If the Morris coach was a bad example feel free to insert another coach in there. But really, would they want that responsibility, that pressure? or are they pretty satisfied with hanging back and playing the hand they are dealt with their schools? Its almost like the saying "More money more problems". Like you said, it's a full time job dealing with all he has to deal with.
Where are you getting your information that most private football players are not paying full tuition? That is obviously something that you completely made up and you have no specific knowledge of. If so, rather than make something up, give us an example. I coached at two separate vey successful ccl schools both with multiple state championships for more than 15 years and that was not the case. Those who did not pay full tuition had to apply for and satisfy the same criteria for financial aid every other student. Many prospective students, athletes and non-athletes, did not attend those schools since, even with financial aid, the cost was not financially viable for the family. In either event, even if certain student athletes do qualify for financial aid, what are you suggesting exactly?
Based on basketball I dont know if thats true, but I understand the sentiment. They would just throw flags until you lost in the playoffs.
Please post your evidence? My son went Ignatius and played football. Believe me we paid full tuition. Catholic schools tend to use third party companies to give out financial way in a need blind way.
You think so? It would just force kids to go closer to home if they want to play sports. It might actually help private schools stay open. The more that I think about it, it may even level out some of the talent accumulation at certain schools.
You did lose but you also had more D1 players on every single roster in those games you listed. So yes, you lost with more talented rosters which kind of undercuts your own argument.
My suggestion for a reduced boundary was just for sports and would also include a population density aspect. Reduce the boundary for Chicago area teams to 15 miles if you want to play sports, but those schools can still draw the remainder of their student body from a 30 mile, or greater radius.
Not in the past two years. Thats coaching to have that talent advantage and lose.
False news. Your just assuming. Many of those teams they lost too were loaded, couple of Illinois Player of the Years on those rosters of teams who beat us. I'll go back when I have enough time and through some of the big names on those teams but I'm exhausted from yesterday's debates
. But please keep in mind that in Lenti's 35 years he obviously had numerous D1 players but they weren't overflowing like they have now. He would maybe have 1 or 2 on each team, honestly sometimes none. 1988 State Champions had ZERO from their senior class. They had tough hardnose players who played perfectly into Lentis system. This large amount of D1 has been really been this past couple seasons due to the success Lynch has had, but until now the 2019 State team had 3 D1, only 1 from the Senior class, 2022 had 2 from the Senior Class....2023 had 4.....2024 had 2....last years senior class had 5....it's really this current class and nexts years class that has about 20 players...but historically they've not had the loaded teams you would think just well coached players. Many did play D2, D3 and NAIA.
Mark Vander KooiI love the "well we lost that game that one time" argument. Stop making it seem like this is a recent anomaly. Yes, public schools have won the majority of the titles, as they should; they make up 85% of the IHSA member schools. Since the beginning, in 1974 there have been 348 state champions crowned across all classes in football and private schools account for 126 titles. So only 15% of the schools are responsible for 36% of the championships. Doesn't matter what decade, it's not new.
I believe you were the one who brought up the Phil Jackson example, so what's your answer? Is it the coach or the players? Evanston and Minooka are 8A schools, so there's plenty of kids in the building, who are regular playoff teams, so hardly rags to riches. 5 rings and 3 undefeated seasons is absolutely incredible, but the question will always linger as to whether he could do it without an all star team. I love how the other coaches you mention also only coached in the CCL. What about coaches like Mike Noll or Larry McKeon who had success at multiple schools with just kids from the district or coaches like Reents who makes his system work with whoever gets off the bus and not bringing in kids that fit his system.
Find me a coach listed in the link that had success in the CCL and at a public school.
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Byron has been truly elite - especially during the Caden Considine years, but they did catch and beat Montini pre-Izzy and when the Broncos were just starting to recover from their worst couple year stretch in decades. “3A sized” Montini right now would be among the favorites in 5A and probably beyond.
Huh?
They were right there in Izzy’s first year as well and would have been right there last year as well.
The 2006 MC team that lost to WWS had 4 starters go D1 and their best player the QB went D2, 95% of the school the state don't produce that many D1 players in 15 years yet alone on 1 team. You act like only having 1 or 2 D1 players a year when Lenti was the coach is not a big deal, believe me its a big deal.False news. Your just assuming. Many of those teams they lost too were loaded, couple of Illinois Player of the Years on those rosters of teams who beat us. I'll go back when I have enough time and through some of the big names on those teams but I'm exhausted from yesterday's debates
And we got our behinds whipped badly by WWS and the Illinois Player of the Year Dan Dierking, who obviously went D1.
Given how Byron's title game went last year I don't think a game against Montini would have been close.
Yes, that is poor coaching by Montini to have that much of a talent advantage and lose then have a 1 point win over Byron. Hats off to Byron yes, but hats on to Montini.Huh?
They’ve played 2 outstanding games the past three years and the game Byron lost was by by 1.
Therefor, your arguement is
Morgan Park for sure. It is a neighborhood school with a boundary. Ag is a selective enrollment school, so they can get kids from all over the city if they qualify.
When Phillips was really rolling, they were run by a charter. The same that charter that ran Solario Academy. They were not run by CPS. Charters have the ability to admit/reject anyone, and they also can compensate coaches/teachers differently than CPS. They are not run by the charter anymore... not exactly a coincidence that they have dropped off a bit. Simeon is a Career Academy, which makes them selective enrollment. No comment on their enrollment criteria. Granted, many CPL schools are selective enrollment, (military academies, medical programs, career academies) so kids can move to those programs if they qualify. Again, no comment on the criteria for admission. Schools like Taft, Morgan Park, Mather, etc... are neighborhood schools. Attendance boundaries matter. If those schools have selective enrollment programs like IB, then students can apply for those from around the city.
I would have been Morgan Park and if everyone zoned for MP went their they would be State Champions multiple times for the last 50 years. But I'm assuming you grew up the same way I did, but just the North Side version and that was going to a public school, whether grade school or high school was never an option for me as my parents were off the boat Irish and extremely devout Catholics and I was going to a Catholic school whether I was good at sports or not
. And that was the same deal for 99% of the South Side neighborhoods as most were city workers and most were devout Catholic. I'm living in the same boat now, I'm forced to live in Chicago and I'm not insane Catholic as my parents were God Bless their Souls but I'm practicing for sure as is my wife and we've sent all of our kids through Catholic Schools and it wasn't an option for them either.
Yeah I see so many Charter Schools all over now I was confused to the differences, but thank you for clarifying.
You’re losing your argument here. I’m not a hater of private schools but a junior who going to a power 4/5 school is going to stand out as well. Look at last year, I don’t know of another school in Illinois that has had 14-15(that’s me estimating, I don’t know the actual number) high d1 kids starting for them. Don’t just use senior class, juniors going to high d1 schools are ridiculously talented in high school football.False news. Your just assuming. Many of those teams they lost too were loaded, couple of Illinois Player of the Years on those rosters of teams who beat us. I'll go back when I have enough time and through some of the big names on those teams but I'm exhausted from yesterday's debates
Your only real argument here is Mike Fitzgerald. He went from Marist to York and won at York too. I don’t think the other three are at the level of Fitzgerald. Fitzgerald is legit and that was another name that crossed my mind.
Not losing it all. I stated the that the uptick in D1 players has been over the past couple seasons but before that MC had nothing like what they have now as far as D1 players. Going back to the 80's with all there success they didn't have these many players with these many offers and that goes up to just a couple seasons ago.
So you are going to tell me Justin Scott paid tuition at Ignatius? I said most players are not, a good portion are paying full tuition. Iggy is a little different situation because it costs way more than most private schools. “Third party” companies lol, I have coached football at both private and public schools and have had my own kids in both. I know how it works.
No guarantees, but it sure helps when your recruiting area is a population of roughly 2.5 million people.
Per MC's website 80% of students receive some sort of financial assistance. I'm guessing the football team isn't the 20% paying full price.
If I'm remembering right Justin Scott didn't even start playing football until he went to Ignatius or so I'm told. Honestly with other schools your argument holds water but not with Iggy. They rarely recruit anyone and they are the stingiest with any aid. Your paying there, even with Aid it's more expensive then most other schools. They are extremely strict with this.
You go on MCs website more then families do. Kinda odd.
