Where are all the fiscal conservatives?

OnlyTheObscure

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The only president since 1969 to have a budget surplus was a Democrat.
Yes, and it was created by the explosion of the internet and a republican controlled Congress that didn’t want to help Clinton at all.

this time around, AI is destroying jobs, not creating jobs.

I recall Biden promising to tax the rich to pay for all his crap. He didn’t get any tax increases passed but he sure spent like he did.

like I said, nobody cares. Someday the interest on the debt will consume all tax revenue. When that happens nobody is getting anything and taxes will go through the roof.
 
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LunchBox50

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just out of curiosity, don't you remember we had Democrat Presidents from 2008 through 2016 and from 2020 through 2024. I might have missed it, but did they submit proposals for balanced budgets??
Both parties spend money we don't have, but one party keeps advertising itself as fiscally conservative. I don't see liberals on here saying, "fiscal conservative here."
 

LunchBox50

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The SAVE Act doesn't have "80% general support." How is it you MAGAts don't know how words work? "100% of Americans believe you should have a right to air ... why aren't they supporting this 'Right To Air' bill?" "Well, because it requires you to have sex with horses, too." "Oh, so you don't support the right to air?!? You commie."
Polling last year showed almost 60% of Americans approve of the ACA, which I'm sure Scuddy and his Twitter bots will recognize.
 
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LunchBox50

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Yes, and it was created by the explosion of the internet and a republican controlled Congress that didn’t want to help Clinton at all.
You're absolutely correct, and I'm sure Republicans wouldn't be taking credit for budget surpluses today if they had been in the White House during that time.
 

hawkeyetraveler

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Both reasonable and fiscally sound governmental policies,... Democrats are non-existent on both,... Don't short change me.
You think an war and imposing tariffs are fiscally sound policies?

You are either trolling or simply have no understanding what you are talking about.
 
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baltimorened

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We are running a 2 trillion deficit this year, burning billions a week on a ridiculous war, and putting the brakes on the economy with tariffs, and it’s the democrats who are non-existent on fiscal policy?

Good talk Russ.
I think a point is that republicans have contributed to our fiscal insanity, by so have democrats. Both have gotten us to this point.
Both parties spend money we don't have, but one party keeps advertising itself as fiscally conservative. I don't see liberals on here saying, "fiscal conservative here."
ok, if that's your point, I can't say you're wrong. But both have been spending like drunken sailors.
 

nytigerfan

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ah, short memory, why were the Senate Democrats holding up funding during one of the shutdowns...republicans wanted to honor the sunset on ACA subsidies...democrats wanted to keep them intact and there by spend more.

I don't believe that either party has any moral high ground when it comes to deficits and debt. You can talk about degrees and while that's debatable, we've not had a balanced budget since 2000, and we've had both Republican and democrat control since then.

MAGA controls the presidency, congress, senate, and the SCOTUS. Why are you talking about Dems?
 

Rifler

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Examples?

Weaponization?,.. Multiple Dem lawfare roadblocks erected to hamper Trump's path back to the White House at both the State and Federal levels,... Incompetence?,.. Afghanistan withdrawal,.. Attempted student debt cancellation,.. Infrastructure and Jobs Act, (at a time when post covid inflation was about to explode),.. and the Inflation Reduction Act,.. to name a few.
 
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baltimorened

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We are running a 2 trillion deficit this year, burning billions a week on a ridiculous war, and putting the brakes on the economy with tariffs, and it’s the democrats who are non-existent on fiscal policy?

Good talk Russ.
I think a point is that republicans have contributed to our fiscal insanity, by so have democrats. Both have gotten us to this point. I'm old enough to remember when there was major concern at less than $3 trillion. We passed the gramm rudman hollings bill in 1985 to reign in the debt. That hasn't worked out as planned. We were under $6 trillion during Clinton...but boy have we exploded since then.
 
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jimneffer

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Weaponization?,.. Multiple Dem lawfare roadblocks erected to hamper Trump's path back to the White House at both the State and Federal levels,... Incompetence?,.. Afghanistan withdrawal,.. Attempted student debt cancellation,.. Infrastructure and Jobs Act, (at a time when post covid inflation was about to explode),.. and the Inflation Reduction Act,.. to name a few.
please explain how the IRA is "weaponized incompetence"? keep in mind, inflation consistently fell after its passage

after that, you can explain how the bill that funded infrastructure investments over 5 fiscal (IIJA) years caused inflation that peaked 6 months into the bill taking effect
 

Rifler

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please explain how the IRA is "weaponized incompetence"? keep in mind, inflation consistently fell after its passage

It's cute that you seem to think that the Inflation Reduction Act was an impetus for reduced inflation,... I suspect you also believe the Affordable Care Act made healthcare more affordable.
 

jimneffer

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It's cute that you seem to think that the Inflation Reduction Act was an impetus for reduced inflation,... I suspect you also believe the Affordable Care Act made healthcare more affordable.
i don't think that, actually. but it is an indisputable fact that inflation consistently fell after its passage (why it fell, just like why it rose, is a lot more complicated than a few bills passed/signed by any president)

so...how was it "weaponized incompetence"? or are you just naming democrat-signed bills without any ability to explain it further?
 
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LafayetteBear

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What has Iran won?
Well, let's see. For starters:

1. Control over the Strait of Hormuz;

2. The PR battles with the U.S. and Israel;

3. Continued control over the selection of its own ruling regime; and most importantly,

4. The November congressional election for the Democrats. (Thank you, Iran and Cheeto.)
 

dpic73

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Weaponization?,.. Multiple Dem lawfare roadblocks erected to hamper Trump's path back to the White House at both the State and Federal levels,... Incompetence?,.. Afghanistan withdrawal,.. Attempted student debt cancellation,.. Infrastructure and Jobs Act, (at a time when post covid inflation was about to explode),.. and the Inflation Reduction Act,.. to name a few.
The Infrastructure bill was far from weaponized incompetence as it would have been deficit friendly over time and much of it was being funded by re-purposed existing reserves from unused unemployment insurance and unused COVID aid. And improving roads, bridges, ports, airports and railways would enable businesses to operate more cost-effectively resulting in consumer savings. Trump must agree because he only paused projects in blue states(surprise) and re-branded it to remove Biden's name so he could take credit for the positive impacts.

 

Rifler

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so, the part where you explain any of it...that's just not happening?

the best you have is just naming bills that were signed?

Excessive anti climate change spending in the Inflation Reduction Act hindered downward inflationary trends that were trying to take hold at the time,.. It imposed excessive tax burdens on business,.. Extended limitations on the use of fossil fuels,.. and planted hidden landmines in the Medicare program, which are only recently being exposed.
 
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Rifler

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The Infrastructure bill was far from weaponized incompetence as it would have been deficit friendly over time and much of it was being funded by re-purposed existing reserves from unused unemployment insurance and unused COVID aid.

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I see,.. so unused funds are free money.
 

UrHuckleberry

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Weaponization?,.. Multiple Dem lawfare roadblocks erected to hamper Trump's path back to the White House at both the State and Federal levels,... Incompetence?,.. Afghanistan withdrawal,.. Attempted student debt cancellation,.. Infrastructure and Jobs Act, (at a time when post covid inflation was about to explode),.. and the Inflation Reduction Act,.. to name a few.
I am fairly confident you don't understand what weaponized incompetence means having read that. It was a single phrase, not two separate accusations.

I am not sure it applied to you when stated either, as I believe it was more likely feigned ignorance than weaponized incompetence, but carry on not understand phrases.
 
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dpic73

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I see,.. so unused funds are free money.
No doofus, money that had already been allocated but was unused. Don't derail the thread so you can be a little b*tch. The point applied to not raising taxes.

The Funding Breakdown
  • Unused COVID-19 Relief: The package redirected more than $200 billion in unspent emergency pandemic aid from previous relief bills.
  • Unemployment Insurance Savings: The bill clawed back roughly $53 billion from federal unemployment programs. This chunk of savings was generated because 26 states opted to exit the enhanced federal pandemic unemployment benefits early, and the broader job market recovered faster than originally projected.
  • Fraud Recovery: The funding plan also counted on revenue generated by recouping fraudulently paid COVID-19 unemployment benefits.
 

Rifler

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No doofus, money that had already been allocated but was unused. Don't derail the thread so you can be a little b*tch.

The Funding Breakdown
  • Unused COVID-19 Relief: The package redirected more than $200 billion in unspent emergency pandemic aid from previous relief bills.
  • Unemployment Insurance Savings: The bill clawed back roughly $53 billion from federal unemployment programs. This chunk of savings was generated because 26 states opted to exit the enhanced federal pandemic unemployment benefits early, and the broader job market recovered faster than originally projected.
  • Fraud Recovery: The funding plan also counted on revenue generated by recouping fraudulently paid COVID-19 unemployment benefits.

I understand,,, I think most fiscal conservatives would say that allocated, but unused dollars, should go back to the treasury.
 

jimneffer

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The Infrastructure bill was far from weaponized incompetence as it would have been deficit friendly over time and much of it was being funded by re-purposed existing reserves from unused unemployment insurance and unused COVID aid. And improving roads, bridges, ports, airports and railways would enable businesses to operate more cost-effectively resulting in consumer savings. Trump must agree because he only paused projects in blue states(surprise) and re-branded it to remove Biden's name so he could take credit for the positive impacts.

i know we all bullsh*t about stuff here...but i actually know how the IIJA (and other surface transportation funding bills) functions

those bills spread funding out across 5 fiscal years, both in what are called "formula funds" (which states are more or less guaranteed to get) and "discretionary funds" (which states, counties, municipalities, etc can apply for). so, at most about 20% of the total funding in the IIJA would have been available in the first year after its passage. on top of that, the IIJA had a lot of discretionary funding available, which functions to lower even further the amount of funding that would have been immediately available after its passage. and further, just because federal transportation funds are "available", state DOTs have (and almost always use) up to 4 years to actually use the funding to pay someone. the funds that pay for projects happening today were most likely "programmed" years ago.

which makes it hard to say that any transportation funding bill caused or significantly contributed to inflation in the short term.
 
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jimneffer

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Excessive anti climate change spending in the Inflation Reduction Act hindered downward inflationary trends that were trying to take hold at the time,.. It imposed excessive tax burdens on business,.. Extended limitations on the use of fossil fuels,.. and planted hidden landmines in the Medicare program, which are only recently being exposed.
so...just cliches about policies you disagree with. OK.
 
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Dadar

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I love the people in threads like this serving up "fiscal conservative here," and then offering myriad excuses why they fervently support people who are not in any way fiscally conservative, as though the quip absolves them. It's the same crowd always crowing about "It's not the person, it's the policy I like!" when the person is an awful human.
When the 3T Fed debt servicing this year hits the 1T ai debt, what will the Fed do?
 

Tom Paris

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Fiscal conservative here who gave up on the GOP in 2017. We haven’t had a fiscally conservative option in a long time. One may be marginally better than the other, but both parties are atrocious and I hate them all.
Which party consistently blocks the other party from raising money to attack the national debt?
 
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