As a University we should invest more in women’s sports

[ckDOG]

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No offense, but I don’t understand this loser poor us mentality. Look at Ole Miss, they are in the same state with comparable resources to us. I’d imagine they will be STRONGLY considered as part of a super conference. I can’t say the same for us right now. Maybe I’m delusional about it but I think we could do better than them. They actually have a smart administration that cares very much. I don’t think we do, sadly. We also have some real losers as fans… generally speaking. Many of these so called “fans” of MSU are ignorant and damn proud about it.

Yes because they are light years ahead of our football program not because they have a great women's basketball teams. If you're some ole miss troll that thinks it's edgy to get state fans to admit that, it's not. We've known we've fallen way behind in that regard for some time and you can LIGMA_BALLS.

 

[ronpolk]

That’s fair, let’s think about trends and where everything is going. I know we must also work with the here and now with that said. Softball viewership has blown past baseball at the collegiate level. Over the last 20 years you’re talking about 300-400% growth while baseball hasn’t grown at all. This trend will only continue. This is not some grand revelation. Where the eyeballs are where the money will be in the future.

If we want to talk about “personal happiness”… at the expense of the future of our school. That’s the equivalent of you saying “well watching guys roll around on the floor together makes me happy, we should only invest in wrestling…” is ridiculous and extremely counterproductive.

Let’s be real… there aren’t many state fans experiencing personal happiness about sports

 

[40 acres and a mule]

If you want dog South Carolina and their “women’s basketball first” approach. You may also be interested in knowing that their enrollment has increased by 34% over the last decade. Ole Miss has grown 33%. Care to guess how much MSU has grown with their crown jewel baseball program? Less than 10%. I’m not making this up. Baseball helps us next to ZERO. It actually sinks us when we divert funds from sports that are actually growing and putting them into a sinking ship.

It will get worse for us if we continue to deploy our limited resources into something with no growth and next to no interest on a national scale. Facts are facts.

Ole Miss has grown because they accept any student who is not a cadaver. No, I don't want to be like them.

 

[3-2 Dawg]

I don’t have to “try” anything. I’m just stating facts. You can ignore them if you want it doesn’t matter to me.

You are not stating facts. You keep repeating your point that college baseball is dying. This is not a fact. Also the entire premise of taking nothing into account outside of recent television trends for decision making is simply dumb. Well done - the dedication and persistence of your trolling is second to none

 

[615dawg]

If you want dog South Carolina and their “women’s basketball first” approach. You may also be interested in knowing that their enrollment has increased by 34% over the last decade. Ole Miss has grown 33%. Care to guess how much MSU has grown with their crown jewel baseball program? Less than 10%. I’m not making this up. Baseball helps us next to ZERO. It actually sinks us when we divert funds from sports that are actually growing and putting them into a sinking ship.

It will get worse for us if we continue to deploy our limited resources into something with no growth and next to no interest on a national scale. Facts are facts.

South Carolina and Ole Miss growth have little to do with sports. They decided to invest in their Greek life. SC has the largest Panhellenic rush in the country. Ole Miss is not far behind. State is the second smallest in the SEC (Vanderbilt).

All those out of state kids flocking to the SEC are ignoring State. We don’t even have the most popular major in the country right now (Nursing). Keenum has let our academics go to ****. He has let our parking go to ****. He has let our student life go to ****. And we all are aware of what he’s done to our athletic department.

 

[dawgman42]

Sigma, found your missing avatar (you're welcome)....

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

Women's sports have grown tremendously over the past decade because it was absolutely abysmal. So now it has some interest which is a huge increase. And good for them. The question is will it continue to grow like it has from nothing to something or are we about at the plateau of what it will always be. I vote plateau. Especially when almost all they talk about is the divisive politics of it.

You listen to any national sports talk and they do not discuss the scores or leading scorers in a game. They talk about how they mess up communications, how owners yell at fans, oh and green dildoes.

 

[msudawg1200]

Not no, but heeeeeccccck no!!!!

 

[sigma_dawg]

Women's sports have grown tremendously over the past decade because it was absolutely abysmal. So now it has some interest which is a huge increase. And good for them. The question is will it continue to grow like it has from nothing to something or are we about at the plateau of what it will always be. I vote plateau. Especially when almost all they talk about is the divisive politics of it.

You listen to any national sports talk and they do not discuss the scores or leading scorers in a game. They talk about how they mess up communications, how owners yell at fans, oh and green dildoes.

I disagree, women are a lot more beautiful and are proven to be far better at selling a product. Most guys are not homosexual and deep down do not like watching other guys flop around with each other, cry, complain, etc which is extremely commonplace in men’s sports. Times change and many things that used to not be socially acceptable are very mainstream and encouraged now. The money will soon follow.

Im so sorry if you prefer watching other guys and do not like the way society is trending. The way you feel about it isn’t going to change anything.

 

[Bulldog Bruce]

I disagree, women are a lot more beautiful and are proven to be far better at selling a product. Most guys are not homosexual and deep down do not like watching other guys flop around with each other, cry, complain, etc which is extremely commonplace in men’s sports. Times change and many things that used to not be socially acceptable are very mainstream and encouraged now. The money will soon follow.

Im so sorry if you prefer watching other guys and do not like the way society is trending. The way you feel about it isn’t going to change anything.

You neither. That's a bold statement that men watch men's sports due to latent homosexuality. You are Nuckin' Futs.

And you proved you are too dumb for me to respond anymore.

 

[sigma_dawg]

You neither. That's a bold statement that men watch men's sports due to latent homosexuality. You are Nuckin' Futs.

Think about what you are doing. Im the most sane and honest person here and you saying otherwise makes you look completely foolish. I talk about FACTS and obviously that doesn’t sit well with you. Everything I describe is an absolutely WONDERFUL thing. A normal person would be absolutely thrilled to see other people succeed at what they do. A mentally sick, extremely insecure person would like to see them fail. I know where I stand.

I never said baseball has failed, I said it isn’t growing anywhere near the same extent as women’s sports. FACT. 10x the amount of people PREFER watching women’s basketball to college baseball. FACT. College softball has become more popular among the masses than college baseball. FACT. Again, this is all a WONDERFUL thing.

 

[Seinfeld]

I disagree, women are a lot more beautiful and are proven to be far better at selling a product. Most guys are not homosexual and deep down do not like watching other guys flop around with each other, cry, complain, etc which is extremely commonplace in men’s sports. Times change and many things that used to not be socially acceptable are very mainstream and encouraged now. The money will soon follow.

Im so sorry if you prefer watching other guys and do not like the way society is trending. The way you feel about it isn’t going to change anything.

The irony in someone trying attach a heterosexual label to either the WNBA or women’s softball is quite hysterical. Thanks for that

 

[sigma_dawg]

The irony in someone trying attach a heterosexual label to either the WNBA or women’s softball is quite hysterical. Thanks for that

You’re welcome. It brings me a lot of joy that you approve.

 

[graddawg]

Seems like a very level headed and honest take without childish name calling of a 5 year old. I believe any discussion should focus primarily on national tv ratings as that is what draws exposure to prospective students. It should NOT be centered on what makes a few of our alumni feel good. I don’t see where 600,000 tuning into a baseball game, primarily by our own alumni and the other team alumni is a better or more sound investment strategy than say 12 million tuning into our women’s basketball team playing University of Texas in a tournament game. We can agree to disagree on that.

Come one, man. Your alleged viewership numbers would required a Final 4 appearance. We did that--what was the lasting impact on our university?

 

[graddawg]

We are talking about two different things. Television viewership is EVERYTHING. It feeds into enrollment, alumni giving, what we as a university can bring to the table. When conference realignment happens… the bigs aren’t going to give a flying **** that our baseball program operated at a $600,000 profit that nobody outside of a portion of MSU tunes in to. Where the eyeballs are where our value is . Back to my original point, college baseball is such an afterthought to the masses. It means next to NOTHING in the grand scheme. May as well invest in our chess and pickleball teams. At least pickleball is growing.

Once again, we are BEYOND stupid to invest in it. Even moreso when these funds could be invested in worthwhile pursuits… BEYOND stupid.

Please provide actual proof that success in WBK--with its viewership--leads to increased enrollment or giving. We played in two straight championship games, so this should be easy for you.

 

[sigma_dawg]

Please provide actual proof that success in WBK--with its viewership--leads to increased enrollment or giving. We played in two straight championship games, so this should be easy for you.

I don’t have anything concrete for you. I think it is common sense that winning in an event with 18 million people watching (womens basketball) would bring more positive publicity for the university than 2 million watching (college baseball).

I can absolutely tell you one approach that does NOT work and that is investing in baseball. We won a national championship and invest HEAVILY in it, yet we lag FAR behind the rest of the conference in enrollment and giving. We’re near dead last in SEC in terms of growth and alumni giving. You think we are running optimally? Truth be told we are at the armpit of the conference with this approach.

I offer some proposals that would undoubtedly be helpful yet many of our own “fans” would rather see us fail. It’s no wonder we suck so bad if many of the opinions here are indicative of our overall fanbase. Loserville USA. It’s embarrassing.

 

[olblue]

Think about what you are doing. Im the most sane and honest person here and you saying otherwise makes you look completely foolish. I talk about FACTS and obviously that doesn’t sit well with you.

This doesn’t help your campaign for sanity and honesty.

 

[HotMop]

Football obviously pays the bills and should be priority #1. It gets most exposure by far. If we don’t invest HEAVILY in it, and decide oh well we are poor little MSU and have no chance… this is what EVERYONE will see and associate us with... being a loser. Crazy that it doesn’t stop Ole Miss from succeeding.

That aside, if we move down the list and start discussing other sports. Men’s and women’s basketball at the collegiate level are becoming very close in terms of exposure. 2a/2b

Softball has surpassed baseball at the collegiate level and is only gaining serious momentum while baseball flails.

Let’s be smart about this. Even if we win the next 20 baseball national championships, nobody except an extreme minority even cares or knows about it. It doesn’t promote MSU or progress us forward AT ALL to the masses.

We can discuss ratings and trends. It’s truly sad the state we are in as a fanbase. Few are excited about football. Season tickets have plummeted. Stadium will likely be half full at best all year except when Alabama fills it up.

Sad to use them as a measuring stick, but Ole Miss is in serious playoff/heisman conversation. They’re in the same state with the same resources. Far better administration, obviously.

It sucks, but thinking of the future and trends and ratings… we are SINKING this university by investing in baseball. We’d be far better off pouring into softball which actually has a future. Football should be top priority for forseeable future. Thoughts?

I'll bite, dump more money into this hotties with 1.8 million followers.