Abortion up until birth is law in MA

[dpic73]

I actually agree with this. But you just don't get to say "it's not murdering a baby" to make yourself feel better about it. I believe they should change the word "abortion" to "baby murder" and say, "Baby murder is legal". Then if you still want to go through with it, have at it.

Pete is talking about a fetus that's already dead or has severe abnormalities and won't live long after birth. Many of us don't consider that to be murder but you do you, I won't be using your term.

 

[TigerRagRob]

On the record that you are pro-choice.

Ive always had the position early in the process but opposed mid and late term abortions. Its not a new position. Ive always been onboard with safe and rare and not abortion on demand. I have a moderate position. I support birth control and the morning after pill. But not really after that. I oppose later term and abortion at or right after birth...

 

[TigerRagRob]

Nothing disgusts me more than a brianwashed libtard woman doctor that thinks women should be able to choose what happens in their bodies

The issue is its not just her body in question. She also had her choice to spreading her legs and having a train run...

 

[jimneffer]

The issue is its not just her body in question. She also had her choice to spreading her legs and having a train run...

is this statement also part of your "moderate position"?

 

[TigerRagRob]

This is so funny, stop making me laugh.

Its so stupid even you wont even try...

 

[TigerRagRob]

Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2022

This report describes abortion rates and ratios (number of abortions per 1,000 live births) in the United States during 2013-2022.

www.cdc.gov

Thousands happen every year and the left-tards claim it never happens

CDC data (reporting areas only)​

These figures come from CDC Abortion Surveillance reports. They cover only the states/areas that report gestational age data and therefore underestimate the true national total (major states like California often do not fully report).

Year	% of abortions at ≥21 weeks	Approximate number in reporting areas	Source notes
2020	1.0%	~4,000–4,500	CDC
2021	0.9–1.0%	~4,100	CDC / KFF summary of CDC data
2022	1.1–1.2%	~4,900 (one detailed table showed 4,896)	CDC 2022 report
2023	Not yet published	—	CDC data lags 1–2 years

 

[dpic73]

Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2022

This report describes abortion rates and ratios (number of abortions per 1,000 live births) in the United States during 2013-2022.

www.cdc.gov

Thousands happen every year and the left-tards claim it never happens

CDC data (reporting areas only)​

These figures come from CDC Abortion Surveillance reports. They cover only the states/areas that report gestational age data and therefore underestimate the true national total (major states like California often do not fully report).

Year	% of abortions at ≥21 weeks	Approximate number in reporting areas	Source notes
2020	1.0%	~4,000–4,500	CDC
2021	0.9–1.0%	~4,100	CDC / KFF summary of CDC data
2022	1.1–1.2%	~4,900 (one detailed table showed 4,896)	CDC 2022 report
2023	Not yet published	—	CDC data lags 1–2 years

The left claims late-term abortions never happen? Hmm, I just learned something new.

 

[jimneffer]

Abortion Surveillance — United States, 2022

This report describes abortion rates and ratios (number of abortions per 1,000 live births) in the United States during 2013-2022.

www.cdc.gov

Thousands happen every year and the left-tards claim it never happens

CDC data (reporting areas only)​

These figures come from CDC Abortion Surveillance reports. They cover only the states/areas that report gestational age data and therefore underestimate the true national total (major states like California often do not fully report).

Year	% of abortions at ≥21 weeks	Approximate number in reporting areas	Source notes
2020	1.0%	~4,000–4,500	CDC
2021	0.9–1.0%	~4,100	CDC / KFF summary of CDC data
2022	1.1–1.2%	~4,900 (one detailed table showed 4,896)	CDC 2022 report
2023	Not yet published	—	CDC data lags 1–2 years

roughly 1% of all abortions

because the people deciding to get an abortion are not waiting until the 24th week to make that decision

 

[Urohawk]

The law was just passed, dumba$$! Here’s the change already posted by Scrubby:


Previous law: Abortions after 24 weeks were allowed only if a physician determined it was necessary to preserve the patient’s life or physical/mental health, or due to a lethal fetal anomaly/diagnosis or a grave fetal diagnosis indicating the fetus was incompatible with sustained life outside the uterus without extraordinary interventions.

New law: The prior specific criteria were removed. Section 12N now states that “an abortion may be performed by a physician based upon the professional judgment of the physician.” A related provision prevents any medical review process from overriding the treating physician’s and patient’s (or health care proxy’s) judgment.

So now doesn’t need to be a grave risk to either the fetus or the mother. I’ll ask again…..what’s to stop a feminist libtard physician (not an insignificant number) from performing a mid/late term abortion on a healthy mother & baby?

Here are examples where you morons lack medical knowledge. There is no way around this legally because when republican states put these laws in effect, they put stupid provisions written by real estate agents, farmers, lawyers, etc that are impossible to interpret. You threaten criminal prosecution of doctors, removal of their livelihood be stripping them of their medical license, stupid clauses like any person can sue you as a women if you choose to get an abortion even thought the plaintiff has no legal harm, or a random person can sue the doctor for an abortion even though the plaintiff has no legal harm, etc.

1. Patient is 26 weeks pregnant and learns she has leukemia. Waiting 10 weeks for a full term pregnancy will allow the cancer to grow and delaying chemotherapy will harm the mother. Giving her chemotherapy will likely kill the pregnancy. She will have to go through the emotional trauma of delivering that child and suffering birth trauma. A dead baby puts her at risks for sepsis. Let's say by a miracle of the sky fairy, the baby survives. It will have horrible birth defects due to influence of the chemotherapy and likely need life long medical care. It will be malformed, unintelligent, etc but it will be alive. So she is given the horrible option of aborting her perfectly normal baby and taking chemo to save her life.

So, can the mother get the abortion today for "medical reasons?" Does she have an immediate physical threat to her health, today? Do I need to wait until she starts getting sick from chemotherapy before we can justify medical necessity of the abortion? This is the gray area these abortion laws create. Doctors are fearful of being prosecuted and sued so they do nothing and the woman suffers.

2. Patient is 16 weeks pregnant. The amniotic sac ruptures which means the fetus will not survive. There is no option to repair the rupture and save the pregnancy. The baby will die but this baby is alive, today. Mom comes to hospital. She is perfectly fine. Labs and vital signs are normal. On ultrasound, the baby is perfectly fine. If the fetus is not removed, she is high risk for an infection entering through the amniotic sac rupture and causing sepsis.

So can she get an abortion today? Pro-life advocates argue no, she's not under an immediate medical threat. So does the abortion doctor have to wait until she gets sick with an infection? Then her pregnancy is life threatening so we wait until she gets sick and then she dies due to the delay. This actually happens. It changed the country of Ireland's abortion laws after the death of a single woman but you cons want to argue you and the politicians are better judges than the mother and her doctor.

If God exists, why not let him do the determination and punishing of the people getting abortions and stay out of it. Democrats pass these very broad laws to stay out of the way of doctors and mom's making the decision.

Death of Savita Halappanavar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[McLovin32]

The issue is its not just her body in question. She also had her choice to spreading her legs and having a train run...

Weird post is weird.


You people are all weird.

 

[AFM22]

Weird post is weird.


You people are all weird.

EVERY TIME A WOMAN IS PENETRATED IT WAS HER CHOICE.

EVERY.

TIME.

 

[McLovin32]

EVERY TIME A WOMAN IS PENETRATED IT WAS HER CHOICE.

EVERY.

TIME.

FUCAN TRAINS GET SO MANY WOMENS PREGGERS

 

[jimneffer]

I actually agree with this. But you just don't get to say "it's not murdering a baby" to make yourself feel better about it. I believe they should change the word "abortion" to "baby murder" and say, "Baby murder is legal". Then if you still want to go through with it, have at it.

what do you think we should call the discarded embryos remaining from IVF?

 

[Moral]

I think I am going to go out on a limb and side with the doctors in this thread over the twitter addicted maga trolls.

 

[McLovin32]

I think I am going to go out on a limb and side with the doctors in this thread over the twitter addicted maga trolls.

Don't be a sheep

 

[Yellowsnow51]

what do you think we should call the discarded embryos remaining from IVF?

Biohazardous Kids

 

[JayDeeSC]

I am on the record of being pro choice up to 12 or 14 weeks. This limitless abortion up to the point of birth is disgusting and entirely inexcusable though. I'd legitimately prefer to fully ban abortions nationwide over allowing multiple states to murder the unborn who are totally viable to live out of the womb moments before they are born.

The policies being offered by the democrat party are completely dystopian. No wonder the party has been taken over by jihadists and gay communists.

Scrubby is pro-choice. Noted.

 

[JayDeeSC]

Ive always had the position early in the process but opposed mid and late term abortions. Its not a new position. Ive always been onboard with safe and rare and not abortion on demand. I have a moderate position. I support birth control and the morning after pill. But not really after that. I oppose later term and abortion at or right after birth...

So you are pro-choice.

 

[JWolf74]

I think I am going to go out on a limb and side with the doctors in this thread over the twitter addicted maga trolls.

 

[Scrubby]

Scrubby is pro-choice. Noted.

While I am and have been pro choice for quite some time (withon reason as already mentioned) I will also note that life indeed begins at conception.

That said, there is still a massive difference in an abortion at the 12 to 14 week mark vs in the third trimester. Aborting an unborn child that is fully viable outside of the womb prior to delivery is quite literally murder.

Democrat policies continue to be pretty vile on literally all fronts.

 

[jimneffer]

While I am and have been pro choice for quite some time (withon reason as already mentioned) I will also note that life indeed begins at conception.

That said, there is still a massive difference in an abortion at the 12 to 14 week mark vs in the third trimester. Aborting an unborn child that is fully viable outside of the womb prior to delivery is quite literally murder.

Democrat policies continue to be pretty vile on literally all fronts.

virtually everyone agrees with this

that's why terminations in the third trimester are exceedingly rare (1% of total quoted above)

but that doesn't change the fact that some states want to address those very real, tragic, and (fortunately) rare situations, even if it makes it hard for people like you to justify your attempt to stand on both sides of this issue

 

[Scrubby]

virtually everyone agrees with this

that's why terminations in the third trimester are exceedingly rare (1% of total quoted above)

but that doesn't change the fact that some states want to address those very real, tragic, and (fortunately) rare situations, even if it makes it hard for people like you to justify your attempt to stand on both sides of this issue

You could already do that in Massachusetts before this new bill was signed.. the latest bill literally removes any and all requirements for a serious health risk for a third trimester abortion and allows doctors to simply do them at will/at their discretion. The entire narrative you're going on about here is NOT what democrats just did.

 

[Jonathan Assbutt Jr.]

Leftist here claimed it was bs and fear mongering by the Right and wasnt a real thing. Just more lies by the left....

Not far enough if you ask me. Cut off should be 5 years old. Nobody that's been around 5 year olds for an extended period of time is going to disagree with me.

 

[jimneffer]

You could already do that in Massachusetts before this new bill was signed.. the latest bill literally removes any and all requirements for a serious health risk for a third trimester abortion and allows doctors to simply do them at will/at their discretion. The entire narrative you're going on about here is NOT what democrats just did.

you could do it...if it fit certain parameters. if it didn't - or the doctor wasn't comfortable that it did - you couldn't. this legislation addresses that.

 

[Scrubby]

you could do it...if it fit certain parameters. if it didn't - or the doctor wasn't comfortable that it did - you couldn't. this legislation addresses that.

No, this just allows you lunatics to murder the unborn up to the moment before their birth. Planned parenthood will then continue to sell their aborted body parts for $$$ and funnel some of it back to the democrats who allow their business to thrive as much as it does.

 

[jimneffer]

No, this just allows you lunatics to murder the unborn up to the moment before their birth. Planned parenthood will then continue to sell their aborted body parts for $$$ and funnel some of it back to the democrats who allow their business to thrive as much as it does.

and we've reached the stage of insults and hyperbole - where any "discussion" with you ultimately ends

 

[Scrubby]

and we've reached the stage of insults and hyperbole - where any "discussion" with you ultimately ends

There never was a discussion, not with you lying and misrepresenting what democrats did here.

 

[Stoopsbrother]

absolutely disgusting.

 

[kidmike41]

Pete is talking about a fetus that's already dead or has severe abnormalities and won't live long after birth. Many of us don't consider that to be murder but you do you, I won't be using your term.

If the fetus is dead it should be removed. I don't know why we can't find another term for that beside abortion just to make sure there is no confusion.

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

absolutely disgusting.

You would think everyone would be in agreement here

 

[fskillet]

I’m just here for the conservative pearl clutching

 

[PedMaller]

So you don’t have a source that they are doing them when not medically necessary? You’re just angry because the doctor is allowed to make a medical decision based on their medical knowledge and experience?

The law just changed dumba$$……which now allows them to murder mid/long term babies when not medically necessary.

Please tell me you’re claiming this won’t happen, as I will LOVE reminding you of this awful take when it does. If it never happens ( ), feel free to do the same to me.

I have complete faith in the evil of brainwashed libtards that this will happen.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

The law just changed dumba$$……which now allows them to murder mid/long term babies when not medically necessary.

Please tell me you’re claiming this won’t happen, as I will LOVE reminding you of this awful take when it does. If it never happens ( ), feel free to do the same to me.

I have complete faith in the evil of brainwashed libtards that this will happen.

Is this the first state with a law similar to this one? Couldn't you find lots of examples from other states?

 

[McLovin32]

The law just changed dumba$$……which now allows them to murder mid/long term babies when not medically necessary.

Please tell me you’re claiming this won’t happen, as I will LOVE reminding you of this awful take when it does. If it never happens ( ), feel free to do the same to me.

I have complete faith in the evil of brainwashed libtards that this will happen.

Doctors love murdering mid/long term babies when it's not medically necessary. This is why it's so funny. You're finally getting it.

 

[Scrubby]

Is this the first state with a law similar to this one? Couldn't you find lots of examples from other states?

This is the 10th state

 

[Scrubby]

Doctors love murdering mid/long term babies when it's not medically necessary. This is why it's so funny. You're finally getting it.

They love selling the aborted body parts. See planned parenthood. Big money in abortions if you're willing to sell your soul for a little $$$

 

[JohnHughsPartner]

They love selling the aborted body parts. See planned parenthood. Big money in abortions if you're willing to sell your soul for a little $$$

They will literally break a neck for money

 

[PedMaller]

They will literally break a neck for money

Late-term abortion?? Can’t be right…..libtards promise that never actually happens!

 

[BrianNole777]

The Massachusetts governor who signed the extreme abortion law today is Catholic

https://www.politico.com/newsletters/massachusetts-playbook/2024/05/16/when-healey-met-the-pope-00158298

 

[PedMaller]

Is this the first state with a law similar to this one? Couldn't you find lots of examples from other states?

Any mid/late term abortions without medical reason is too many.

Hopefully your daughter(s) hasn’t torn apart too many of your grandkids!