Inserra starts 2026 off
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I dont understand the debate. I want to type a long diatribe but Ill keep it short.
2 schools around the corner from each other: Mt. Carmel and Hyde Park HS. MC can legally bring in kids from Merrillville(IN), Monee, Bolingbrook, Maywood, Park Ridge and Skokie while Hyde Park gets kids from a 8 block radius.
Why would they ever compete for the same trophy? Answer me this(without the usual dog whistles about CPL, family structures, "just wanting it more" and other things that dont belong in this conversation).
2 schools around the corner from each other: Mt. Carmel and Hyde Park HS. MC can legally bring in kids from Merrillville(IN), Monee, Bolingbrook, Maywood, Park Ridge and Skokie while Hyde Park gets kids from a 8 block radius.
Why would they ever compete for the same trophy? Answer me this(without the usual dog whistles about CPL, family structures, "just wanting it more" and other things that dont belong in this conversation).
Things didn't go off the rails until IHSA let every transfer play immediately.
I live in Chicago and a neighbor blocks away had a Maine South Hawks gradute sign on his lawn last summer. Not sayin, just sayin'
Are you aware that CPS has literally zero boundaries other than the person has to live in ten city of Chicago…
Are you aware that to go to any CPS school outside of your assigned neighborhood school you need to test, that school needs to have an open seat, you need to apply, and be selected?
You can't just walk into any CPS school you want on day 1.
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You can if you score 25ppgAre you aware that to go to any CPS school outside of your assigned neighborhood school you need to test, that school needs to have an open seat, you need to apply, and be selected?
You can't just walk into any CPS school you want on day 1.
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. In all seriousness the amount of loop holes there is now to attend the CPS school of your choice is about as long as the 30 mile radius. Yes the selective enrollment schools like Whitney Young, Payton and others you have to test into but there is also so many schools designated as alternative schools, Military schools that the boundaries do not exist. Phillips and Simeon don't have boundaries due to their classifications and while you may have to meet a requirement to enter those schools, like many private or suburban public schools, if you want a specific student it's not really hard to get them into the school.I do know Kenwood did get caught doing something a couple years ago in basketball that made most their team ineligible but what length they went to I don't know but I do know jumping from one CPS school to the next is pretty commonly done.
Im just gonna leave these right here...
Maybe Coach should focus on his program following the rules instead of criticizing those that do follow the rules?
Any supensions/forfeited wins/discipline that I'm missing other than those in 2006, 2011, and 2023?
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Maybe Coach should focus on his program following the rules instead of criticizing those that do follow the rules?
Any supensions/forfeited wins/discipline that I'm missing other than those in 2006, 2011, and 2023?
IHSA forces Maine South to forfeit nine football games because of ineligible players
Maine South, one of the elite high school football programs in the state, will be forced to forfeit nine wins from the 2022 season and be placed on probation for the upcoming school year.
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Football | IHSA places Maine South on probation, suspends coach David Inserra for first game of 2011
Maine South head football coach Dave Inserra and assistant coach Rick Magsamen will serve one-game suspensions in Week 1 of the 2011 football season because of incidents involving sportsmanship and counterfeit sideline passes that took…
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In a botched attempt to motivate his team before its Class 6A state semifinal against Loyola in 1993, former Libertyville football coach Dale Christensen faked his shooting in the school cafeteria. The ploy led to his resignation. Earlier…
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That's the infuriating part about this is the person who is saying this has committed violations. Those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones....Im just gonna leave these right here...
Maybe Coach should focus on his program following the rules instead of criticizing those that do follow the rules?
Any supensions/forfeited wins/discipline that I'm missing other than those in 2006, 2011, and 2023?
IHSA forces Maine South to forfeit nine football games because of ineligible players
Maine South, one of the elite high school football programs in the state, will be forced to forfeit nine wins from the 2022 season and be placed on probation for the upcoming school year.
Football | IHSA places Maine South on probation, suspends coach David Inserra for first game of 2011
Maine South head football coach Dave Inserra and assistant coach Rick Magsamen will serve one-game suspensions in Week 1 of the 2011 football season because of incidents involving sportsmanship and counterfeit sideline passes that took…
Getting fired up
In a botched attempt to motivate his team before its Class 6A state semifinal against Loyola in 1993, former Libertyville football coach Dale Christensen faked his shooting in the school cafeteria. The ploy led to his resignation. Earlier…
Don't downplay the O.
O'Brien tried to write this story last season, but Cooney didn't take the bait.
I don't know if it is the same sign, but I saw a similar sign on one of the side streets, Chicago side, North East of Higgins and Canfield.
It pretty simple Chicago area privates should be limited to 15 miles, and the rest of the state should be 30 miles, you tie it to population density. You can attend any school you like but in order to be elgible for athletics you need to be in the radius.
For years on the board private school fans have argued that you shouldn't treat all the private schools the same since they aren't all the same and this would be a rule that definingly falls under that category.
You now have coaches actively recruiting off other teams' rosters with zero repercussions even when it's turned into school administrations. It crazy to me how people are so desperate to win that they will look at a 16-year-old kid that has gone to their camps for years and done everything they have asked of him only to think "we need to get a 1-year rental player next year to replace him."
It's really not much different than coaching a kid from youth football into high school and having him leave for a private school when his talent is at a premium.
If you are willing to pay the tuition there should be no mileage limits as to where you are coming from IMO. What if you are a legacy student? About half of MC's enrollment are legacy. So if they change it to 15 and you are a third generation legacy student (MC actually just graduated a 5th generation this past year) and you just happen to play a sport you would be able to attend but not play a sport by your suggestion?
If it was changed to 15 mile radius MC and St. Rita would be closed in 2 years and BR would not be far behind. Laurence would be on life support and those are the only schools I know of.
MC is located on 64th and Dante. About 10 students live within 2 miles of the school.
Then you go to MC and don't play Football it not an educational rule it a sports rule. You are really telling me that Mt Carmel can't find 600 boys to maintain enrollment from this footprint?
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Not downplaying the O, pointing out that MS lost to a public school that isn't complaining.Don't downplay the O.
O'Brien tried to write this story last season, but Cooney didn't take the bait.
Within this circle shown and competing for students with BR, Rita, Laurence, Marist, Iggy, and the other CCL, not a chance. With the 30 mile radius competing against those schools MC has almost 600 students and that's keeping the doors open with a slight bit of wiggle room and that's with an absurd amount of fundraising. Remember they toyed with letting girls in a few years ago to increase enrollment until they realized they would lose more boys then gain girls. It's a rat race and so many who aren't involved don't realize it, and I don't blame you, if I lived in the far burbs I wouldn't either.
I don't want to get too into this because this was mearly a coaches opinion but yeah, a 15 mile radius would close a ton of private schools and if anyone want tutorial on what it takes to keep a Chicago Catholic League school open feel free to DM me. A 100 student drop off would be a 1.5 million a year loss in tuition. That's game over at schools like MC, BR, and Rita and probably others. Not immediate death, but enviable death and 1000% a drop off in athletic success. It might make some of you happy to have a season without the CCL powers but I think you'd miss us more then you think. You'd have so much less to complain about
We would then complain about all these talented kids living within our district that are taking spots from kids that were loyal the whole timeI don't want to get too into this because this was mearly a coaches opinion but yeah, a 15 mile radius would close a ton of private schools and if anyone want tutorial on what it takes to keep a Chicago Catholic League school open feel free to DM me. A 100 student drop off would be a 1.5 million a year loss in tuition. That's game over at schools like MC, BR, and Rita and probably others. Not immediate death, but enviable death and 1000% a drop off in athletic success. It might make some of you happy to have a season without the CCL powers but I think you'd miss us more then you think. You'd have so much less to complain about
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It would be named on the several lawsuits that follow that 1/4 of our radius is under water and we should have our lines extended
100%. It will always be something.We would then complain about all these talented kids living within our district that are taking spots from kids that were loyal the whole time
Take Mt Carmel they put a ton of resources into football and over the last few years have been reaching out to kids in DuPage County about the about playing football there, wouldn't that money be better spent recruiting kids that live locally who aren't athletes but interested in other activities?I don't want to get too into this because this was mearly a coaches opinion but yeah, a 15 mile radius would close a ton of private schools and if anyone want tutorial on what it takes to keep a Chicago Catholic League school open feel free to DM me. A 100 student drop off would be a 1.5 million a year loss in tuition. That's game over at schools like MC, BR, and Rita and probably others. Not immediate death, but enviable death and 1000% a drop off in athletic success. It might make some of you happy to have a season without the CCL powers but I think you'd miss us more then you think. You'd have so much less to complain about
What money is spent recruiting a kid from Dupage County? Besides gas money to drive out and see them play? How many MC students are from Dupage County? 2? They recruit EVERYONE within the 30 mile radius from the 5 star recruit to the shy kid who doesn't do anything. They visit every catholic grammar school and any school that invites them in the radius and invite any student who wants to shadow to visit the school. Out of 600 students 420 don't play football....300 don't play any sport at all! But most are involved with clubs or other school activities. Every student is strongly encouraged to do something.
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I don't want to get too into this because this was mearly a coaches opinion but yeah, a 15 mile radius would close a ton of private schools and if anyone want tutorial on what it takes to keep a Chicago Catholic League school open feel free to DM me. A 100 student drop off would be a 1.5 million a year loss in tuition. That's game over at schools like MC, BR, and Rita and probably others. Not immediate death, but enviable death and 1000% a drop off in athletic success. It might make some of you happy to have a season without the CCL powers but I think you'd miss us more then you think. You'd have so much less to complain about
I would be curious to know what the annual operating costs are for MC in relation to what they bring in on an annual basis. You say it's tough to keep the doors open but they have a 10 year goal of having a $50 million endowment with an annual goal of $3 million for scholarships and aid packages alone.
In terms of football specific funds, how many people attend the Gridiron dinner every year at $1,000 per plate and once the drinks start flowing how many additional donations come in? How many $1,500 pavers have been sold so far?
Bottom line is this thread will shortly spin out of control and be deleted. Don't like the current system? Don't like schools recruiting? Change it. Put up separating public/Catholic on a member wide ballot....vote and be done with it forever. Live by the decision or leave the IHSA. Simple. Most important info from this story? Expect the 30 mile rule to be up for a change (and here is a clue it's not going to increase) sooner rather than later.
Playoffs should be 8 classes of Public Schools and 4 classes of private, separated and let them recruit and do whatever they want. Distance, out of state, tuition fees, etc..
most private school football players are not paying full tuition and nothing will be done until all schools are foia, which will never happen with private schools.
most private school football players are not paying full tuition and nothing will be done until all schools are foia, which will never happen with private schools.
I'll DM but they will probably sell 10 pavers. We just need to sell 4,990 more to cover yearly expenses not covered by tuition.I would be curious to know what the annual operating costs are for MC in relation to what they bring in on an annual basis. You say it's tough to keep the doors open but they have a 10 year goal of having a $50 million endowment with an annual goal of $3 million for scholarships and aid packages alone.
In terms of football specific funds, how many people attend the Gridiron dinner every year at $1,000 per plate and once the drinks start flowing how many additional donations come in? How many $1,500 pavers have been sold so far?
If we're going full split then it should absolutely go back to 6 classes for public. Not sure privates have enough schools for 4 classes, maybe 2 or 3.
I believe Maine South lost its first game to LWE, 45–0. LWE also had several high-profile transfers, including a quarterback from Bolingbrook, a wide receiver from Libertyville, and another wide receiver from Plainfield East—all well outside the stated 15-mile enrollment radius that he can understand.
I’m sure it’s just a complete coincidence that all of those families happened to move into the district. I also wonder if Dave was ok with that.
I’m sure it’s just a complete coincidence that all of those families happened to move into the district. I also wonder if Dave was ok with that.
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