As a lifelong Reds fan, I think it’s time….

[paulcalhoun_rivals397471]

Pitching is ridiculous now with velocity, I don’t see how these guys arms hold up long term.

The velocity is largely fake. The point at which they make the radar reading is very deceptive. It has been estimated that by the current method Nolan Ryan was throwing 109 mph. I believe 100 these days is about the same as 91-93 from the 80's and no one is actually throwing 100 now by the old standard.

 

[*Fox2Monk*]

We attend a game or 2 during the Dodger series in Cincy. Spouse is a born Dodger fans. The Great American Ball Park is a decent baseball stadium. It's not unusual for Dodger fans to nearly equal Reds fans at those games. Stunning how well Dodger fans travel. Of course, every Japanese or Japanese American fan within hundreds of miles attend or more Dodgers games. Literally, Japanese fans from Japan travel to Dodgers games.

The reds park is definitely cool. I like the way Cincinnati is setup with all the pro stadiums kind of in one area. I went to a preseason Colts and Bengals game a few years ago and it was nice.

 

[berniecarbo]

If you read the article I linked, the problem is the ligament. You can strengthen the muscles to allow faster speed and more spin, but you can not strengthen the ligament to bear the extra load. I guess if you are already in there doing ligament repair surgery, there may be away to artificially allow it to bear more load.

 

[vhcat1970]

"Long-Term (Pitcher) Injury Trends

• • Rising IL Time: Pitcher injured list days grew from 13,666 in 2005 to 32,257 by 2024.
  • Roster Churn: Teams averaged 22.5 pitchers used per season in 2000, which increased to over 32 pitchers per season in recent years.
  • Primary Cause: Max-effort pitching and the continuous team-wide pursuit of higher velocity drive the long-term surge."
  
  Whether they are actually throwing harder today or not, this indicates to me they are trying to throw harder.
  
  Also, overall BA since 2000 has decreased from 270 to 245.
  
  Draw your own conclusions.
  
  
  
  
  

 

[Rick Honcho]

I stopped paying attention after Jr retired or left.

Jr was something close to a broken down overweight bum by the time he arrived in Cincinnati. HOF’er during his time in Seattle. I grew up listening to Reds games on AM radio. I had unrealistic hope that Krall would turn this franchise around, but nada.

 

[Rick Honcho]

"Long-Term (Pitcher) Injury Trends

• • Rising IL Time: Pitcher injured list days grew from 13,666 in 2005 to 32,257 by 2024.
  • Roster Churn: Teams averaged 22.5 pitchers used per season in 2000, which increased to over 32 pitchers per season in recent years.
  • Primary Cause: Max-effort pitching and the continuous team-wide pursuit of higher velocity drive the long-term surge."
• 
  Whether they are actually throwing harder today or not, this indicates to me they are trying to throw harder.
  
  Also, overall BA since 2000 has decreased from 270 to 245.
  
  Draw your own conclusions.

Take the radar gun readings down off the ballpark scoreboard is the first step in reducing pitching injuries, but MLB owners don’t have the sense to do even that…

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

For the fans, roll food, ticket, souvenir prices back to 1962

 

[kuhlkat]

…..they just cease to exist. Perhaps the worst run Franchise in sports history. An absolute total failure.

They aren't even the worst run sports franchise in their own city.

 

[SenseMaker_Cats]

Not a Reds fan but think Cincy is a great baseball town. Reds fan deserve better.

 

[Henogee1975]

Not a Reds fan but think Cincy is a great baseball town. Reds fan deserve better.

I am a fan, part of me thinks we deserve better. Part of me also thinks we deserve what we get because we still show up to games consistently no matter what.

 

[TheBlueMist]

Lifelong Reds fan. I'll root them on until I leave this Earth. Hopefully new ownership (one day) and a better front office can give us hope.


Sal Stewart is a lot of fun to watch. Lock him up, Reds!

 

[BookofMormon]

Lifelong Reds fan. I'll root them on until I leave this Earth. Hopefully new ownership (one day) and a better front office can give us hope.


Sal Stewart is a lot of fun to watch. Lock him up, Reds!

Or this Skubal trade stimulates a lockout that puts a floor/cap in place. Baseball is a joke. Cinci's Red Stockings were an original franchise, one of the most historic baseball cities out there. This is stuff going on 150 years old.

 

[BleedBlue63]

Elly strikes out too much and never hits good pitching. He also led the league in errors last season. He’s not stealing bases this year nearly as much as he had in his first couple of years, which is what made him stand out. I love his attitude and enthusiasm, but honestly, they can lose the same without him.

The biggest problem is Greene and Lodolo are rarely healthy. The Reds hitters strikeout at an alarming rate. Their batting averages are almost always near the bottom of the league. Francona is atrocious. He makes Bell look like a genius. He never tries to manufacture a run. He pulls pitchers after ridiculously low pitch totals. He’s so effing awful.

I’m sorry, but this is not Francona‘s fault. He has proven that if he has a good team, he can win.

 

[CB3UK]

How does Nick Krall still have a job this morning?

 

[UKGrad24]

Co pilot says Reds are 20th in team salary. My Cards are 24th. Fans called our last GM Moron. Owner DeWitt is called Dimwit and fans think his interest is in Ball Park Village, not the team. He did hire Claire Bloom for the rebuild though, so we are hoping.

We’ve been on a downward trajectory as an organization for a while. We’re never going away but this isn’t what STL is supposed to be about. Mass changes needed im thirsty for some deep runs.

Dewitt isn’t really the guy anymore it’s his son, and he’s terrible. And yes all the focus is on making money using ballpark village and the game itself is taking a massive hit. Growing up in the 90’s with a STL hardcore baseball dad, I grew up on a totally different atmosphere and situation in STL. Hiring Mormol, not firing Mozeliak early on, the focus on mathematics instead of the sport itself, hiring accountants and calculators instead of baseball men etc. it’s eroding fast and faster than Manfred can keep up.

Everything is about corporate greed now, sports have been infected to extremes. You look at regular people “get your bag”, there’s absolutely zero care about the traditions, the people, or right and wrong it’s just greed. Just look at college sports, teaching 17 year olds to care about early money over everything else. What could go wrong in society?

 

[berniecarbo]

We’ve been on a downward trajectory as an organization for a while. We’re never going away but this isn’t what STL is supposed to be about. Mass changes needed im thirsty for some deep runs.

Dewitt isn’t really the guy anymore it’s his son, and he’s terrible. And yes all the focus is on making money using ballpark village and the game itself is taking a massive hit. Growing up in the 90’s with a STL hardcore baseball dad, I grew up on a totally different atmosphere and situation in STL. Hiring Mormol, not firing Mozeliak early on, the focus on mathematics instead of the sport itself, hiring accountants and calculators instead of baseball men etc. it’s eroding fast and faster than Manfred can keep up.

Everything is about corporate greed now, sports have been infected to extremes. You look at regular people “get your bag”, there’s absolutely zero care about the traditions, the people, or right and wrong it’s just greed. Just look at college sports, teaching 17 year olds to care about early money over everything else. What could go wrong in society?

That is true and I would add that since George Kissell passed away, fundamental baseball in St Louis has taken a major hit. For non Cards reading, George was the roving coach who made sure strong fundamentals (the Cardinal Way) were taught throughout the Card system. I guess to save money, the Cards drastically reduced coaching numbers throughout the system. Bloom was supposedly going to build back up the minor league coaching numbers.

 

[LongliveWildcatDon]

So the Reds sat on their hands during the trade deadline. What was the thinking here?

1. Think they can compete next yr and will resign some of these guys?

2. Know a lockout is coming and they could be forced to spend money if a salary floor is passed and know it might be easier to sign current players?

3. Nobody wanted their junk?

4. They didn't know there was a trade deadline?

 

[UKGrad24]

That is true and I would add that since George Kissell passed away, fundamental baseball in St Louis has taken a major hit. For non Cards reading, George was the roving coach who made sure strong fundamentals (the Cardinal Way) were taught throughout the Card system. I guess to save money, the Cards drastically reduced coaching numbers throughout the system. Bloom was supposedly going to build back up the minor league coaching numbers.

100% and it’s let do disorganization within the organization. I think we’ll get it right somehow, we always seem to bounce back and put things together. But we should have never been in this position. The cardinal way was not hard to sustain and it’s like we just ended it on purpose lol. I had a bad feeling when we threw a baseball guy out on his face and allowed Mozeliak to take the reins. Just the way he got the job tells you all you need to know. And it’s been downhill since that day.

ready to see Yadi as head coach at some point soon. Maybe he hires Pujols and Waino and we get back to the cardinal way soon. I can hope.

 

[Hitman206]

So what are your thoughts on trading Greene? I'm kinda indifferent.

On one hand you can fill the many holes your team has and you still have some decent pitchers on staff. Greene is either injury prone or doing load management to save his arm for his next team. He frustrates me more than excites me at this point.

On the other hand, prospects are never a sure thing. We got a haul for Castillo and haven't been able to develop them. And trading a top tier player with a controllable contract for top prospects hoping to get a top tier player with a controllable contract doesn't seem to make a lot of since.

Reds signed Chase Burns to a new contract. I think you cash in on Greene.

 

[Hitman206]

We attend a game or 2 during the Dodger series in Cincy. Spouse is a born Dodger fans. The Great American Ball Park is a decent baseball stadium. It's not unusual for Dodger fans to nearly equal Reds fans at those games. Stunning how well Dodger fans travel. Of course, every Japanese or Japanese American fan within hundreds of miles attend or more Dodgers games. Literally, Japanese fans from Japan travel to Dodgers games.

So do the Cubs

 

[CB3UK]

So the Reds sat on their hands during the trade deadline. What was the thinking here?

1. Think they can compete next yr and will resign some of these guys?

2. Know a lockout is coming and they could be forced to spend money if a salary floor is passed and know it might be easier to sign current players?

3. Nobody wanted their junk?

4. They didn't know there was a trade deadline?

I'm going with #3. They couldn't get anyone to give them anything worthwhile for a couple of months rental guys.

I would argue getting something.....anything.....is better than getting nothing at all.

But maybe the offers were so beyond the pale absurd that 2 months of TySteve et al truly is a better "payday" than whatever Krall got offered.

Either way, Krall is a bum.

 

[jeffky]

…..they just cease to exist. Perhaps the worst run Franchise in sports history. An absolute total failure.

Well stated sad too

 

[berniecarbo]

We attend a game or 2 during the Dodger series in Cincy. Spouse is a born Dodger fans. The Great American Ball Park is a decent baseball stadium. It's not unusual for Dodger fans to nearly equal Reds fans at those games. Stunning how well Dodger fans travel. Of course, every Japanese or Japanese American fan within hundreds of miles attend or more Dodgers games. Literally, Japanese fans from Japan travel to Dodgers games.

This gives me a chance to bring up my boyhood hero, Stan Musial. Stan hammered Brooklyn Dodger pitching very well over his career. After a particularly good day, as Stan came to bat, a Dodger fan moaned, "Here comes that man again!" A sports writer heard it and Stan The Man became his nickname.

 

[Vek96]

The Reds are so poorly run. Ownership are just fine with losing as long as that fat **** CastIllini and his incompetent family members keep gettin* richer. Just a complete joke.

 

[Vek96]

I’m sorry, but this is not Francona‘s fault. He has proven that if he has a good team, he can win.

Have you you not watched Francona manage the last two season? He does nothing that makes any sense. I don‘t Give a flying **** what he did before getting here. That has nothing to do with how he’s managed the last two years.

 

[CB3UK]

Have you you not watched Francona manage the last two season? He does nothing that makes any sense. I don‘t Give a flying **** what he did before getting here. That has nothing to do with how he’s managed the last two years.

I feel like he's gonna retire after the season. Totally just a hunch