Lauren Boebert’s son arrested for Sexual Exploitation of a Child

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Correct me if im wrong but an 18 year old had sex with 17 year old and im supposed to lose my ****?


"She was weeks away from turning 18".


Well, I guess there are degrees between being critical of an action, losing your **** and dismissive of criminal acts. I cannot control where you fall on the scale.

BUT, if you feel its okay to dismiss child pornography, apparently filming without permission, distributing videos of sex acts to the public without permission, if you don't get angry to all that, then, it says more about you than me.

Are you willing to admit that 1) the law says something 2) that something was likely broken 3) you don't care about the letter of the law because of degrees? Party has never represented law and order, now its members are onboard.

Question, how many weeks or years under 18 would it be okay to distribute videos of a sex act that wasn't approved to be filmed or distributed of a child? Whats your line between "too close" and "close enough" ? Ignoring the letter of the law?

Me personally, 0 days under. Zero seconds of filming. And 0 seconds of distribution.
 

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Well, I guess there are degrees between being critical of an action, losing your **** and dismissive of criminal acts. I cannot control where you fall on the scale.

BUT, if you feel its okay to dismiss child pornography, apparently filming without permission, distributing videos of sex acts to the public without permission, if you don't get angry to all that, then, it says more about you than me.

Are you willing to admit that 1) the law says something 2) that something was likely broken 3) you don't care about the letter of the law because of degrees? Party has never represented law and order, now its members are onboard.

Question, how many weeks or years under 18 would it be okay to distribute videos of a sex act that wasn't approved to be filmed or distributed of a child? Whats your line between "too close" and "close enough" ? Ignoring the letter of the law?

Me personally, 0 days under. Zero seconds of filming. And 0 seconds of distribution.
I dont give a **** an 18 year old had sex with a 17 year old. He shouldn't have taped it. Sounds like a situation of a 17 year old and ability to give consent not her knowing the filming was happening.
 
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I dont give a **** an 18 year old had sex with a 17 year old. He shouldn't have taped it. Sounds like a situation of a 17 year old and ability to give consent not her knowing the filming was happening.


Funny, reread my post, I didn't comment on the actual act of having sex with a minor. Guess you are too busy hyperventilating on the first "crime" that the context of my position and the real felonies eluded you.

Which really explains why you are confused on what people are pissed about.
 
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This is the middle of January in Quebec, my ice ain't thin at all. But by all means, try your best here, it'll be fun. Read my following post and and then tell my why I suck so much again.

A)
Acting like? I said exactly what I meant: It's really dumb that we use the same language for this incident that we might for an incident that is 1000x morally more problematic.

Perhaps even dumber -- squealing about this incident as though it was anywhere near the same level of my hypothetical.

Were you doing that? I don't know -- I've seen a lot of people do that based on a headline -- they're non thinking. It's the same people that will squeal "pedophile" when a 16 year old hooks up with a 20 year old consensually the way other people might when a 40 year old abuses an 8 year old. Again, major major difference as anyone with a halfway well calibrated moral compass could tell you.

B)
I'm for law punishing the distribution of sexual content of someone < 18. Hell, I think I'm against it for people over 18 if it is done nonconsensually. Actual punishment is going to vary quite a bit on circumstance, obviously. And there is the scenario where you can be charged for distributing your own child porn as a minor. (which I'm not sure really makes any sense)

Anyway... None of this is germane to the point I was making.

C)
Your slippery slope analogy sucks.

My hypothetical served a purpose -- it was to clearly bypass any possible gray zone, to completely evade any slippery slope logic. In this case, pointing to a pre-pubescent child (10 year old) that couldn't possibly consent to anything -- something very wrong to almost every person on earth.


D)
Law necessarily can't be as nuanced and subjective as it ideally should be -- we don't have the resources. I think you see that in areas like age of consent and the like. (which are subjective across culture, if not state, not to mention the unevenness of human development across age)

It has to draw hard lines in the sand on matters like this necessarily. (granted, sentencing can to an extent ameliorate this problem)

But we, the people on the sidelines, get to be better than law this way! We get to think and use nuance and take in subjective information for a given situation that the law (in so much as its an algorithm) cannot.

E)
My effective thesis point was we ought not to talk about this "sexual exploitation of a child" case the way we might a case where a 10 year old and an adult were involved. They ain't all created equal.

Bobert's girlfriend was 17, two weeks shy of her 18th birthday. Two weeks and it's no longer "exploitation of a child" -- two weeks. This was much much more about unconsensually sharing sexual content than child abuse.


You're attempting to be rational amidst a sea of people who either can't be rational or don't want to be rational ... and they otherwise just want to exploit this for cheap yucks and/or political points.

You're also doing this in a high risk, low reward environment ... where even if you're adjudged to be correct, you're only changing the narrative from sex crime against children to sex crime, while, no matter the logic and soundness of your argument, certain people are just going to view you as excusing away or somehow justifying sexual crimes against women and/or children.

I don't know whether to commend you, or tell you to just bail out.
 

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Bobert's girlfriend was 17 years old and two weeks shy of her 18th birthday. Two weeks and it's no longer "exploitation of a child" -- two weeks.

This reinforces my original point perfectly.

This was much much more about unconsensually sharing sexual content than actual child abuse. It was an 18 year old and his 2 weeks short of 18 girlfriend.

This is in a different universe of moral wrong than my 10 year old hypothetical. Sentencing would reflect this, so should our language and reaction.

Sometimes you're an interesting poster.

The rest of the time you try WAY too hard to be an edgelord.
 
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Well then that guy was even more of a complete dumba$$ to not wait two weeks.

Look you have to draw the line between minor and adult somewhere. Society chose 18 years old. You feel it should be younger, most of us think it is set right.

Again the concern wasn’t an 18 year old having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. Everyone seems to accept that stuff happens and isn’t much of a big deal. The concern is exploiting a minor by distributing a sextape. IMO that should also be a felony for adults too when done without permission. Now if you want to say the felony should be life without parole for a 10 year old girl and a 5 year sentence for a 17 year old and a 1 year sentence for a 30 year old - well I’m good with different sentences for different circumstances, and I suppose the judge will do the same when and if he is convicted.

I just don’t get your outrage over this. It’s not a great look.
A)
I couldn't care less about the "look" you speak of -- in fact, I kind of relish people saying that without being able to really disagree with me. That's part of why I do this. Making people eat it, and all they have is their emotional reaction. I say it's a good look!

Well yeah, but it looks bad! - Said nobody in any serious debate ever.

B)
I stated above that the law necessarily can't always be as nuanced as it might need to be and that of course its going to have draw lines.

C)
You alluded to different sentences for different crimes -- our responses and language (to said crime) ought to be nuanced this way as well.

D)
The response (and language) doesn't match the crime.
 
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Sometimes you're an interesting poster.

The rest of the time you try WAY too hard to be an edgelord.

It's a weird time in society when rationality and logic are considered "edgelord" phenomena, while being snarky, and having, at best, a loose association with the truth, is considered the norm.
 
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Wait, So you freaks start a thread about a nobody’s 18 yr old son banging a 17 yr old girl and you’re asking me if he’s trans? 🤣🤣because some other poster trolled your little baby nuts off 🤣🤣holy shitte, is that what going on here, Reeeeee Buttersnatch
He’s clearly into trans individuals. That why he had to bring them up in this conversation.
 
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Well then that guy was even more of a complete dumba$$ to not wait two weeks.

Look you have to draw the line between minor and adult somewhere. Society chose 18 years old. You feel it should be younger, most of us think it is set right.

Again the concern wasn’t an 18 year old having sex with his 17 year old girlfriend. Everyone seems to accept that stuff happens and isn’t much of a big deal. The concern is exploiting a minor by distributing a sextape. IMO that should also be a felony for adults too when done without permission. Now if you want to say the felony should be life without parole for a 10 year old girl and a 5 year sentence for a 17 year old and a 1 year sentence for a 30 year old - well I’m good with different sentences for different circumstances, and I suppose the judge will do the same when and if he is convicted.

I just don’t get your outrage over this. It’s not a great look.
This is great. I’ve seen many on the left posting that a 18 year old nailing a 17 year old is no big deal. Get worked up about the fact that he was sharing the content without her consent.
 

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dad's whipping his d*ck out in bowling allies, mom's giving out dry handies during musicals...

this kid never stood a chance
1. A dry handy is better than no handy.
2. Beetlejuice the Musical sounds boring as f_ck.
3. That family is three hits of meth away from the being the trashiest reality TV show ever.
 

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Funny, reread my post, I didn't comment on the actual act of having sex with a minor. Guess you are too busy hyperventilating on the first "crime" that the context of my position and the real felonies eluded you.

Which really explains why you are confused on what people are pissed about.
I was agreeing with you.
 

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A) I'm not saying the law was necessarily incorrectly applied.
B) I am criticizing the law's language, yes.
C) Because clearly there is a huge difference between this guy producing kiddie porn by abusing a 10 year old vs recording a love interest within a year of his age.
D) We all know one is much much morally problematic than the other - I'm saying the language we use ought to clearly delineate on said difference.
E) I am also ranting on this knowing full well that I'd get the responses I did -- and that I'd be able to make the post that you're reading now.
If an 18 year old filmed my 17 year old and distributed it, I would sure as hell want ever possible charge possible against the perp.
And I would not care if you disagreed with the wording of it.
 
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If an 18 year old filmed my 17 year old and distributed it, I would sure as hell want ever possible charge possible against the perp.
And I would not care if you disagreed with the wording of it.
So if it happened 3 weeks later when she was 18 would you feel much different about it?
 

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It's a weird time in society when rationality and logic are considered "edgelord" phenomena, while being snarky, and having, at best, a loose association with the truth, is considered the norm.
Yes, that's why you're universally hated - logic and rationality.
 
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It was literally used and commented on in a conversational context.

People excitedly repeat headlines like this and then you look into the details and see that it's most innocuous instantiation of the law possible.

This being so ridiculously different than my hypothetical that I tend to think legal language ought to reflect the difference. (Sentencing certainly will)
Would you feel different if he was 24 at the time and she was 17?
How about 38?
 

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Bobert's girlfriend was 17 years old and two weeks shy of her 18th birthday. Two weeks and it's no longer "exploitation of a child" -- two weeks.

This reinforces my original point perfectly.

This was much much more about unconsensually sharing sexual content than actual child abuse. It was an 18 year old and his 2 weeks short of 18 girlfriend.

This is in a different universe of moral wrong than my 10 year old hypothetical. Sentencing would reflect this, so should our language and reaction.

Funny, you say that the two weeks don't matter as in Colorado the will prosecute you if you are a day outside of their Romeo and Juliet laws. Yes, they calculate it to the day not just a general year.

So one would think that the two weeks don't matter to the Colorado legal system.
 

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Recorded and distributed it without her know.

You left out the actual crime part.
The video was made using HER phone. She knew she was making a movie. The issue is a 17 year old cannot consent to it even if she is the one who hit record.



Be better.
 

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A minor, legally. (probably teen or young adult in a non legal setting)

One of my points was obviously that not all minors are equal. (i.e. almost 18 vs 10 year old)
Society has laws.
We can not choose which laws to observe and which ones to ignore without the threat of utter anarchy breaking out.

And yes, I break the law almost every time I drive, but if the cops catch me for speeding I am not going to be mad at the cops for applying the law correctly. That's on me if I get caught speeding.
 
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I would feel the charge of distribution of child exploitative material would not apply.

But I would still want any and every applicable charge brought against him.
Right, which was one of my points... this was much much much more about distributing private material without consent (even if the video itself was consensual) than abusing of a child.

(in this case an 18 year old and an almost 18 year old)


Society has laws.
We can not choose which laws to observe and which ones to ignore without the threat of utter anarchy breaking out.

And yes, I break the law almost every time I drive, but if the cops catch me for speeding I am not going to be mad at the cops for applying the law correctly. That's on me if I get caught speeding.

I covered all this in another post.
 

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The video was made using HER phone. She knew she was making a movie. The issue is a 17 year old cannot consent to it even if she is the one who hit record.



Be better.
I'm not the one arguing that a guy shouldn't be charged with child exploitation.

You be better.
 
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If you spent less time making excuses for the guy then I prob wouldn’t have that take
An 18 year old and a 17 year old knocked one out and the 17 year old took a video of it on her phone and got pissed when it got leaked.

Are there lessons to be learned? Yes.


Did this guy do exactly what 99% of hetero males would have done in making the video? Yes.


Should. ANYONE have shared it? No.



You realize what she did is a really good way to blackmail an ex if you look at it from that angle right? Or are you thinking we should all be virgins until 18?
 
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An 18 year old and a 17 year old knocked one out and the 17 year old took a video of it on her phone and got pissed when it got leaked.

Are there lessons to be learned? Yes.


Did this guy do exactly what 99% of hetero males would have done in making the video? Yes.


Should. ANYONE have shared it? No.



You realize what she did is a really good way to blackmail an ex if you look at it from that angle right? Or are you thinking we should all be virgins until 18?
Except as far as we know it wasn’t blackmail. HE shared it knowing full well she was underage during the filming of said video.

the party who’s all about personal responsibility spending all this time caping for someone who distributed, by the letter of the law, child porn, is incredibly wild to me.

if this was the kid of some prominent dem, there would be like 6 threads on here about it and I highly doubt you and your ilk be running this kind of interference.
 

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Except as far as we know it wasn’t blackmail. HE shared it knowing full well she was underage during the filming of said video.

the party who’s all about personal responsibility spending all this time caping for someone who distributed, by the letter of the law, child porn, is incredibly wild to me.

if this was the kid of some prominent dem, there would be like 6 threads on here about it and I highly doubt you and your ilk be running this kind of interference.
The party that is afraid that a rainbow is grooming kids is able to rationalize away a child exploitation charge.

Odd.
 

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Except as far as we know it wasn’t blackmail. HE shared it knowing full well she was underage during the filming of said video.

the party who’s all about personal responsibility spending all this time caping for someone who distributed, by the letter of the law, child porn, is incredibly wild to me.

if this was the kid of some prominent dem, there would be like 6 threads on here about it and I highly doubt you and your ilk be running this kind of interference.
"ilk"... touch grass ya queef.



Im pretty sure id be saying "I dont care that a 18 year old and a 17 year old banged, nobody should have distributed it"......sound familiar?
 

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"ilk"... touch grass ya queef.



Im pretty sure id be saying "I dont care that a 18 year old and a 17 year old banged, nobody should have distributed it"......sound familiar?
Yes, ilk. Stupid people who can’t read.

NO ONE CARES THEY ******

nor is he in trouble that they ******. He’s in trouble for sharing a video of him ******* an underage person. This isn’t difficult, but for some reason here we are.
 
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Yes, ilk. Stupid people who can’t read.

NO ONE CARES THEY ******

nor is he in trouble that they ******. He’s in trouble for sharing a video of him ******* an underage person. This isn’t difficult, but for some reason here we are.
But she was so close to being 18....
 
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