

[yesrutgers01]

These are the things Tate needs to address.
1) really give Alumni that “family” feel. Rutgers has usually made the average Alumni feel like an afterthought
2) academic recruiting. Rutgers just doesn’t make it an education event and inviting to new students. Or recognize that the layout of the campus is not always ideal. Find a good way to make it less intimidating. Get students excited
3) Just local appeal. Not only one of the best Universities in the world but also being in the B1G for both sports as well as the prestige it brings as a research university needs to be pushed hard in New Jersey.

these all seem to be common sense but we have failed miserably at it

 

[yesrutgers01]

Although some on this board would never concede the point, a lot of the kids going to Clemson, probably most...did not get into RU. I see comments on this board and social media increasingly conceding that Biff didn't get in- and of course that's an outrage, because I pay taxes for that! We don't mention this enough, and it's actually a great thing.

Secondly, it's the Shop Rite line phenomenon, like I have said a bajillion times. And it remains both controversial and true. There is a mindset in the tri state area that if I am paying more for something, it must be better. There are a million non education examples for this too, real estate being a good one, where a similar home in a better school district will cost less in the town where the address has less cache, as an example. And part of this is type of kid who goes to the school. RU is known as a school for strivers- it's one of the best nationally at lifting kids who are first generation college students into the middle class and beyond. For some, disgustingly in my view, this is a frowned upon demographic. They know if they send Biff to Clemson, he will be surrounded by kids that look like him, he can rush a fraternity surrounded by his high school classmates that have parents with similar incomes, and most importantly today, that can be all over social media.

This isn't going to change, so I think may as well get those LI and Westchester parents who haven't been poisoned by the NJ iteration of this mentality but may feel it about Binghamton or Stony Brook like you said.

This is so true...Our kids grew up in Mahwah and went through their public school systems. Obviously, the oldest ended up at Rutgers and the youngest went to Ramapo (which is actually a wonderful education) Mahwah HS at the time had great reputation and I want to say that in the years our sons were there- there was in the range of 3% of their graduating classes went Ivy.
And while Mahwah is not quite looked down on- So many NJ people would pay the extra $300k and $50k plus for private schools and 70% more in property tax to move into Ridgewood, Allendale, etc because those were the "towns" you wanted your address associated with.

 

[EddieWilsonLives]

My daughter has two friends whose parents both told me their girls (both smart kids) ruled out Rutgers because of the high Indian and Asian presence.

 

[EddieWilsonLives]

Ramapo nursing program program very highly respected

 

[NotInRHouse]

You are in your mid/late 30s no? JP Stevens is not in a wealthy area, I almost spit out my lunch lol. Times have changed.

Rutgers is not getting upper class kids, period.

Northern Edison is an upper middle class area which is what you originally said. I would consider Chatham an upper class area. It's not like RU got upper class kids during GS 1.0 when I was in school and that changed.

Is the argument we're not getting kids from Alpine and Rumson? Sure. I know someone from Millburn that graduated with me.

The kids RU didn't, isn't and won't get it is the ShopRite profile, which I would say isn't really geographic. Could include someone from Hudson County that sent their kid to only private schools, could be someone from Rumson, could be an upper middle class person from even Toms River, just someone who thinks "if I spend more money, it's better."

 

[NotInRHouse]

RU has actually dialed down the diversity push on several web pages. Saw this on their PA pages, where they explicitly seemed to indicate that wanted specific types of people, and now they say "We recognize inclusion as a fundamental aspect of the human experience—embracing, but not limited to, differences in race, ethnicity, culture, socioeconomic status, national origin, gender, age, religious belief, and sexual orientation. Our mission is to promote a culture of inclusion, equity, and excellence through our policies, educational practices, and community engagement."

Believe it or not, this is actually dialed down several levels where it used to be, and not all will agree with it.

I'm actually surprised Rutgers has not clamped down on this Professor, who is a Board of Governors Professor of Chemistry and Chemical Biology-he frequently posts anti-DEI rants. But free speech needs to work two ways, when in the past it was only going in one direction. . . .

RU is not censoring people. That idea is nonsensical media crap.

RU is diverse because it is the state university of NJ. Much like schools in states with different politics are diverse (like Texas or UF) reflecting the state's demographics.

These are ideas that are part of ShopRitization though not necessarily the principle ones.

 

[NotInRHouse]

Good colleges that attract great students don't always have strong frat culture. Family friend sent their daughter to Oklahoma and they were excited about the soririty culture there until they experienced it. Bunch of whiny rich and spoiled witches is the less colorful term they described. The so called "woke" stuff is just ignorance of the Reich wing spews. If those align with a student they can go to Liberty or Oral Roberts (never seen anyone hired on either coast from those schools). Cities doing more to integrate is a good idea but even then its not all cumbaya. Ann Arbor, Madison, and even Berkeley are fun places but there is tension with the universities.

At the end of the day, the ShopRitization is a trickle down ignorance. The parents have exactly the views you're talking about and then would assume the politics of the college follow the state politics and then will be deeply disappointed. They could look for example how Tallahassee or even Tuscaloosa voted but that would require having intelligence that they do not have.

And then the kid will still come back opposing the parents, but at least they can say they spent the extra money. That is and will be concern #1.

Given "woke" has no real meaning except "hurts my feelings", I guess it's technically true in the sense that RU's diversity, which is not a political but rather a demographic function, it still applies. The parents want their kids to go to school with kids that look like their kid. Again, ironic when you consider someone from say, Fair Haven might look like the kid, but they have a closer political alignment with a parent from North Bergen or Holmdel, it's again the trickle down ignorance. Someone in the ShopRite line might have the same cluelessness about demographics and be impressed with the extra money.

 

[rureadyforsomefootball]

Both my sons, Rutgers grads one 18 years ago in Civil Engineering and the other 15 years ago in Finances were hired by Rutgers grads in the tri-state area. I wouldn't be so quick to throw a bad experience as a reason to not take a 2nd look at Rutgers. The Networking works and they both are using what their degrees were for, a rarity these days. Going to an out of state, flavor of the month school leaves the networking part of the plan obsolete. Just my 2 cents.

 

[S_Janowski]

My daughter has two friends whose parents both told me their girls (both smart kids) ruled out Rutgers because of the high Indian and Asian presence.

Sadly I think this part of the reason the upper middle class in NJ sends to PSU in such high volume over Rutgers.

Living in Marlton for awhile, the amount of kids & adults I saw in PSU gear made me sick.

I saw way too much PSU in the Marlton / Medford / Mt. Laurel area which is mostly white and more affluent compared to most other portions of South Jersey.

 

[Caliknight]

My daughter has two friends whose parents both told me their girls (both smart kids) ruled out Rutgers because of the high Indian and Asian presence.

Parts of Rutgers look like the school is located in China. It's not representative of America.

 

[mdk02]

RU is not censoring people. That idea is nonsensical media crap.

RU is diverse because it is the state university of NJ. Much like schools in states with different politics are diverse (like Texas or UF) reflecting the state's demographics.

These are ideas that are part of ShopRitization though not necessarily the principle ones.

Having relatives who live in Texas and went to UT-Austin I think it is a unique situation and one that Rutgers could strive for. What is that? Two major things.

1. State pride in UT. The athletics give it a major boost but it's not that alone. They have taken pride in UT from the beginning. The old Texas joke: An adult walks up to a college age kid and asks "where are you going to school son"? Answer "Harvard". Response "Gee, didn't you get into UT-Austin?" And Texas A&M is similar.

2. Price. State aid makes UT - Austin a very reasonable school to attend price wise.

Rutgers (Rutgers being Rutgers) and New Jersey should take note and correct it.

 

[DJ Spanky]

2. Price. State aid makes UT - Austin a very reasonable school to attend price wise.

Rutgers (Rutgers being Rutgers) and New Jersey should take note and correct it.

Fat chance that is gonna happen. New Jersey I believe is 49th out of 50 states in financially supporting higher education.

 

[patk89]

Just had lunch with a guy who told me his nephew just completed a successful internship in investment banking at a prestigious boutique bank in Manhattan. They gave him a full time offer after he graduates next May. Worked his tail off and beat out kids from big name private schools and impressed his bosses. Word on the street is that RU makes you grow up early and tests you. Nothing is easy. Not for everyone for sure.

 

[Section124]

Ramapo nursing program program very highly respected

It’s a feeder into Valley Hospital. A friend is the facilitator for their Nursing program there.

 

[Section124]

Just had lunch with a guy who told me his nephew just completed a successful internship in investment banking at a prestigious boutique bank in Manhattan. They gave him a full time offer after he graduates next May. Worked his tail off and beat out kids from big name private schools and impressed his bosses. Word on the street is that RU makes you grow up early and tests you. Nothing is easy. Not for everyone for sure.

Which is why at the end of the day it’s about the person and not the school you graduated from. Problem is it harder for the non-prestige school kids to get slots. Need alums at those companies to promote the schools.

 

[EddieWilsonLives]

Parts of Rutgers look like the school is located in China. It's not representative of America.

Assuming it's mostly a negative for the females, who are social and also excited about picking a school for social reasons / meeting guys. Most white girls just don't like Asian and Indian guys. Is what it is.