Are we about to wave the white flag vs. Iran?

[Huey Grey 2]

The reply was not to you, but to a lib who said the following, so it was on topic:

"Tump shouldn't be president. He is corrupt. He has made America worse. And he only cares about himself. You agree with all these points, correct?"

Nothing has made America worse than allowing millions of unvetted migrants into the country, including child traffickers. If you don't agree, name something worse.

The Trump admin is in the process of rescuing thousands of those children. Are you against that, lib?

Trump is engaging in child trafficking. Everyday he rips some poor kid away, throws them in a detention center, and then goes to play golf while they sleep on a concrete floor in a cage next to a bunch of other kids Trump had taken.

Trump was part of Epstein Island. You really thinks he sees kids as anything more than a commodity to exploit?

 

[Riveting]

That guy can work Biden into any conversation.

He came from the Purdue board to set ua Iowa librols straight. He's a total dork.

I never claimed anything about making you, Huey and many of the other libs "straight".

 

[tigres88]

DOJ, DHS, and HHS have located 146,000 unaccompanied minorsSmith thanks Trump Administration for commitment to protecting unaccompanied migrant children and combating human trafficking | U.S. Representative

I could absolutely rip this propaganda piece to shreds (anyone with a brain could) but its not worth it. You conspiracy theorists are a special kind of dumb

 

[Riveting]

STFU, Mr. Deflecto. Wrong thread for that.

Your party did that and never spoke out against it while it was happening. Now you want to pretend it didn't happen.

 

[Billanole.]

Your party did that and never spoke out against it while it was happening. Now you want to pretend it didn't happen.

Zzzz Go chew that bone in the corner… quietly.

 

[Riveting]

Trump is engaging in child trafficking. Everyday he rips some poor kid away, throws them in a detention center, and then goes to play golf while they sleep on a concrete floor in a cage next to a bunch of other kids Trump had taken.

Trump was part of Epstein Island. You really thinks he sees kids as anything more than a commodity to exploit?

Not to distract you with facts, but parents in the country illegally have to choice to take their kids with them when being deported. Their call.

 

[Huey Grey 2]

I never claimed anything about making you, Huey and many of the other libs "straight".

Cool. Default gay bashing because your arguments keep failing.

Trump blew up an entire school full of young girls and said those are the breaks afterwards. Trump doesn't care about kids. He raped kids. And honestly he doesn't care about you, either. He would sell you and your entire family for a new golf cart.

 

[Riveting]

I could absolutely rip this propaganda piece to shreds (anyone with a brain could) but its not worth it. You conspiracy theorists are a special kind of dumb

You're barely smart enough to read it, let alone rip it to shreds.

The Biden admin itself admitted this was happening in this 2024 report. See if you can rip that to shreds.

Management Alert - ICE Cannot Monitor All Unaccompanied Migrant Children Released from DHS and U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' Custody | Office of Inspector General

 

[baltimorened]

I am surprised at your unwillingness to call a tu*d a t*rd.
Sure there are two sides to every coin, so call it heads or tails, whatever lands up.
Just staking out a contrarian position is a non starter. We are watching the destruction or minimization of so much of our governing structure in this country, which then spreads world wide.
The Supreme Court is being weaponized by judges who are bought. Their Shadow Docket is worrisome. The House and Senate leadership is essentially the same. The Administration is a total clown show with a vindictive attitude.

Yeah, it looks like many of the HORT folks who came over are more liberal in beliefs. Contrast that with the “native” population that you must have gotten used to reading before the migration. Maybe we have caused you to take a look at “both sidz” for a change. It is healthy.

well if it's any consolation, They some of the leftists flaw 47, dpic 73 and others - were calling me both sides even before you got here.

And, I agree that looking at things from both sides of an issue is healthy, wish mre would do it.

But I don't agree with your statement that " we are watching the destruction or minimalization of so much of our government structure...." I just don't see. it. I posted a long time ago that Trump is a CEO, not a politician. CEO's don't necessarily follow all the rules and when they do, they push them to the envelope to see who will react and how. Trump has pushed things like the ballroom for example. He, or somebody on his staff knows you need Congressional authorization and appropriations for government money. Heck, even the most obtuse poster on here knows that. So he announces it - no reaction: he expands it - no reaction: then he tears down a wall - now there's a reaction. So someone sues, court stops the ballroom, Trump does what would be the next logical step...go to the supreme court. Same with tariffs....he imposes them based on some ancient ruling from somewhere, but when the supreme court rules against him, he backs away and refunds the money. So, whereas it would be better to follow the rules up front, he doesn't disregard the ultimate ruling.

A lot of you guys don't like Trump....people didn't like him when he came down the escalator in 2015. And he wouldn't be President if Democrats had put up a viable candidate - now you might disagree, but the voters went his way...same in 2024.

But, the system, insofar as Trump, is still working. What is not working is our overall system. In order to get things done, you need compromise....and that's absent from "both sides".

There will be another election in 2028. Trump will be gone, and likely, even though he'll have influence over the most loyal 'cultists", most will move on. Also as I've posted before, IMO the American people can only take 4 straight years of trump chaos.

Then we'll likely get a democrat President. And we'll see where that takes us. We've had greater problems than this in the last 70 years and made it through. We'll make it again this time.

I've also posted this before...you want to see government lies watch the Youtube Video "Vietnam: the turning point". That will highlight a country in much greater crisis than today and government lies - from both Democrat and Republican administrations - that make Trump look like an altar boy in comparison.

Now you bring up an administration with a vindictive attitude. Well, I've already seen articles quoting Democrat rank and file talking about how they're going to go after both politicians, supporters and companies that have supported trump. So I'll submit the vindictiveness doesn't appear ready to be put in the rear view mirror.

If we're all sincere about the future, all of this nonsense has to stop. We need a government working for the people.

 

[Riveting]

Cool. Default gay bashing because your arguments keep failing.

Trump blew up an entire school full of young girls and said those are the breaks afterwards. Trump doesn't care about kids. He raped kids. And honestly he doesn't care about you, either. He would sell you and your entire family for a new golf cart.

If Trumped raped kids, it would have been a dem talking point in 2016, 20 and 24.

Why didn't you tell them?

 

[Huey Grey 2]

well if it's any consolation, They some of the leftists flaw 47, dpic 73 and others - were calling me both sides even before you got here.

And, I agree that looking at things from both sides of an issue is healthy, wish mre would do it.

But I don't agree with your statement that " we are watching the destruction or minimalization of so much of our government structure...." I just don't see. it. I posted a long time ago that Trump is a CEO, not a politician. CEO's don't necessarily follow all the rules and when they do, they push them to the envelope to see who will react and how. Trump has pushed things like the ballroom for example. He, or somebody on his staff knows you need Congressional authorization and appropriations for government money. Heck, even the most obtuse poster on here knows that. So he announces it - no reaction: he expands it - no reaction: then he tears down a wall - now there's a reaction. So someone sues, court stops the ballroom, Trump does what would be the next logical step...go to the supreme court. Same with tariffs....he imposes them based on some ancient ruling from somewhere, but when the supreme court rules against him, he backs away and refunds the money. So, whereas it would be better to follow the rules up front, he doesn't disregard the ultimate ruling.

A lot of you guys don't like Trump....people didn't like him when he came down the escalator in 2015. And he wouldn't be President if Democrats had put up a viable candidate - now you might disagree, but the voters went his way...same in 2024.

But, the system, insofar as Trump, is still working. What is not working is our overall system. In order to get things done, you need compromise....and that's absent from "both sides".

There will be another election in 2028. Trump will be gone, and likely, even though he'll have influence over the most loyal 'cultists", most will move on. Also as I've posted before, IMO the American people can only take 4 straight years of trump chaos.

Then we'll likely get a democrat President. And we'll see where that takes us. We've had greater problems than this in the last 70 years and made it through. We'll make it again this time.

I've also posted this before...you want to see government lies watch the Youtube Video "Vietnam: the turning point". That will highlight a country in much greater crisis than today and government lies - from both Democrat and Republican administrations - that make Trump look like an altar boy in comparison.

Now you bring up an administration with a vindictive attitude. Well, I've already seen articles quoting Democrat rank and file talking about how they're going to go after both politicians, supporters and companies that have supported trump. So I'll submit the vindictiveness doesn't appear ready to be put in the rear view mirror.

If we're all sincere about the future, all of this nonsense has to stop. We need a government working for the people.

So you admit that Trump doesn't care about our laws or constitution and thinks he's free to do whatever he wants. And you excuse this lawless treatment of the very foundation our country is based on because you think he's a CEO.

You're a fascist, dude. Fascists don't believe in laws. They don't believe in democracies. And your CEO comment confirms that you think this is how Trump's believes his power is as president. And you're apparently okay with it. Why are you even living in America if this is your view?

 

[Huey Grey 2]

If Trumped raped kids, it would have been a dem talking point in 2016, 20 and 24.

Why didn't you tell them?

It has been everyone's talking point. He's in the Epstein files more than Harry Potter is in the Harry Potter series.

 

[Billanole.]

well if it's any consolation, They some of the leftists flaw 47, dpic 73 and others - were calling me both sides even before you got here.

And, I agree that looking at things from both sides of an issue is healthy, wish mre would do it.

But I don't agree with your statement that " we are watching the destruction or minimalization of so much of our government structure...." I just don't see. it. I posted a long time ago that Trump is a CEO, not a politician. CEO's don't necessarily follow all the rules and when they do, they push them to the envelope to see who will react and how. Trump has pushed things like the ballroom for example. He, or somebody on his staff knows you need Congressional authorization and appropriations for government money. Heck, even the most obtuse poster on here knows that. So he announces it - no reaction: he expands it - no reaction: then he tears down a wall - now there's a reaction. So someone sues, court stops the ballroom, Trump does what would be the next logical step...go to the supreme court. Same with tariffs....he imposes them based on some ancient ruling from somewhere, but when the supreme court rules against him, he backs away and refunds the money. So, whereas it would be better to follow the rules up front, he doesn't disregard the ultimate ruling.

A lot of you guys don't like Trump....people didn't like him when he came down the escalator in 2015. And he wouldn't be President if Democrats had put up a viable candidate - now you might disagree, but the voters went his way...same in 2024.

But, the system, insofar as Trump, is still working. What is not working is our overall system. In order to get things done, you need compromise....and that's absent from "both sides".

There will be another election in 2028. Trump will be gone, and likely, even though he'll have influence over the most loyal 'cultists", most will move on. Also as I've posted before, IMO the American people can only take 4 straight years of trump chaos.

Then we'll likely get a democrat President. And we'll see where that takes us. We've had greater problems than this in the last 70 years and made it through. We'll make it again this time.

I've also posted this before...you want to see government lies watch the Youtube Video "Vietnam: the turning point". That will highlight a country in much greater crisis than today and government lies - from both Democrat and Republican administrations - that make Trump look like an altar boy in comparison.

Now you bring up an administration with a vindictive attitude. Well, I've already seen articles quoting Democrat rank and file talking about how they're going to go after both politicians, supporters and companies that have supported trump. So I'll submit the vindictiveness doesn't appear ready to be put in the rear view mirror.

If we're all sincere about the future, all of this nonsense has to stop. We need a government working for the people.

Nobody is gonna make you acknowledge the damage being done. You are dug in deep. As a kid, I watched the news, just like you, …
I listened to the nightly “body count” news during the Nam, mostly during the administration of one of the other Presidents who were impeached. Give Tricky Dick credit for stepping down.
I watched the coverage of heads getting cracked at the Democratic Convention and now compare that to January 6th.
I watched coverage of college kids shot on campus by the National Guard and now think of ICE officers killing people on the streets.

If you can’t figure it out, Ned, you are willingly compliant. The Cheeto guy is not only destroying systems and norms, he is bankrupting us and robbing us blind.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I can't believe we're on day 2 of this dude making shi t up and talking out his as s in this thread

Yes you can lol

 

[tigres88]

You're barely smart enough to read it, let alone rip it to shreds.

The Biden admin itself admitted this was happening in this 2024 report. See if you can rip that to shreds.

Management Alert - ICE Cannot Monitor All Unaccompanied Migrant Children Released from DHS and U.S. Department of Health and Human Services' Custody | Office of Inspector General

Lol, this is much better than the propaganda piece you sent earlier.

That OIG doc is fantastic, maybe you should read it- but there is a MASSIVE difference between legitimate issues of the federal government keeping track of migrant children through administrative issues and systemic failures, and leaping to a conspiracy theory of "300,000 children lost or unaccounted for by Biden" because of "weak and negligent open border policies."

Methinks you need to learn what is propaganda and what's not cuz this wasn't a gotcha at all. It just makes you look stupid

 

[tigres88]

Yes you can lol

got me there lol

 

[Riveting]

It has been everyone's talking point. He's in the Epstein files more than Harry Potter is in the Harry Potter series.

Point to where dems used it against Trump in 16, 20, and/or 24.

 

[Riveting]

Lol, this is much better than the propaganda piece you sent earlier.

That OIG doc is fantastic, maybe you should read it- but there is a MASSIVE difference between legitimate issues of the federal government keeping track of migrant children through administrative issues and systemic failures, and leaping to a conspiracy theory of "300,000 children lost or unaccounted for by Biden" because of "weak and negligent open border policies."

Methinks you need to learn what is propaganda and what's not cuz this wasn't a gotcha at all. It just makes you look stupid

I didn't say the number 300,000. The OIG did.

In other words, you are not troubled that they lost track of thousands of migrant kids.

 

[Riveting]

Nobody is gonna make you acknowledge the damage being done. You are dug in deep.

Nobody is gonna make you acknowledge the massive damage done to the nation by allowing millions of unvetted migrants to enter the country - including trafficked children, women and slaves, and mass entry of drugs.

You voted for and supported that.

 

[tigres88]

I didn't say the number 300,000. The OIG did.

In other words, you are not troubled that they lost track of thousands of migrant kids.

lol you're literally talking about backlogs in court paperwork and missed court dates and trying to spin it into some weird conspiracy theory. You're not going to win this fight using propaganda and conspiracies, they never hold water

 

[tigres88]

Nobody is gonna make you acknowledge the massive damage done to the nation by allowing millions of unvetted migrants to enter the country - including trafficked children, women and slaves, and mass entry of drugs.

You voted for and supported that.

Because you're just making shi t up with zero facts to back up your blanket statements

 

[Billanole.]

lol you're literally talking about backlogs in court paperwork and missed court dates and trying to spin it into some weird conspiracy theory. You're not going to win this fight using propaganda and conspiracies, they never hold water.

 

[tigres88]

That can’t be true, ‘cause your dear leader came into office claiming he would reform immigration. Quick like. Fast. Soon.

He did that, right?
Wrong thread, little one. You are one hard headed thing, that is obvious for all to see.

 

[Billanole.]

Nobody is gonna make you acknowledge the massive damage done to the nation by allowing millions of unvetted migrants to enter the country - including trafficked children, women and slaves, and mass entry of drugs.

You voted for and supported that.

That can’t be true, ‘cause your dear leader came into office claiming he would reform immigration. Quick like. Fast. Soon.

He did that, right?
Wrong thread, little one. There is nothing in your post about Iran.
You are one hard headed thing, that is obvious for all to see.

 

[Riveting]

So you have no concerns that thousands of unaccompanied children allowed into the country under Biden's border policies were used in the sex trade.

 

[Riveting]

Because you're just making shi t up with zero facts to back up your blanket statements

You are now saying that allowing millions of unvetted migrants into the country did no harm, right?

 

[Billanole.]

Sorry, my bad. Hopefully my edit worked.

 

[Riveting]

That can’t be true, ‘cause your dear leader came into office claiming he would reform immigration. Quick like. Fast. Soon.

He did that, right?
Wrong thread, little one. There is nothing in your post about Iran.
You are one hard headed thing, that is obvious for all to see.

Trump reformed it really fast by sealing the border in about two weeks. Did they not mention that on ms. now?

 

[TheValley91]

Isn't this thread supposed to be about how the US has completely botched the Iran situation and Trump wants to give up?

 

[tigres88]

You are now saying that allowing millions of unvetted migrants into the country did no harm, right?

What I'm saying is that, a): you got completely wrecked on the topic of this thread so you've changed the topic to getting wrecked on a different one, and b): the blatant xenophobia and racism that your movement embodies is gross and is underscored by another conspiracy theory that "biden had an open border policy that allowed significantly more immigrants into the country than other administrations and that has caused irreparable harm to the country."

That is all a lie and propaganda you cling to- I'm happy to post the number (again, I've done it multiple times in the past 2 years) if you'd like.

 

[tigres88]

Isn't this thread supposed to be about how the US has completely botched the Iran situation and Trump wants to give up?

yes, but a conspiracy theorist maga boi lost that fight so he tried a different topic to divert to. He's losing that one too

 

[pjhawk]

Can folks please not let the MAGA deflector bot wreck this Iran War thread?

Pretty please?

 

[Riveting]

What I'm saying is that, a): you got completely wrecked on the topic of this thread so you've changed the topic to getting wrecked on a different one, and b): the blatant xenophobia and racism that your movement embodies is gross and is underscored by another conspiracy theory that "biden had an open border policy that allowed significantly more immigrants into the country than other administrations and that has caused irreparable harm to the country."

That is all a lie and propaganda you cling to- I'm happy to post the number (again, I've done it multiple times in the past 2 years) if you'd like.

Go ahead and post it. I have not seen it.

The claim is not that Biden allowed more immigrants, but rather more unvetted immigrants.

 

[Riveting]

yes, but a conspiracy theorist maga boi lost that fight so he tried a different topic to divert to. He's losing that one too

Keep telling yourself that so you don't feel as dense as you actually are.

 

[Billanole.]

Well, right on time, Bibi has another distraction for dear leader.

Israel rejects Trump's 15-point plan for Gaza, Netanyahu says

Israel's PM says its military will not pull out from Gaza until Hamas is "genuinely" disarmed.

www.bbc.com

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected US President Donald Trump's 15-point plan for Gaza, stating that no military pull-out will happen until Hamas is "genuinely" disarmed.
Trump's Board of Peace said last month it had reached an agreement for the "complete disarmament" of Hamas and other armed groups in Gaza.
But Hamas said handing over its heavy weapons was contingent on Israel ending "all forms of aggression" and withdrawing its forces from Gaza.
Israel has continued to carry out strikes on Gaza since agreeing to an initial ceasefire in the territory last October.
"Israel rejects the 15-point document," Netanyahu said at a cabinet meeting on Sunday.
The Israeli military "will not carry out any withdrawal until Hamas is genuinely disarmed and will continue to thwart threats against our forces and our citizens", he added.
A Hamas official told the BBC on Sunday the group "reaffirms it commitment" to the agreement and it was ready "to engage seriously and responsibly in implementing" the 15-point plan.
They called on mediators to ensure "that all parties comply with what has been agreed".
ADVERTISEMENT

 

[baltimorened]

Nobody is gonna make you acknowledge the damage being done. You are dug in deep. As a kid, I watched the news, just like you, …
I listened to the nightly “body count” news during the Nam, mostly during the administration of one of the other Presidents who were impeached. Give Tricky Dick credit for stepping down.
I watched the coverage of heads getting cracked at the Democratic Convention and now compare that to January 6th.
I watched coverage of college kids shot on campus by the National Guard and now think of ICE officers killing people on the streets.

If you can’t figure it out, Ned, you are willingly compliant. The Cheeto guy is not only destroying systems and norms, he is bankrupting us and robbing us blind.

well, I watched from the inside of an attack helicopter.....

Sorry, you guys love to rant about trump...you don't like him...great. I'll bet you though (figuratively) that at then of Trump's term, the country is still here, we will still be arguing over whose fault it is that we have $40trillion in debt, you'll be saying trump and others will be saying democrats. A lot of these are the same arguments that went on during the=the Obama years, the trump 1 and Biden. Just people from different sides of the aise saying them.

If you think I support Trump's Iran "excursion" or his tariffs than you are selectively reading my posts. I have also said that DOGE was a failure, just to name a few. But I like the prescription drug, trump kids accounts, border closing, deportation of undocumented migrants (not the ICE extremes) and some others.

I'm just not in the "end is near" approach as a lot of you. If you've lived through Vietnam, Nixon: the reagan years with the high inflation, Iran Contra : the Clinton years - I did not have sex with that woman- the whitewater, the pardons, the conflicts in Haiti, somalia, bosnia and kosovo : and I could go on, then I'm kind of surprised you're so concerned about today's environments....

people wanted to oust Johnson: Nixon resigned: there were two calls to impeach Reagan: Clinton was impeached: democrats called for Bush 2 to be impeached: and there was a resolution to impeach Obama.

You could look up all the military excursions taken by other presidents in the near past.....but since you're older than many on here you remember them.

You guys don't like Trump, I get it. I wouldn't invite him home for dinner. I think he's narcistic, hard headed, and pushes the envelope, does too much at one time and runs a chaotic government. But I'm pretty sure that at the end of of his term, the country, it's government and our systems will be intact.

Bankrupting the country? We were almost $38.5 trillion in debt when Trump took office in 2026. And trump is the one bankrupting the country? To quote a great President, "come on, man" If Trump is bankrupting the country he's following in the footsteps of his predecessors. In fact his additions to the debt are equal or less than Biden's at this point of their presidencies

No matter, Trump was elected by both a majority of American voters and won the Electoral College. Voters knew what they were going to get - chaos - and yet they rejected Harris in favor of trump.

Now I know the reaction, "you can't figure it out Ned, you're compliant". I figured it out a long time ago, Bit*hing and moaning on a message board is not going to change the situation. Might make you feel good but accomplishes nothing. Have you written your representative or senators yet? What are they doing? Go March in a no king rally, that will change things...oh wait we've had at least two of those, maybe the third time will be the charm and trump will resign. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Now if you only want to talk Iran, trump has botched this royally

 

[bdgan]

Trump is engaging in child trafficking. Everyday he rips some poor kid away, throws them in a detention center, and then goes to play golf while they sleep on a concrete floor in a cage next to a bunch of other kids Trump had taken.

Trump was part of Epstein Island. You really thinks he sees kids as anything more than a commodity to exploit?

You have no evidence that any of that is true. Seriously Huey, what's wrong with you?

 

[Ktrain1969]

The Trump admin is in the process of finding thousands of trafficked migrant children that Biden lost track of in the most shameful child exploitation humanitarian crises in our nation's history.

Libs like you ignore it has if it didn't happen.

The Trump admin is in the process of covering up thousands of sex crimes that people like you are ok with.

Cons like you ignore it as if it didn't happen.

And I didn't have a typo, beyotch.

 

[Fac]

Trump is engaging in child trafficking. Everyday he rips some poor kid away, throws them in a detention center, and then goes to play golf while they sleep on a concrete floor in a cage next to a bunch of other kids Trump had taken.

Trump was part of Epstein Island. You really thinks he sees kids as anything more than a commodity to exploit?

Your brain is fried. Maybe you shouldn't have done so many drugs in high school.

 

[Riveting]

The Trump admin is in the process of covering up thousands of sex crimes that people like you are ok with.

Cons like you ignore it as if it didn't happen.

And I didn't have a typo, beyotch.

Link some evidence if you have any, kidtrain.