It appears a Compromise has been reached w/Big 10 & SEC on The Protect College Sports Act
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Well that “attestation process” should put to rest any questions that any Nike NIL contracts are 100% legit & have nothing to do with the fact the athlete plays for a big Nike School. I feel a lot better now.
Everybody can relax. The US Congress. SEC, and Big 10 have got this handled and under control. Whew! That was close.
The usual schools will still cheat regardless of what they do.
$48.8M is the cap for all sports combined? Or just football?
I don’t see that flying at all, if its all sports.
I don’t see that flying at all, if its all sports.
You currently have the big schools spending around that just on football. MBB is $10-$15 million for most of the P4, $20 million plus at the elite programs. $5-7 million to baseball is happening in the SEC, similar numbers to WBB in other locations (as well as a few within SEC like South Carolina, Texas, etc.).
A Top 10-15 school in terms of size and prestige in all sports is easily spending $60 million plus right now. MSU is probably spending around $40 million. A $48 million cap will lead to another lawsuit claiming that it’s a violation of the CA court ruling from a few years ago, because it won’t take much to prove that previous athletes made more money. It won’t hold up. No hard cap will, really. Like the salary cap in NFL / NBA, it will have to be dynamic, and increased as revenues increase to stand any chance of holding up to judicial scrutiny.
Yes, but I honestly stopped caring about other schools’ payrolls years ago. Today’s problems have much more today with our own courts constantly striking down any attempt made towards competitive balance, and this bill could finally change some of this
Right, they may not be giving us the specifics, but they didn’t pull the $47M figure out of the air. I guaran-damn-tee you that after combining all the data from SEC/B1G rev sharing, NIL, etc, $47M is what schools are already paying on average. This bill just aims to direct it all towards one cap so that we can all stop pretending that NIL is anything but pay for play
The whole purpose of the bill is to get rid of the suits. If it doesn’t accomplish that then there’s absolutely no reason to do it.
We already knew what it was, but at least before now (and rev share really) it was the big boosters that had to do it, which is the correct way, since they started it 40 years ago.
Now the schools are saddled with it. And where will they get it? Us. Tickets, parking, etc.
This is just so bad on so many levels. Major college football and basketball is about to be relegated to my TV, nothing more. Yeah I know I’m technically still paying into the system, but it’s minimal.
That is Cable TV or Streaming Sources.
I went to a Super Bowl in New Orleans decades ago and paid $125 for my ticket.
As you can see, Super Bowl attendance is for only the Wealthy now. So are the College Championships…… except for the CWS….for now. A regular College football game in Starkville, Ms. will soon be $300 per game and eventually even more to pay for the Primadonnas who play the game.
why would we think that we deserve a break. Go to Burger King for those.
Sounds eerily similar to the narrative surrounding the legislation that created ObamaCare only we are hearing now from Cruz(R), Cantwell (D), & Schmit (R) instead of Reid (D) & Pelosi (D). I guess college sports combined with politics creates strange bedfellows.
The cap is set to go up, and to be re-evaluated p÷ironically.
But you are right that they will need approval from the Judge in the House case. The plaintiffs attorneys will complain, but I cannot imagine the judge being much of a roadblock.
It's almost a direct quote from Pelosi.
"We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it, away from the fog of the controversy."
Most people omit that last part, not that leaving it in does much to soften the stupidity of the statement.
I disagree that we already knew what it was. We knew that $20-22M/yr was being allowed in rev sharing, but few people have any real clue as to what individual schools are actually paying, and we sure don’t know much at all about NIL. The number from this bill now gives us an idea as to where we are amongst the SEC and B1G, but the problem is that $47M is just an average, and there’s a certain massive gap between Ohio State and MSU.
I agree with your point though. We’re the Miami Marlins of college football, and more than doubling the stated cap in a single year is not doing us any favors. We don’t have boosters to foot this kind of bill, and hard decisions are coming within our athletic department.
I don’t think the decisions will be very hard at all. There is a number of sports teams requirement for D1 FBS. But there is no requirement to fund the non-revenue sports at full NIL/ Rev Share.
Football
Men’s Basketball
Baseball
women’s basketball
Softball
men’s tennis
Men’s Golf
Women’s Tennis
Women’s Golf
Volleyball
Track & Field.
we may have to give up our nationally ranked Javelin program, cut cross-country back to bare bones, and limit funds to men’s golf, set a max for all other men’s sports other than the big 3 and hope the Europeans just love playing tennis for MSU!
Absolutely. So, they may wanna pick a higher number, or not have it. Any situation where a player finds out he can’t make more because of the “cap”, and its all over.
The Catch-22 is that everyone under the sun wants the cap, except the one group that actually matters…..the players. So, it doesn’t stand much of a chance of reforming anything, even if it does pass. It will get neutered or struck down entirely in court.
They can make as much money as they want…..in true NIL. The cap is just on the pay for play from the school - err, the rev share from the ‘TV money’. As big of a joke as that is.
Again, I don’t think this bill will be challenged. They are getting an anti-trust exemption. I don’t understand all that but they aren’t doing this to just continue to fight lawsuits. So I think you’re wrong here.
This. Once the cap is part of a statute, the players would have to argue it is unconstitutional in order to get it changed. One can certainly argue that a cap goes well beyond Congressional authority to regulate interstate commerce, but I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed.
In the future, the players might complain the cap has not risen enough in comparison to the money schools are receiving for their media rights, and its not clear how that will be addressed. I wonder if we will see a players' strike across all of college sports?
Yeah, I agree. But in addition to many of the above sports not getting much from the rev sharing pool, I suspect that they're also going to have to get used to a little more wear and tear on their equipment, facilities, and coaching salaries too. The money's just not going to be there
Yeah, I think you're hitting on what's really the most important part of the entire bill. The anti-trust exemption language
The article kinda beats around the bush with it, but they're clearly trying to get something in the bill that will allow the NCAA and partner conferences to make rules going forward without fear of interference from the courts, and it will be interesting to see what's in it by the time it finally gets passed. I tend to agree that any language that puts a clear restriction on a player's ability to make money is probably gonna be a non-starter
In 2021 in Omaha I paid under $100 for game one, $250 for game two, and $725 for game three.
They would need need to be part of a union at some point, but that to me seems like it would be a mistake for several reasons. Generally people like college sports for different reasons than pro sports. Strikes have hurt the pro leagues in the short term, can you Imagine what it would do to the fans of their favorite university? A kid who was excited about a scholarship 10 years ago is now gonna sit because 2 million isn’t enough? Then you throw in the limited shelf life of a college player ( 5 years max now) and they are willing to give up a season or more on the hopes that the money will still be there after?
I mean, you never know how things will evolve and maybe new fans are being born everyday who won’t care, but I can’t imagine something like that not killing golden goose.
Stanford's football team just unionized, and a union for women's basketball is forming.
But you're right that they only have 5 years to play, and the players with professional aspirations would not want to miss playing time. Still, the resolution of any strike would likely be the schools going ahead and paying them even though they were on strike.
What is your opinion as to why colleges are so dead set on not having to label players as employees? Is it the whole payroll tax and benefits discussion?
It's obvious that they've been working tirelessly to avoid this like the plague, but I don't feel like I've ever read a clear answer as to why.
I don't know for sure. I've wanted to ask. My guess is they are afraid of employment law issues regarding things like discrimination and wrongful termination.
There is also a problem with state schools making the athletes state employees. Legislation could resolve some of those issues, but then it could be different from state to state. Some schools might have hiring regulations to deal with.
I think they should dispense with the NIL fiction and just call the athletes independent contractors. The NIL license could still be an item in the contract, and the players could still unionize.
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Universities exist to educate. It’s not a professional sports league. We do not want them to be employees.
They are contractors now. I assume they pay tax on rev share? All made legal by that stupid settlement.
They definitely pay tax on NIL & revenue share. There are teams of accountants & lawyers at every school to handle these things for the players. They’re set up in LLCs & it’s all taken care of for them.
They are licensors. The money they receive from the schools is a license fee.
If everyone would just admit they are being paid to play, they could become independent contractors with specific terms for their participation in their sport.
They could have easily enforceable terms, like multi-year contracts and buyout clauses.
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