JFC. “WE NEED TO LET THEM DO INSIDER TRADING TO FEED THEIR FAMILIES”

[baltimorened]

Socialism attempts to provide basic needs for all citizens and reducing large gaps between the rich and poor. No one wants that, right?

The SS fund runs out in 6 years Ned. If we continue spending on the dumbest possible sh't, it will likely be gone before I retire. Isn't that fun? Your generation got their benefits, pull that ladder up my man. Who GAF about anyone else as long as you got your "fair share". Just because I have paid in for 36 years doesn't mean I am entitled to it because "no one wants socialism" right? We on the same page now?

like I posted, I guess you're all in on socialism. I guess you can't wrap your head around my statement that I didn't ask to be part of social security, neither did you. I paid my share and now that I'm of age I get what the law provides. I was totally accepting of the requirement when I paid in the same way that you did. You're pushing me over socialism, well welcome to that world. This is the program you're pushing to prove your point and yet you're complaining that the concept you're supporting may not be there for you.

If you're concerned about as being there when it's your turn call or write your representative and/or senators. Heck, I'm working within the socialist concept, I'd think you'd be happy

 

[Yellowsnow51]

Of that I agree.........but they have enough couth to not try to gas light that it's to feed their families

No. Dems save the “feed their family” argument for looters and shoplifters stealing TVs and cologne.

 

[Moogy]

For years I have been complaining that Bernie wrongly called himself a Democratic socialist instead of what he actually is which is a social democrat. So right now we have some people that are actually DSA, and we have people calling themselves Democratic Socialists because Bernie did. Often times when people are saying they are Democratic Socialists they are saying they are Bernie types, and they may or may not even know the DSA or what they are about.

To be fair we also have the same issue when some people say they are a classical liberal which as that term mostly is the same as saying a libertarian. While some people know the term and use it properly, other people hear it and say "oh yeah, I am a classical liberal too."

Even with politically knowledgeable people on this board I have noticed most people don't know the differences. So fully expect to see these words misused both here and especially in the news as DSA is an easy slander with a much more extreme platform than Bernie types.

Why not provide proper working definitions of all these terms/labels so all the ignoramuses can be properly edumacated and do the right thing going forward, rather than ranting for paragraphs how everyone else is stoopiit?

 

[aCEOuProbablyKnow]

For years I have been complaining that Bernie wrongly called himself a Democratic socialist instead of what he actually is which is a social democrat. So right now we have some people that are actually DSA, and we have people calling themselves Democratic Socialists because Bernie did. Often times when people are saying they are Democratic Socialists they are saying they are Bernie types, and they may or may not even know the DSA or what they are about.

To be fair we also have the same issue when some people say they are a classical liberal which as that term mostly is the same as saying a libertarian. While some people know the term and use it properly, other people hear it and say "oh yeah, I am a classical liberal too."

Even with politically knowledgeable people on this board I have noticed most people don't know the differences. So fully expect to see these words misused both here and especially in the news as DSA is an easy slander with a much more extreme platform than Bernie types.

^^^^
Thinks @troonponsbunghole is a woman.

 

[aCEOuProbablyKnow]

I don't think you do get my points. Roads, water, electricity. You use all these everyday. None if these would be possible about socialism. All of you Conservative bums do. And you love it.

But the second some poor kid needs food or housing, you blow a gasket.

Why SHOULDN'T illegal immigrants have their whole lives subsidized by us?!

 

[Discomonkey]

The shared support of services like these is an element of civilization,... Not socialism

Community infrastructure is an element of civilization but doesn't have socialistic attributes. That's an interesting take.

Here's a different take I pulled from the web...

In the United States, community infrastructure is generally considered part of the socialist side of the country’s mixed economy, even though the U.S. is officially a capitalist system.

Why it’s often seen as socialist. Socialism is defined by collective or state ownership and management of the “means of production” — not just factories and farms, but also essential services and public works. Many economists include public roads, bridges, water systems, parks, libraries, transit, and other community facilities in this category because they are funded by taxpayers, managed for the public good, and not primarily aimed at profit.

Our country's economic system contains a blend of socialism and capitalism. When it comes to categorizing community infrastructure as socialism or capitalism, it's pretty simple. If you're a Democrat, the communal expenses involved with building and maintaining shared infrastructure is socialism. If you're a Republican, it's stuff we need so we all pay for it, but it's not socialism because it's stuff we need.

 

[Rifler]

Community infrastructure is an element of civilization but doesn't have socialistic attributes. That's an interesting take.

I said that it's not socialism,... Your term, "socialistic attributes", could be applied to practically anything involving social interaction.

 

[Discomonkey]

I said that it's not socialism,... Your term, "socialistic attributes", could be applied to practically anything involving social interaction.

Hmm, an interesting point. Not necessary salient to the discussion at hand, but interesting nonetheless. Anyway, I'm guessing it's safe to presume you fall into the "it's stuff we need so we all pay for it, but it's not socialism because it's stuff we need" camp I referenced above. Duly noted.

 

[Moral]

Why not provide proper working definitions of all these terms/labels so all the ignoramuses can be properly edumacated and do the right thing going forward, rather than ranting for paragraphs how everyone else is stoopiit?

 

[Rifler]

Hmm, an interesting point. Not necessary salient to the discussion at hand, but interesting nonetheless. Anyway, I'm guessing it's safe to presume you fall into the "it's stuff we need so we all pay for it, but it's not socialism because it's stuff we need" camp I referenced above. Duly noted.

More fairly I'd have to say that it's "stuff we all need, so we all pay for it"...

 

[Jerome Silberman]

Maybe the lines between the isms aren't as definitive as the true believers would have us believe.

 

[Moogy]

So you don't really know, either. Got it.

 

[Gibbs_dontbanmetom]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. All politicians are crooks.

 

[Moogy]

Community infrastructure is an element of civilization but doesn't have socialistic attributes. That's an interesting take.

Here's a different take I pulled from the web...

In the United States, community infrastructure is generally considered part of the socialist side of the country’s mixed economy, even though the U.S. is officially a capitalist system.

Why it’s often seen as socialist. Socialism is defined by collective or state ownership and management of the “means of production” — not just factories and farms, but also essential services and public works. Many economists include public roads, bridges, water systems, parks, libraries, transit, and other community facilities in this category because they are funded by taxpayers, managed for the public good, and not primarily aimed at profit.

Our country's economic system contains a blend of socialism and capitalism. When it comes to categorizing community infrastructure as socialism or capitalism, it's pretty simple. If you're a Democrat, the communal expenses involved with building and maintaining shared infrastructure is socialism. If you're a Republican, it's stuff we need so we all pay for it, but it's not socialism because it's stuff we need.

When I searched for any of the passages you claimed were pulled from the web, to source them, nothing came up.

Regardless, I believe his point to be that pure capitalism exists absolutely nowhere. It's a theoretical ideological extreme. We "need" certain things to be handled, in some form or fashion, by the state (or some comparable collective). And basics, such as certain portions of infrastructure, are presumed to be handled by the state/public, and we make our determinations of capitalistic/socialistic from THAT starting point.

The reason why this is meaningful is that what we're seeing, in today's society, looking at a potentially post-MAGAt society, is an attempt at a "give an inch, take a mile" power grab by the socialists/progressives ... i.e., get people to admit that some portions of our economic system have government ownership/management/oversight ... and then just say "well, we can make all these other things government run, then, too." You know, because we're already partly socialist, so what's a little more? And then a little more. And a little more.

So, progressive, extremist lefties saying "that's socialism!" with regard to basic infrastructure being supplied by the state is something to be wary of, amongst the moderates (we're ignoring the MAGAts here, as they'll do and say whatever in order to attempt to retain power).

 

[baltimorened]

Hmm, an interesting point. Not necessary salient to the discussion at hand, but interesting nonetheless. Anyway, I'm guessing it's safe to presume you fall into the "it's stuff we need so we all pay for it, but it's not socialism because it's stuff we need" camp I referenced above. Duly noted.

does it make a difference? We can all agree that there are some shared needs that are paid for by tax dollars that are "used" by all including those who do not pay taxes or equal taxes. And, for the most part we're all OK with that. You want to call that phase of our economy socialism, fine. But, I doubt most would disagree with the fact that the US economy is based on capitalistic principles. Heck, even the democrat socialist would agree with that statement because it's the economic system they want to replace.

 

[Moral]

So you don't really know, either. Got it.

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Non sequitur. Idiot.

 

[aCEOuProbablyKnow]

Non sequitur. Idiot.

Str8 up phaggotron.

 

[Moral]

Str8 up phaggotron.

NOBODY CALLS ME PHAGGOTRON

 

[aCEOuProbablyKnow]

NOBODY CALLS ME PHAGGOTRON

 

[Moogy]

Non sequitur. Idiot.

Wut? You ranted that everyone was two stoopit to know political ideologies, so we should be prepared to watch all the stoopitheads screw it up. I asked you to properly define the terminology so there would be know stoopitheads, and you refused. I said that was evidence you didn't actually know them, yourself. And you shout "non sequitur." It's very sequitur. It's all sequitur up in here.

 

[Moral]

Wut? You ranted that everyone was two stoopit to know political ideologies, so we should be prepared to watch all the stoopitheads screw it up. I asked you to properly define the terminology so there would be know stoopitheads, and you refused. I said that was evidence you didn't actually know them, yourself. And you shout "non sequitur." It's very sequitur. It's all sequitur up in here.

I shouted it?

 

[AFM22]

I shouted it?

Non sequitor.

 

[Moral]

Non sequitor.

 

[AFM22]

Non sequitor.

Did I use this right!? Are you proud of me?

 

[AFM22]

Awwww don’t be sad little buddy

 

[Moral]

Did I use this right!? Are you proud of me?

Yes, I'm proud.

 

[AFM22]

I shouted it?

Probably felt like it because you’re 6’7” and that’s very intimidating for some people.

 

[Moral]

Probably felt like it because you’re 6’7” and that’s very intimidating for some people.

That's true.

 

[Moogy]

I shouted it?

You shi.tted it.

You shouted and sh.itted.