Brad Nessler on KF and IOWA: "Nobody wants to play them."

[Franisdaman]

Good stuff.

 

[uihawk82]

Good stuff.

That is correct especially play them at Kinnick, at night. The hawks had Indy by the balls last year but couldnt make that first down to run the clock down to a final, probably shorter FG from the middle of the field. And Stevens having that unusual miss miss then put PParker in a bind as a FG beats you so you cant let IU get chunks but you have to blitz some to force bad plays, throw aways, or a turnover.

 

[85Bears]

Could’ve easily beaten IU and Oregon Last year. With a little luck could have made a run in the playoffs. Very close. That team playing Vandy would have beaten several playoff teams, would have dusted Bama.

 

[JerseyCityHawk]

Good stuff.

Is there a link to this? Can’t seem to find it if there was even a link … just curious!

 

[93hawkeye]

and for half our fans, the shoe's on the other foot, when they say "we don't want to play Iowa State" Irony

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

Don't love the last part. His "I don't care" attitude gave us the least qualified OC / QB coach I have ever seen. Criminal waste of the insane defenses we had at that time. Hate to hear "IDGAF" and then see it play out on Saturdays. Just terrible optics.

 

[85Bears]

Don't love the last part. His "I don't care" attitude gave us the least qualified OC / QB coach I have ever seen. Criminal waste of the insane defenses we had at that time. Hate to hear "IDGAF" and then see it play out on Saturdays. Just terrible optics.

Way to take things out of context

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

Way to take things out of context

Feel free to show me the errors of my ways.

I am by no means losing my mind, I get what he is saying. But to say "I don't care about unreasonable fan expectations" is a bit of an own goal. Mostly due to seeing that sort of attitude play out on the field.

 

[Franisdaman]

Could’ve easily beaten IU and Oregon Last year. With a little luck could have made a run in the playoffs. Very close. That team playing Vandy would have beaten several playoff teams, would have dusted Bama.

Gronowski was really getting into a groove, too.

 

[85Bears]

Feel free to show me the errors of my ways.

I am by no means losing my mind, I get what he is saying. But to say "I don't care about unreasonable fan expectations" is a bit of an own goal. Mostly due to seeing that sort of attitude play out on the field.

Maybe a very veteran HC is saying fan sentiment doesn’t drive his decision making and eunuchs like you start pearl clutching

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

Maybe a very veteran HC is saying fan sentiment doesn’t drive his decision making and eunuchs like you start pearl clutching

Sounds good, very well thought out.

What I saw on the field with sonny boy matches that sentiment perfectly. He very clearly didn't care.

 

[Grayhair1981]

Sounds good, very well thought out.

What I saw on the field with sonny boy matches that sentiment perfectly. He very clearly didn't care.

Translated to the offense, too. Example: Petras throwing the ball OOB on 4th down in Wisconsin territory during the 4th quarter in 2021.

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

Let's just focus on 2022, because it is the perfect representation of why that remark is a bit cringe.

For context, starting in 2017, BF's offense ranked 117th, 92nd, 99th, 88th and 121st nationally, through 2021 (103rd average out of ~130).

In 2022 his offense ranked 130th (out of 131 teams). The offense averaged 251YPG with Petras (mostly). Meanwhile, the defense was ranked #2 in the nation, allowed 271YPG and had these fellers running around: Jack Campbell, Riley Moss, Van Ness, and Cooper DeJean.

For more context the average national ranking for the defense for the same period (2017 - 2021) was 13.

Now, one could argue that those numbers should have given a head coach enough confidence to fire the OC and give the DC a massive raise. What did the guy that says "IDGAF" do instead? Gave the OC another shot in 2023.

The result? 133rd out of 133 nationally, 246YPG. The D? 7th in the nation, 282YPG with DeJean, Higgins, Castro, Logan Lee.

So, yeah, he doesn't seem to have cared about offense during his son's tenure as OC. That is clear. And that is a sad waste of so much defensive talent during those years.

 

[85Bears]

Let's just focus on 2022, because it is the perfect representation of why that remark is a bit cringe.

For context, starting in 2017, BF's offense ranked 117th, 92nd, 99th, 88th and 121st nationally, through 2021 (103rd average out of ~130).

In 2022 his offense ranked 130th (out of 131 teams). The offense averaged 251YPG with Petras (mostly). Meanwhile, the defense was ranked #2 in the nation, allowed 271YPG and had these fellers running around: Jack Campbell, Riley Moss, Van Ness, and Cooper DeJean.

For more context the average national ranking for the defense for the same period (2017 - 2021) was 13.

Now, one could argue that those numbers should have given a head coach enough confidence to fire the OC and give the DC a massive raise. What did the guy that says "IDGAF" do instead? Gave the OC another shot in 2023.

The result? 133rd out of 133 nationally, 246YPG. The D? 7th in the nation, 282YPG with DeJean, Higgins, Castro, Logan Lee.

So, yeah, he doesn't seem to have cared about offense during his son's tenure as OC. That is clear. And that is a sad waste of so much defensive talent during those years.

Yawn

 

[HawksRule73]

Let's just focus on 2022, because it is the perfect representation of why that remark is a bit cringe.

For context, starting in 2017, BF's offense ranked 117th, 92nd, 99th, 88th and 121st nationally, through 2021 (103rd average out of ~130).

In 2022 his offense ranked 130th (out of 131 teams). The offense averaged 251YPG with Petras (mostly). Meanwhile, the defense was ranked #2 in the nation, allowed 271YPG and had these fellers running around: Jack Campbell, Riley Moss, Van Ness, and Cooper DeJean.

For more context the average national ranking for the defense for the same period (2017 - 2021) was 13.

Now, one could argue that those numbers should have given a head coach enough confidence to fire the OC and give the DC a massive raise. What did the guy that says "IDGAF" do instead? Gave the OC another shot in 2023.

The result? 133rd out of 133 nationally, 246YPG. The D? 7th in the nation, 282YPG with DeJean, Higgins, Castro, Logan Lee.

So, yeah, he doesn't seem to have cared about offense during his son's tenure as OC. That is clear. And that is a sad waste of so much defensive talent during those years.

No one gives a **** about 4 years ago anymore. Good lord, why are folks even still bringing this up? Brian's no longer here, we're in a better place, and a new season is about to start. There's a lot better **** to talk about than that.

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

No one gives a **** about 4 years ago anymore. Good lord, why are folks even still bringing this up? Brian's no longer here, we're in a better place, and a new season is about to start. There's a lot better **** to talk about than that.

Because he touched me in my nono zone and I am still hurting.

JK, it is honestly fascinating how bad it really got. I am looking forward to watching TL's offense this year. The ANF pods he did were outstanding.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Because he touched me in my nono zone and I am still hurting.

JK, it is honestly fascinating how bad it really got. I am looking forward to watching TL's offense this year. The ANF pods he did were outstanding.

Then maybe enjoy that, and let go of the "Brian thing". Its over and done with. If you take his quote in context he said" they're never going to be happy unless you win the national championship, and frankly I don't care what they think anymore". Was an off the cuff comment to another old timer. Truly do you want a HC who listens to what "the fans "think. Can you imagine that scenario given some of the crazy stuff just on here from a lot of posters who wouldn't know the color of Shite if they stepped in it.

 

[Grayhair1981]

Then maybe enjoy that, and let go of the "Brian thing". Its over and done with. If you take his quote in context he said" they're never going to be happy unless you win the national championship, and frankly I don't care what they think anymore". Was an off the cuff comment to another old timer. Truly do you want a HC who listens to what "the fans "think. Can you imagine that scenario given some of the crazy stuff just on here from a lot of posters who wouldn't know the color of Shite in they stepped in it.

The only people who don't care what their customers think are people with lifetime contracts.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

The only people who don't care what their customers think are people with lifetime contracts.

We're fans, and we DON'T pay his salary. Not sure why this always comes up. I get that people would like to see a more exciting brand of football, and they're ready to see a new regime, BUT we'll be damn lucky if we're able to win 9+ games most every year with the next HC. Not saying it can't happen, but I wouldn't be betting on it either. And for the record Kirk does not have a lifetime contract....

 

[yrunvs]

The only people who don't care what their customers think are people with lifetime contracts.

Somebody forgot to take their meds today.

 

[Grayhair1981]

We're fans, and we DON'T pay his salary. Not sure why this always comes up. I get that people would like to see a more exciting brand of football, and they're ready to see a new regime, BUT we'll be damn lucky if we're able to win 9+ games most every year with the next HC. Not saying it can't happen, but I wouldn't be betting on it either. And for the record Kirk does not have a lifetime contract....

Who DOES pay his salary?

 

[Grayhair1981]

Somebody forgot to take their meds today.

Does Eyes know you are using his keyboard?

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

Who DOES pay his salary?

He's paid by the University through the athletic dept, which is a seperate entity from the Universities general fund. People get confused because they say he's "the highest paid STATE employee". The problem is he's NOT paid by the state. His contract AND his assistants (all of whom got raises) is paid almost entirely by some gate receipts and the media contracts, (the media contracts being by far the lions share), with the remainder from the apparel contract with Nike and camp fees. Its totally through the athletic dept. I guess you could say a bit of its paid by ticket buyers, but its largely by the TV contract and other endorsements.

 

[Grayhair1981]

He's paid by the University through the athletic dept, which is a seperate entity from the Universities general fund. People get confused because they say he's "the highest paid STATE employee". The problem is he's NOT paid by the state. His contract AND his assistants (all of whom got raises) is paid almost entirely by some gate receipts and the media contracts, (the media contracts being by far the lions share), with the remainder from the apparel contract with Nike and camp fees. Its totally through the athletic dept. I guess you could say a bit of its paid by ticket buyers, but its largely by the TV contract and other endorsements.

And where do those gate receipts come from?

 

[Pawkhawk1]

And where do those gate receipts come from?

Jack wagons like you that are DONATING TO THE AHTLETIC FUND when you buy a ticket for your entertainment. Entertainment. That is what you pay for.

 

[Grayhair1981]

Jack wagons like you that are DONATING TO THE AHTLETIC FUND when you buy a ticket for your entertainment. Entertainment. That is what you pay for.

So the people who pay his salary ARE customers?

 

[HawksRule73]

So the people who pay his salary ARE customers?

Pretty sure his salary is endowed by the Moon dude who owns the truckstop. So yeah, that one guy is his customer. Except that customer just died.

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

And where do those gate receipts come from?

Oh, okay, you got me. That's by far the smallest % of his pay, but your right, he works for you. Good Lord. By that way of thinking, his BOSS is the TV networks who pay the lions share, and then probably the Nike contract. If that works better for you then his boss is the networks.....

 

[Kceasthawk@77]

So the people who pay his salary ARE customers?

By that way of thinking his customers are the B1G Network, NBC, Peacock etc.. since they pay the lions share of his salary.....Sounds kind of silly calling them "his customers" don't you think? Do you suppose he should be concerned about what they think, or listening to them for ideas on coaching, since they pay the bulk of his contract?

 

[eyesofhawk]

Let's just focus on 2022, because it is the perfect representation of why that remark is a bit cringe.

For context, starting in 2017, BF's offense ranked 117th, 92nd, 99th, 88th and 121st nationally, through 2021 (103rd average out of ~130).

In 2022 his offense ranked 130th (out of 131 teams). The offense averaged 251YPG with Petras (mostly). Meanwhile, the defense was ranked #2 in the nation, allowed 271YPG and had these fellers running around: Jack Campbell, Riley Moss, Van Ness, and Cooper DeJean.

For more context the average national ranking for the defense for the same period (2017 - 2021) was 13.

Now, one could argue that those numbers should have given a head coach enough confidence to fire the OC and give the DC a massive raise. What did the guy that says "IDGAF" do instead? Gave the OC another shot in 2023.

The result? 133rd out of 133 nationally, 246YPG. The D? 7th in the nation, 282YPG with DeJean, Higgins, Castro, Logan Lee.

So, yeah, he doesn't seem to have cared about offense during his son's tenure as OC. That is clear. And that is a sad waste of so much defensive talent during those years.

Sounds as if KF must have deeply cared about the defense.

Among the standard weak narratives you've presented here, you're implying that KF didn’t care about his job performance.

Actually think about that for a second. If you ever want to be taken at all serious, now is the time to amend that implication

 

[eyesofhawk]

Do people not understand how silly they sound to go out of their way to criticize a hall of fame coach?

It's truly mind-boggling to me

 

[pocha444444]

Sounds as if KF must have deeply cared about the defense.

Among the standard weak narratives you've presented here, you're implying that KF didn’t care about his job performance.

Actually think about that for a second. If you ever want to be taken at all serious, now is the time to amend that implication

Could it be that he cared about his job performance, he just happened to care about his son's job security more? There's really no other explanation.

 

[eyesofhawk]

Could it be that he cared about his job performance, he just happened to care about his son's job security more? There's really no other explanation.

I feel sorry for you even considering that an option.

Could it be that with BF at OC, KF was in the midst of his winningest stretch at Iowa?

And could it be that KF knew that the distinguishing factor between the '22 offense, and BF's 5 previous offenses, had almost nothing to do with BF?

I know you all have your narratives to uphold, and hatred in your hearts to justify, but welcome to reality, people

 

[WeBeHerkin]

I bet Beth Mowins says the same

 

[Anon1751457816]

No one gives a **** about 4 years ago anymore. Good lord, why are folks even still bringing this up? Brian's no longer here, we're in a better place, and a new season is about to start. There's a lot better **** to talk about than that.

Thank Beth for that

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

Could it be that he cared about his job performance, he just happened to care about his son's job security more? There's really no other explanation.

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

Sounds as if KF must have deeply cared about the defense.

Among the standard weak narratives you've presented here, you're implying that KF didn’t care about his job performance.

Actually think about that for a second. If you ever want to be taken at all serious, now is the time to amend that implication

No one cares Brian. You can't hurt us anymore.

 

[eyesofhawk]

No one cares Brian. You can't hurt us anymore.

Fans should always care about how they and other fans act.

It's not about BF or KF.

It's about fans having gotten it terribly wrong.

There simply is NO justification for fan negativity to have reached its all-time high, during what at the time, was the final season ('23) of KF's winningest stretch at Iowa. NONE

 

[85Bears]

No one cares Brian. You can't hurt us anymore.

The Clemson board is missing this worthless troll

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

The Clemson board is missing this worthless troll