The obvious answer is what we see in every other sport with replay: the refs are gonna swallow their whistles for a few extra seconds and let replay figure it out.
As a fan, which NCAA loss left the biggest bruise?
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When DT lost to Bubba, I was a brand new Penn State fan and not very invested in the team. I had never followed NCAA wrestling before. I loved the result because I love an underdog story. And Bubba seemed like such a likable guy in his interviews. He talked about breaking somebody’s brand new phenomenon toy. I also love good metaphors!
A buddy of mine wrestled at the same weight as Andy Matter and was his teammate during his time at PSU. Although he admits he is biased, he maintains that Andy was one of the best to ever wrestle at PSU.
See my previous post above - I was there when it happened. Also, some guy named Larry Owings who was not very well known to most of us from the Eastern US won OW that same tournament.
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I'm not going to argue with the assessments of Andy Matter given my screen name.
I voted MM/Carr. It sure looked to me like MM was going become the second undefeated 4-timer. To lose the finals because of an individual and collective brain fart was just brutal. He had Carr for the taking.
I voted "Other" for two matches - DT/Dake in the finals and Kolat/Babak Mohammadi in the 1994 semi-finals. I thought Penn State had a shot to win the team title in 1994, but that loss shut the door on the possibility. Plus it led to Kolat leaving PSU.
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I voted MM/Carr. It sure looked to me like MM was going become the second undefeated 4-timer. To lose the finals because of an individual and collective brain fart was just brutal. He had Carr for the taking.
I voted "Other" for two matches - DT/Dake in the finals and Kolat/Babak Mohammadi in the 1994 semi-finals. I thought Penn State had a shot to win the team title in 1994, but that loss shut the door on the possibility. Plus it led to Kolat leaving PSU.
BAD TIMING: Could Penn State have won a championship in 1996 if the Nittany Lions had Kolat and McCoy in their line-up? - WIN Magazine
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Thank you for posting this… I always wondered why CK transferred out… now I understand.I'm not going to argue with the assessments of Andy Matter given my screen name.
I voted MM/Carr. It sure looked to me like MM was going become the second undefeated 4-timer. To lose the finals because of an individual and collective brain fart was just brutal. He had Carr for the taking.
I voted "Other" for two matches - DT/Dake in the finals and Kolat/Babak Mohammadi in the 1994 semi-finals. I thought Penn State had a shot to win the team title in 1994, but that loss shut the door on the possibility. Plus it led to Kolat leaving PSU.
BAD TIMING: Could Penn State have won a championship in 1996 if the Nittany Lions had Kolat and McCoy in their line-up? - WIN Magazine
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For me it is Bo losing to Myles Martin. He was just so superior but was a little sloppy and couldn't catch Martin once he got on the bike. Bo should have been an easy four-timer.
Not winning a title in his first 2 years was devastating, but Cary was picked up by the campus police passed out on Pattee's steps. That was pretty much the straw that broke the camel's back. During his time at Lock Haven he still spent a whole lot of time wrestling around and working out with the PSU guys.
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One of my votes went for Morgan MacIntosh. He was an unsung figure who seemed to be a ‘tweener’ and sacrificially wrestled where the team may have needed him most. A nicer, more laid back kind of guy one can’t imagine. Plus he reminded me of Micky Dolenz, the drummer for the Monkees.
You hate to see it but you see it all the time. Just think about Penn State. You have the Alton twins, Gulibon, Howard, etc. Hard to come in with the expectation that you are going to be a multiple time champ, and you leave with none.Talk about the crushing weight of high expectations.
I was under the impression that that (the intoxication episode) had happened sometime during his freshman year.
There may have been one his freshman year, but the library steps episode was post soph season.
Who hasn't passed out on the library steps though?
As a student or as an employee?
After a long night of studying, of course.
Cardale Jones.
Unfortunately, Cael and Casey had not yet arrived on the scene and weren’t available to carry Cary back to the dorms.
Dayton Fix always comes to my mind as a poster child for unmet expectations. There was plenty of chatter about him being a 4-timer coming off a 168-0 high school record, 4 state titles, junior Hodge winner, cadet and junior world titles, multiple age-group world teams, etc. To come away with zero natties at OKST certainly was unexpected for many.
I wasn't judging, just pointing out what may have been a timing coincidence between incident and transfer. I don’t think I ever passed out an Pattee's steps, but several other PSU locations maybe.
More likely several hours after taking a 4 hour mid-term.
My dad and I went to Pattee once back then on a Sunday Morning for a reason I do not recall. I kid you not: Cary and Sunnie were supporting each other arm-over-shoulder as they swerved their way up the deserted mall, belting out the Star Spangled Banner at the top of their lungs. I can’t say if it was a frequent thing they did or if it lead to Cary passing out in the bushes. But that is burned in my memory. I was probably 14 or 15.
I picked Bo losing the Miles Martin for one, messing brink, losing the car number two and PJ Duke losing to Robineau third . Bold would've been an easy four-time and his four-time would've been before potentially messing Brinks. Miss Brink could've been an undefeated for time so that one stinks, and I thought Duke just got robbed. Bad call, a bad time to stop that match.
I picked Marky because he seems like an awesome dude who I wish some things had gone differently for, and I can’t stand zahid. Mark seems to be happy and doing well.
For many, PJ’s hurts most because he won the match and was denied a shot at a likely NC. The others, while heartbreaking, were actual losses.
I trust PJ will use his “loss” as his motivation to wrestle with a consistent edge this year. Bonus everybody. Go for the fall. His B1G10 win vs. Taylor is a great example of how a super focused PJ is an unstoppable PJ.
I gave this a laugh for talk-to-text.
Taylor loss to Bubba was tough. DT beats him probably 9 out of 10 times. I actually think Jenkins was looking for that opportunity.
The MM match against Carr is now a true heartbreaker. Not just the potential of the history but also the lack of understanding of the net score by all of those involved.
The MM match against Carr is now a true heartbreaker. Not just the potential of the history but also the lack of understanding of the net score by all of those involved.
IMO the ones where a Penn Stater misses out on a potential/likely opportunity for only one hurts the most. Beau losing to Mendez in the finals when Beau had him dead to rights still stings. He had a legit shot the next year as well and couldn’t ride Mendez for another 5 seconds but that one I was not convinced he would win and still would have had to wrestle the final. Van Ness is one of my all time favorite wrestlers and while he still has another shot, his loss was crushing. If not for all the blood timeouts and another 5 seconds at the end of the 2nd period I think SVN wins. Shoulda woulda coulda. Long winded post way of saying 1) SVN to Valencia ; 2) Beau to Mendez in finals for me. Maybe some recency bias but not many PSU wrestlers have only one 2nd place and no titles on their resumes.
Not picking on you. I've seen this comment several times and can't go along with it.
Taylor wrestled tentatively for 1.5 periods, right up until he took a less-than-committed shot that Jenkins turned into a cradle. At the time, I thought it was room familiarity, Bubba knowing Taylor's tricks and training specifically for that match.
And then 2 years later we saw Taylor wrestle tentatively against Dake, even after scoring the initial takedown. Dake had some familiarity, but not the better part of a year training together like Jenkins.
Whatever the reason, Taylor wrestled tentatively in 2 different national finals matches. Probably not a coincidence that those were the 2 best opponents he faced in 4 NCAA tournaments. So I can't agree that 157-165 Taylor would've beaten a highly-motivated, returning national finalist Jenkins 9 out of 10 times. 86 kg Taylor, different story, by then he had figured out whatever held him back.
I rewatched the match after your post and agree with your assessment of Taylor being tenative. The 9 out 10 times is probably wrong. I'll change it to Taylor beats Jenkins a majority of times (6 out of 10)
There was no doubt that Jenkins was looking for Cradle and probably hit it on DT a few times in practice. Hence Taylor being tenative on some shots.
What I didn't realize was neither wrestler came in as a top 2 seed. Taylor was seeded 3rd and Bubba 4th .
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