Another failed Trade deadline for Cashman

[Fishjam]

Good pickup of Garcia but he's lefthanded and plays 1B/DH.

Dodgers stole the best pitcher in baseball Skubal. And with the worst hitting Catchers in baseball, he allowed the top 2 Catchers to be traded to their AL East rivals Boston and Tampa Bay.

Couldn't even pick up a Relief Pitcher although he unloaded the 2 failed Relievers he added at last year's deadline.

 

[PhishingPirate088]

Good pickup of Garcia but he's lefthanded and plays 1B/DH.

Dodgers stole the best pitcher in baseball Skubal. And with the worst hitting Catchers in baseball, he allowed the top 2 Catchers to be traded to their AL East rivals Boston and Tampa Bay.

Couldn't even pick up a Relief Pitcher although he unloaded the 2 failed Relievers he added at last year's deadline.

Skubal is not the best pitcher in mlb

Most of everything else you say is correct

But it is crazy how large the divide has become between mlb fans and people inside mlb

Most of you don’t even realize how far off your thinking is to teams now..I don’t say that as a positive or negative.

 

[PirateBlue08]

Skubal is not the best pitcher in mlb

Most of everything else you say is correct

But it is crazy how large the divide has become between mlb fans and people inside mlb

Most of you don’t even realize how far off your thinking is to teams now..I don’t say that as a positive or negative.

Another expert heard from.

 

[PhishingPirate088]

Another expert heard from.

lol…yea I am, thanks

 

[Fishjam]

Skubal is not the best pitcher in mlb

Most of everything else you say is correct

But it is crazy how large the divide has become between mlb fans and people inside mlb

Most of you don’t even realize how far off your thinking is to teams now..I don’t say that as a positive or negative.

Misiorwoski's having a monster year and his stuff is amazing but he's still young. He's having the best season this year but Skubal is the #1 pitcher the last 3 years despite his injury this year.

I know how far off my thinking is of Cashman and the Yankees. It's why they have not won a WS in 17 years. Cashman and his team are far too reliant on analytics, overlooking player makeup, roster construction, fundamentals of defense, baserunning, etc.

I give him credit for Matt Blake who has really changed their pitching development.

But with a weak American League this year and a lockout looming next year, this was the time to go for it.

 

[PhishingPirate088]

Misiorwoski's having a monster year and his stuff is amazing but he's still young. He's having the best season this year but Skubal is the #1 pitcher the last 3 years despite his injury this year.

I know how far off my thinking is of Cashman and the Yankees. It's why they have not won a WS in 17 years. Cashman and his team are far too reliant on analytics, overlooking player makeup, roster construction, fundamentals of defense, baserunning, etc.

I give him credit for Matt Blake who has really changed their pitching development.

But with a weak American League this year and a lockout looming next year, this was the time to go for it.

#1 skubal no way
#2 your thinking isn’t different from cashman it’s different from the entire sport

I don’t mean that as a knock or a insult

 

[HallGuy2323]

 

[Fishjam]

#1 skubal no way
#2 your thinking isn’t different from cashman it’s different from the entire sport

I don’t mean that as a knock or a insult

Whats your knock on Skubal? By any metric and by most any opinion he's no worse than a Top 3 starter over the last 3 years.

Whether you use Performance Metrics, Pitch Data Metrics, Value Tracking Metrics or the traditional old-school stats, he is elite.

 

[HALL85]

I get the feeling Judge will not be back this year, and that factored into the lack of any major moves.

 

[PhishingPirate088]

Whats your knock on Skubal? By any metric and by most any opinion he's no worse than a Top 3 starter over the last 3 years.

Whether you use Performance Metrics, Pitch Data Metrics, Value Tracking Metrics or the traditional old-school stats, he is elite.

MLB has become slightly nbaesque

Regular season is 1 thing..and he has filthy numbers

But any “ace” that takes himself out of a game with 99 pitches in an elimination situation is not the best pitcher in baseball

 

[NYShoreGuy]

Maybe he should have been the new commish

 

[Halldan]

Yankees’ underwhelming trade deadline fails to address team’s biggest need — as rivals swoop in​

Yankees’ underwhelming trade deadline fails to address team’s biggest need — as rivals swoop in

The league played a game of musical catchers chairs Monday, and when it stopped, the Yankees got left out.

nypost.com

 

[Seton75]

Misiorwoski's having a monster year and his stuff is amazing but he's still young. He's having the best season this year but Skubal is the #1 pitcher the last 3 years despite his injury this year.

I know how far off my thinking is of Cashman and the Yankees. It's why they have not won a WS in 17 years. Cashman and his team are far too reliant on analytics, overlooking player makeup, roster construction, fundamentals of defense, baserunning, etc.

I give him credit for Matt Blake who has really changed their pitching development.

But with a weak American League this year and a lockout looming next year, this was the time to go for it.

The Steinbrenners dont care like GS did. Fill up the stadium. Be in the hunt.

My old company has 4 season tickets for about 40 yrs. The covid year was paid far in advance like all seasons. When it was announced no fans allowed, the nyy told season ticket holders like us we will be glad to refund your 200 or so K, but you will lose all the benefits your continued loyalty has earned.

I was not hoping we got Skubal, but feared him going to one of the better teams. Pretty sure I will be happier in October, and hopefully tonight too.

 

[SHUSource]

I was not hoping we got Skubal, but feared him going to one of the better teams. Pretty sure I will be happier in October, and hopefully tonight too.

I think this was the Dodgers' greatest motivation, eliminating the specter of having to face him in the playoffs/WS.

 

[Halldan]

I was very disappointed that the Yankees didn't bring back Weaver. The Pirates got him for their #8 prospect. The Yankees surely could have outbidded that haul.

 

[Fishjam]

I was very disappointed that the Yankees didn't bring back Weaver. The Pirates got him for their #8 prospect. The Yankees surely could have outbidded that haul.

Yes I figured adding a reliever was a bare minimum move to make and Weaver made a lot of sense as he regained his 2025 form when he was excellent as the Yankees closer. The Mets even picked up a big portion of Weaver's contract to get a better return.

I think something not really discussed that Cashman was dealing with is the payroll and tax considerations. All the moves he made were basically a push in terms of net salary. Garcia (prorated $6.5M) and Ramos (950k) were cheap and he also unloaded Doval ($6.5M), Bird (950k) although he picked up more than half of Doval's contract.

Cash made a risky move by offering the qualifying offer to Grisham in the offseason and got burned when he accepted. Paying him $22 Million has hamstrung their spending. It prevented them from adding anyone of significance in the offseason and at the deadline. They pay a 110% Luxury Tax on every dollar they add in salary and that has become a line that Steinbrenner will not cross.

 

[Halldan]

Excellent point on Grisham, He was coming off a career year but you look at his stats (.217 average) throughout his career and I cringed when I saw they offered him that kind of money.

Now you are hamstrung financially and are not getting a fraction worth of his salary.

 

[Halldan]

2026 MLB trade deadline awards: Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, more​

2026 MLB trade deadline awards: Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, more

Here's what we learned from this year's deals -- and titles for the teams with the most interesting elements of the 2026 deadline.

www.espn.com

 

[MooneyHall07]

Am I the only one who thinks the owners’ complaints about, while legitimate, are somewhat overblown? While I understand the Dodgers are a juggernaut, they’re the first repeat champion in 25 years. Baseball has had parity: The D’Backs, Angels, Marlins, Red Sox, White Sox, Cardinals, Phillies, Yankees, Giants, Royals, Cubs, Astros, Nationals, Dodgers, Braves, Rangers all have won the World Series. That’s half of baseball alone. That’s not counting the teams that won the Pennant and got to the WS: Tigers, Rockies, Rays, Mets, Indians, and Blue Jays. That’s 22 out of the 30 teams in baseball that have played in a World Series in the last some of those teams multiple times. The Dodgers won last year by the thinnest of margins.

You could legitimately say that it’s hard for a small market team to keep their players or build a dynasty. Ok, but how is a salary cap going to help that out. If you had an NBA style system with two aprons and Bird rights, are owners going to dip into their pockets and pay players? The Celtics just traded away Jaylen Brown in part because they didn’t want to pay him and Tatum $55M a year. Even if you were to break up the Dodgers, guys like Yammonoto make only 17M this year, Max Muncy makes 10M, and they have the top farm system in baseball. Does a salary cap restrain the Dodgers? Or does a salary cap restrain everyone else from beating the Dodgers?

Fix the deferred money situation, reform the international player signing procedures, but let’s not kid ourselves that a salary cap in baseball is going to happen or that we should want it to happen.

 

[lloyde dobler]

The deferred money situation is definitely the biggest problem, helped by the disparity in local TV rights. And how long will that model last?

 

[Seton75]

The deferred money situation is definitely the biggest problem, helped by the disparity in local TV rights. And how long will that model last?

Even I think deferred money has to go. Butbits not like it is a new thing.

BTW, the virtually 700 mill that Shohei deferred has already been paid to the Dodgers through various deals. When we deferred all that dough, I thought, we draw 50K a game already, and have an incredible media deal, wonder where is this money is com8ng from. Guess they had that figured out already.

Muncy, Chris Taylor, Jeff Turner, all picked up fron the garbage bin and became all stars. Now we pick up Lauer who was DFAed by Toronto (and, so sick of hearing they really won the WS, they could gave if they knocked in guys on 2nd with no outs in late innings of games 6 and 7, but they didnt) and havent lost a game he has pitched.

NFW George S would watch LA dominate without doing something big, maybe not smart, but he would be livid. Seems like Hal is just counting money. Did the gigantic new stadium cost too much. My son graduated from college in the new Yankee Stadium while the old was still standing, the old one was tiny in comparison



I see lots ot teams who can win it all, LA, NYY, Brewers, Braves, Phillies, TBR, Bosox, Cubs

 

[dehere23]

Even I think deferred money has to go. Butbits not like it is a new thing.

BTW, the virtually 700 mill that Shohei deferred has already been paid to the Dodgers through various deals. When we deferred all that dough, I thought, we draw 50K a game already, and have an incredible media deal, wonder where is this money is com8ng from. Guess they had that figured out already.

Muncy, Chris Taylor, Jeff Turner, all picked up fron the garbage bin and became all stars. Now we pick up Lauer who was DFAed by Toronto (and, so sick of hearing they really won the WS, they could gave if they knocked in guys on 2nd with no outs in late innings of games 6 and 7, but they didnt) and havent lost a game he has pitched.

NFW George S would watch LA dominate without doing something big, maybe not smart, but he would be livid. Seems like Hal is just counting money. Did the gigantic new stadium cost too much. My son graduated from college in the new Yankee Stadium while the old was still standing, the old one was tiny in comparison

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I see lots ot teams who can win it all, LA, NYY, Brewers, Braves, Phillies, TBR, Bosox, Cubs

I don't think Hal just counts money and I think he 100% cares about winning and the Yankee brand. He's a different personality than George, more rational, less excitable. The Yanks still have a significant payroll. They have still been aggressive in both the FA and trade markets. What Hal is not going to do is make decisions based on emotion, public critique or media buzz. George would do that, and sometimes it was a GOOD thing because he left no stone unturned. On the other hand, George would also make irrational and irresponsible baseball decisions that hurt the franchise long term, whether it be getting robbed by other orgs for prospects or making foolish FA decisions to get "names" that created buzz, but were either past their prime or not a good fit to the roster.

The Yanks are going on like 35 straight years where they are basically a lock to win 90 games, be in the playoff hunt, and often have the chance to make a deep postseason run or even win it all. It's the one storyline that never gets enough attention and if Hal, Cashman and the rest of the baseball operations didn't know what they were doing, they wouldn't have this level of sustained success over such a lengthy period. Not to mention off-the-field, where the Yanks brand is as famous as it has ever been globally and a cash machine.

Again as a Yankee fans, I admire the Dodgers. They've blended being one of the sports financial giants with a "Rays or Brewers" level of scouting acumen and player development. It's truly impressive. Their success and emergence as the closest thing to a dynasty we've seen since the Yanks of the second half of the 90s/early 00s -- and if LA wins this year they'll be on that level -- is what everyone organization should strive to achieve. I don't blame them one iota for operating within the rules and flexing their strengths to get players. Every other org should strive to get to that level. But their success doesn't mean the Yanks don't know what they are doing.

 

[Seton75]

I agree with you about George btw, if not for his suspension, the last 3peat might be the As. And it is harder now. A bunch of terrific LA teams lost early, plus the 2 pre 2020 WS losses.

Being a Dodger fan all my life has been funny. None of your friends like your team, rarely on TV (tho that has changed), but one thing that never changed, the Yanks are coming after baseball with an attitude. Maybe it is just not reading the NYC tabloids, but they just dont seem the same to me lately.

 

[dehere23]

I agree with you about George btw, if not for his suspension, the last 3peat might be the As. And it is harder now. A bunch of terrific LA teams lost early, plus the 2 pre 2020 WS losses.

Being a Dodger fan all my life has been funny. None of your friends like your team, rarely on TV (tho that has changed), but one thing that never changed, the Yanks are coming after baseball with an attitude. Maybe it is just not reading the NYC tabloids, but they just dont seem the same to me lately.

They’ve lost some of the “big bad aura” they had during some of the periods under George. I think there are plenty of reasons for that, and a significant portion of that narrative (or lack thereof) is because you don’t have George as the public facing figure anymore. He was “one of one”, both good and bad, and there was plenty of good to go with the bad.

Do I miss the days where George would let nothing stop him from getting a particular player? Yes and no. Sometimes that was good and made sense, and sometimes it set back the team. Hal was prepared to pay close to half a billion to retain Soto and the Mets sweetened that offer - I was content that Hal did everything a reasonable owner who wants to win with the Yanks resources should do in that scenario.

At bottom though, it’s still very good to be a Yankees fan

 

[Fishjam]

The deferred money situation is definitely the biggest problem, helped by the disparity in local TV rights. And how long will that model last?

These are definitely the 2 biggest problems fans and owners have with the Dodgers situation. The TV rights disparity is unprecedented. Not only do they rake in more than $100M more than the Yankees do per year, they don't have to share a huge chunk of it with the rest of the league because of the crazy deal made in 2012 when the owner went bankrupt. That's a massive advantage that will continue to escalate until 2038.

The deferred money situation is crazy too but other teams could do the same thing if they wanted. They are taking advantage of a loophole in the CBA to save massive sums in luxury tax.

The 3rd thing, which is far down the list, is they have become a preferred destination for the top Japanese players. MLB's system as it relates to Japanese players greatly favors large markets on the west coast. There are no limits, spending pools or draft like with other international players. Ohtani took a huge discount to sign with the Dodgers. In present value, his contract was worth between $400-450M over 10 years. In my opinion he was worth far more than $40-45M per year. Judge got $40M per year the year before and Soto got $51M per year less than a year later. Kyle Tucker is making over $54M in present value. Ohtani was worth far more than all of these players as an elite hitter and pitcher.

Lastly, they just seem to not have any limits. Every year they sign the top players and spend more in total payroll. They are in a stratosphere by themselves. MLB's rules reign in most teams but the Dodgers. Steve Cohen may be the only one with the appetite to approach them but he's taking money out of his pocket to do so. Some of the loopholes LA is exposing will likely be lessened with the next CBA which looks like it will be very contentious.