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Macho Man

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Like Jeff Kinney?
I meant this f***ing century 😂 but keep playing dumb thinking kids from rural Nebraska can come in and compete with kids from GA/CA/FL etc. I know it’s tough to hear but put your big boy pants on and look at the evidence lol
 

Nuts McClanahan

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LOL at you bringing up thinking. Go back at look at our rosters over the years and count the # of nebrakans we handed scholarships to that NEVER contributed, especially the ones from outside of Omaha. But I’m sure you thought a slow, white running back from Wahoo was going to tear the Bug Ten up 😂
Your argument is so weak that I'm not going to waste any time looking at past rosters. This program has lots of problems. You apparently think that we don't and recruiting one or two fewer kids from Nebraska a year will make a "HUGE" difference. Who gets the scholarship that Wahoo kid's scholarship instead? What's your magic answer that will turn everything around?
 
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dinglefritz

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I meant this f***ing century 😂 but keep playing dumb thinking kids from rural Nebraska can come in and compete with kids from GA/CA/FL etc. I know it’s tough to hear but put your big boy pants on and look at the evidence lol
So you have to be a black kid from Florida to be a starting B1G RB? The obvious fact is that it’s a numbers deal. Our population base and demographics make it less likely that the state will produce a top RB. That said, you can’t assume that a small town white kid wont end up being an NFL talent. Most of the small town white kids we take are walk on depth pieces.
 
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Macho Man

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Your argument is so weak that I'm not going to waste any time looking at past rosters. This program has lots of problems. You apparently think that we don't and recruiting one or two fewer kids from Nebraska a year will make a "HUGE" difference. Who gets the scholarship that Wahoo kid's scholarship instead? What's your magic answer that will turn everything around?
Who gets that scholarship? Idk a kid in Texas, Florida, Georgia, California, you know someone who has played against real competition and not class C 1 in a state with less people than Houston. The magic answer: HIRE THE RIGHT COACH, who will then hire the right coaches and not his buddies. Pretty easy to see 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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Macho Man

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So you have to be a black kid from Florida to be a starting B1G RB? The obvious fact is that it’s a numbers deal. Our population base and demographics make it less likely that the state will produce a top RB. That said, you can’t assume that a small town white kid wont end up being an NFL talent. Most of the small town white kids we take are walk on depth pieces.
😂 Name a small town white kid that’s a starting P4 running back. I’ll wait lol. Are you really not aware that basically 100% of the starting RBs in P4 college and the NFL are NOT small town white kids from low population states???
 

dinglefritz

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😂 Name a small town white kid that’s a starting P4 running back. I’ll wait lol. Are you really not aware that basically 100% of the starting RBs in P4 college and the NFL are NOT small town white kids from low population states???
Danny Woodhead did it. Your beef is more about their skin color than the size of their school. Again, it’s an obvious statistical fact that the number of kids playing RB in the state of Nebraska is a fraction of the number of kids playing RB in almost any other state with a P4 school. It has more to do with NUMBERS of people. We really haven’t often offered many scholarships to small school RBs and when we have it’s usually as an athlete who might end up at safety or LB.
 

Macho Man

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Danny Woodhead did it. Your beef is more about their skin color than the size of their school. Again, it’s an obvious statistical fact that the number of kids playing RB in the state of Nebraska is a fraction of the number of kids playing RB in almost any other state with a P4 school. It has more to do with NUMBERS of people. We really haven’t often offered many scholarships to small school RBs and when we have it’s usually as an athlete who might end up at safety or LB.
I literally brought up class C1 Nebraska kids without mentioning race. Try to keep up slow poke lol
 

dinglefritz

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I literally brought up class C1 Nebraska kids without mentioning race. Try to keep up slow poke lol
You were the one who first included skin color in your qualifier. There are roughly 2 black players in all of class C. We get you. It’s still a numbers game. Just so happened we found a really good white RB a few years ago at a little bigger school in Texas so it does happen. Last time I checked one of the best RBs in the NFL is white. IF we had 5-10 million people in the state of Nebraska, the bell curve says there’s a chance we could find a white starting RB for you. Maybe he would be at a class C school.
 

RikeMiley

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I'm not really on one side or the other but wasn't it a running meme that every Florida recruit we had either never made it here or was a bust in the 2010s and 2020s, kind of the same with the calibraska stuff
 

Macho Man

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You were the one who first included skin color in your qualifier. There are roughly 2 black players in all of class C. We get you. It’s still a numbers game. Just so happened we found a really good white RB a few years ago at a little bigger school in Texas so it does happen. Last time I checked one of the best RBs in the NFL is white. IF we had 5-10 million people in the state of Nebraska, the bell curve says there’s a chance we could find a white starting RB for you. Maybe he would be at a class C school.
So I’m talking about the last 26 years in all of CFB and the NFL and you bring up TWO players 😂neither of which was from Nebraska 🤷🏻‍♂️ You also just proved my original point which is that we hand out way too many scholarships to Nebraska kids.
 
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RikeMiley

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I'm not really on one side or the other but wasn't it a running meme that every Florida recruit we had either never made it here or was a bust in the 2010s and 2020s, kind of the same with the calibraska stuff
I can't find it at the moment but I'm pretty sure Nebraska was the worst talent evaluator during that time frame also based on how many four-star recruits turned out to be starters.
 
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What I see when thinking about this topic is that most Nebraska fans "fear" that the local kid who doesn't go to Nebraska is going to be super successful at the school they choose. There are several examples of players coming out of high school, that were either lightly recruited and went on to relative success elsewhere. Not all of those players are the Harrison Phillips who went to Stanford because of the education or Noah Fant who went to Iowa because that team had more success sending TE to the NFL and ran an offense that utilized the TE position.

I probably fall somewhere in the middle with regards to the subject. I don't think there have been too many Nebraskans on the roster, or that the number of Nebraskans on the roster contributed to the lack of team success. However, there have been enough that haven't fulfilled the "promise" to where I can see someone of the opinion that there are too many.
 

RikeMiley

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"2009 to 2019 These are: Four out of 65 four-star Nebraska signees were drafted during the 11-year period — 6.2 percent, 46th out of 46 programs that signed 20 or more four-star prospects.

Seventeen of its 165 three-star signees from the analyzed 11-year period were drafted — 10.3 percent, 23rd in the Power 5."


So basically Nebraska was absolutely dog **** at evaluating and developing four star prospects in the 2010s but decent at three stars. It's not looking much better for the five years after that, only Fidone got drafted so far as a 4*.
 
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dinglefritz

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So I’m talking about the last 26 years in all of CFB and the NFL and you bring up TWO players 😂neither of which was from Nebraska 🤷🏻‍♂️ You also just proved my original point which is that we hand out way too many scholarships to Nebraska kids.
Woodhead was from Nebraska. The point is, it does happen. Can you imagine the howling if a small town white Nebraska kid went to KSU and was a good starting P4 RB? 😉
 
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Nuts McClanahan

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Who gets that scholarship? Idk a kid in Texas, Florida, Georgia, California, you know someone who has played against real competition and not class C 1 in a state with less people than Houston. The magic answer: HIRE THE RIGHT COACH, who will then hire the right coaches and not his buddies. Pretty easy to see 🤷🏻‍♂️
What is the percentage of NU recruits from Florida, Texas, Georgia and California who have made a program changing impact at NU over the last 15 years? I'll wait.
 

dinglefritz

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What is the percentage of NU recruits from Florida, Texas, Georgia and California who have made a program changing impact at NU over the last 15 years? I'll wait.
Failure to make an impact is not limited to white small town kids. If you get 1/3-1/4 of your scholarship recipients to play a meaningful role, it’s probably about the norm.
 

Nuts McClanahan

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Failure to make an impact is not limited to white small town kids. If you get 1/3-1/4 of your scholarship recipients to play a meaningful role, it’s probably about the norm.
The original comment that I was referring to was recruiting in-state kids is a "HUGE" part of Nebraska's problem. Then he singles out one player. Not arguing with your comment about meaningful contribution, but a meaningful contribution isn't going to turn the tide and fix that "HUGE" problem that was referred to. Apparently the coaching is just a minor issue, but by God if we can get another Florida kid in here instead of a Nebraska kid, well then we'll be walking in high cotton.
 

orclover11

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Failure to make an impact is not limited to white small town kids. If you get 1/3-1/4 of your scholarship recipients to play a meaningful role, it’s probably about the norm.
Disregarding the demographics of the NFL... 90-95% of NFL running backs are not white despite white athlete making up the vast majority of high school football players in the country. Nebraska football is WAY behind in terms of participation, nutrition, development compared to the South and Texas. Even if Nebraska had more favorable demographics it still doesn't have the infrastructure and competition to develop great high school football players. Nebraska kids start way behind and even when gifted with NFL talent it will take them a while to catch up with the speed, physicality, and mental part of college football...there just aren't that many reps which is why you want the top talent, they are ready to go. We saw that with Dylan. Despite his moving around, he played at good programs and came in more prepared than any QB on the roster, including the Nebraska guys who had been here a half decade. Watching Dylan as a true freshman was night and day relative to the qbs from the previous season.
 

dinglefritz

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Disregarding the demographics of the NFL... 90-95% of NFL running backs are not white despite white athlete making up the vast majority of high school football players in the country. Nebraska football is WAY behind in terms of participation, nutrition, development compared to the South and Texas. Even if Nebraska had more favorable demographics it still doesn't have the infrastructure and competition to develop great high school football players. Nebraska kids start way behind and even when gifted with NFL talent it will take them a while to catch up with the speed, physicality, and mental part of college football...there just aren't that many reps which is why you want the top talent, they are ready to go. We saw that with Dylan. Despite his moving around, he played at good programs and came in more prepared than any QB on the roster, including the Nebraska guys who had been here a half decade. Watching Dylan as a true freshman was night and day relative to the qbs from the previous season.
So what’s the point? Should we never offer a small town Nebraska kid again? We’ve had some damn good small town guys start for us at skill positions while we were winning conference and national titles. Our problem hasn’t been too many Nebraska guys on the roster.
 

orclover11

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So what’s the point? Should we never offer a small town Nebraska kid again? We’ve had some damn good small town guys start for us at skill positions while we were winning conference and national titles. Our problem hasn’t been too many Nebraska guys on the roster.
1. In the 80s and 90s Nebraska high schools universally ran the option and fed directly into the walkon program. Even absolute superstars in HS like Holbein were still very average college players. Omaha had a history of great running backs...those days are over.
2. Kids did farm work by hand...it might be a trope but our walk-ons from Nebraska did heavy labor in their teens. Fewer kids are farming and those that do sit in combines.
3. Meeting time limits, practice rep limits hurts team with huge rosters making walk-ons actually unhealthy. Throw in the fact the HS kids all play different systems and Nebraska is behind in development and nutrition and just overall reps and Nebraska kids might be one of the worst places to get talent. There have been many more NFL players from the Dakotas and Wyoming recently.
 

dinglefritz

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1. In the 80s and 90s Nebraska high schools universally ran the option and fed directly into the walkon program. Even absolute superstars in HS like Holbein were still very average college players. Omaha had a history of great running backs...those days are over.
2. Kids did farm work by hand...it might be a trope but our walk-ons from Nebraska did heavy labor in their teens. Fewer kids are farming and those that do sit in combines.
3. Meeting time limits, practice rep limits hurts team with huge rosters making walk-ons actually unhealthy. Throw in the fact the HS kids all play different systems and Nebraska is behind in development and nutrition and just overall reps and Nebraska kids might be one of the worst places to get talent. There have been many more NFL players from the Dakotas and Wyoming recently.
Whether we ran the option or something else really wasn’t relevant. We had/have PLENTY of out of state players on our roster. The problem has clearly been not recruiting enough of the right ones. When you have a losing record year after year you’re likely not getting the 4* kids that better P4 programs are after. IF we did then we sure as heck didn’t get enough of them developed. A 4* ranking is arrived at by guys who have never coached a college player. Offers are self reported so there’s some question about accuracy. The hit rate on 4* kids nationally is higher but it’s clearly not an exact science and we were at the bottom of turning out nfl players under Frost. Let’s hope that changes.
 

jkeb

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I checked Indiana's roster and was a little surprised. Here is a side-by-side comparison of Indiana and Nebraska:

NEBRASKA
INDIANA
FRESHMAN
25​
44​
SOPHOMORE
43​
14​
JUNIOR
30​
15​
SENIOR
18​
24​
116
97

It appears, in terms of percentages of Juniors and Seniors to the overall roster, Nebraska is the older team. Here is the math:

Nebraska (41.4%)
30 + 18 = 48 (total juniors and seniors)
48 ÷ 116 (size of roster) = 41.4%

Indiana

24 + 15 = 39 (total juniors and seniors)
39 ÷ 97 (size of roster) = 40.2%

Or is there another method of quantifying the age of a football team?
More accurate would be how many uears they have been here as opposed to class. I mean a "redshirt sophomore" is a year 3 player. You would need at least 5 years but maybe 6 or 7 for some guys.
 
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jkeb

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Nebraska is the 11th oldest roster in P4 this season, Indiana 55th but that's the entire roster, not the starters or two deep on each team.

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Interesting. When you look at the Big 10 and SEC, the crappy teams are older and the good teams are younger. I suppose if you get the best players out of high school and the portal, while the busts get flushed and the best get drafted, it will keep you young. Then to get a special team you have the stars align, so a good team with good players ages up like Miami and Indiana. Meanwhile crappy teams get developmental players out of high school who don't see the field for 3 years and older cast offs through the portal, then start thinking they might be good because they are old but that isn't how it works. You have to be good at football too.
 
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jeans1515

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I checked Indiana's roster and was a little surprised. Here is a side-by-side comparison of Indiana and Nebraska:

NEBRASKA
INDIANA
FRESHMAN
25​
44​
SOPHOMORE
43​
14​
JUNIOR
30​
15​
SENIOR
18​
24​
116
97

It appears, in terms of percentages of Juniors and Seniors to the overall roster, Nebraska is the older team. Here is the math:

Nebraska (41.4%)
30 + 18 = 48 (total juniors and seniors)
48 ÷ 116 (size of roster) = 41.4%

Indiana

24 + 15 = 39 (total juniors and seniors)
39 ÷ 97 (size of roster) = 40.2%

Or is there another method of quantifying the age of a football team?
That's hh
I checked Indiana's roster and was a little surprised. Here is a side-by-side comparison of Indiana and Nebraska:

NEBRASKA
INDIANA
FRESHMAN
25​
44​
SOPHOMORE
43​
14​
JUNIOR
30​
15​
SENIOR
18​
24​
116
97

It appears, in terms of percentages of Juniors and Seniors to the overall roster, Nebraska is the older team. Here is the math:

Nebraska (41.4%)
30 + 18 = 48 (total juniors and seniors)
48 ÷ 116 (size of roster) = 41.4%

Indiana

24 + 15 = 39 (total juniors and seniors)
39 ÷ 97 (size of roster) = 40.2%

Or is there another method of quantifying the age of a football tea

"Miami starters were older than Indiana starters in the 2026 CFP National Championship, contradicting the narrative that Indiana was the uniquely veteran team. Based on estimates using years since high school graduation, Miami’s starters had an average age of 22.18 years, while Indiana’s starters averaged 21.95 years. This indicates Miami’s starting lineup was older by approximately three months"

Indiana wasn't even the oldest playoff team let alone older than NFL rosters, yes they were a veteran team but it's not like these are all middle-aged men.
So the 2 oldest teams played for the NC.
 

nu2u

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Being old is the smart thing do to.

MSU is going to suck...Once fitz lost his DC...NW was horrible again.
Fitzpatrick was able to retain Joe Rossi - one of the best DCs out there. And Fitz lured OC Nick Sheridan away from Alabama. I think the player roster is suspect, especially on offense, but the Coordinators are solid.
 

VeryHotCarl

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Fitzpatrick was able to retain Joe Rossi - one of the best DCs out there. And Fitz lured OC Nick Sheridan away from Alabama. I think the player roster is suspect, especially on offense, but the Coordinators are solid.
Don’t forget Iowa’s long time special teams coordinator