Growing momentum for college football collective bargaining
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it seems the "SAVE" act is fading under the lack of SEC and B1G support. Collective Bargaining is probably the only way to avoid a stream of lawsuits around NIL and comp., imo. 5-for-5 is a great first step to cleaning up the one-year free agency mess, too.
Once those two ugly aspects of the sport get flattened (if ever), there are aspects of the Save Act that should be considered again. Someone needs to show the courage to challenge the Conference set-ups, including the constant realignment and the continuation of Conf. Championship games. We need to get the season over in mid-January, not at the end of January like this season will be. Saturdays (post Jan. 1) need to continue to belong to College ball in the post-season, unlike this season's Semis on Thursday and Friday and the Final on a Monday again.
So, to get to the greater good, I'll grit my teeth and grind through a unionized college football with collective bargaining. I'll end up hating it, but it's likely the path of least resistance for the foreseeable future.
Once those two ugly aspects of the sport get flattened (if ever), there are aspects of the Save Act that should be considered again. Someone needs to show the courage to challenge the Conference set-ups, including the constant realignment and the continuation of Conf. Championship games. We need to get the season over in mid-January, not at the end of January like this season will be. Saturdays (post Jan. 1) need to continue to belong to College ball in the post-season, unlike this season's Semis on Thursday and Friday and the Final on a Monday again.
So, to get to the greater good, I'll grit my teeth and grind through a unionized college football with collective bargaining. I'll end up hating it, but it's likely the path of least resistance for the foreseeable future.
This isn't a simple solution. Federal laws must be changed to allow it to happen.
The IRS has rules that define who is an employee and who is a subcontractor.
The Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938 has numerous rules that just don't fit college players as employees.
I am sure that there are other legal obstacles.
That is a good assessment of the situation. The one thing we can all agree on is that these kids are no longer student athletes, at least in football and basketball. They are professional athletes.
I’ve asked this before, but I don’t recall an answer, if there is a clear one:
If athletes form a union and thereby become employees of their “school” (
), would they be subjected to annual performance reviews and could they be sh|tcanned for poor performance?
”Mr. Smith, your completion percentage and TD/ INT ratio were below the expectations laid out in your annual performance goals. As a result, we are going to put you on a performance improvement plan or PIP. HR will be contacting you with details.”
If athletes form a union and thereby become employees of their “school” (
), would they be subjected to annual performance reviews and could they be sh|tcanned for poor performance?”Mr. Smith, your completion percentage and TD/ INT ratio were below the expectations laid out in your annual performance goals. As a result, we are going to put you on a performance improvement plan or PIP. HR will be contacting you with details.”
Sure, be the first school to do that and see how many employees/ players run to play for that school. Even more so when you aren’t even in the top 10 for “salaries”.I’ve asked this before, but I don’t recall an answer, if there is a clear one:
If athletes form a union and thereby become employees of their “school” (
”Mr. Smith, your completion percentage and TD/ INT ratio were below the expectations laid out in your annual performance goals. As a result, we are going to put you on a performance improvement plan or PIP. HR will be contacting you with details.”
Of course.
To be clear:
Meaning "Of course it is taxable to the recipient (ballplayer). Obviously"
If they become employees of the school would they be subject to limitations on how long they could play?I’ve asked this before, but I don’t recall an answer, if there is a clear one:
If athletes form a union and thereby become employees of their “school” (
”Mr. Smith, your completion percentage and TD/ INT ratio were below the expectations laid out in your annual performance goals. As a result, we are going to put you on a performance improvement plan or PIP. HR will be contacting you with details.”
Or could they get tenure and play there forever?
a be careful what you wish for moment. CBA will end up regulating NIL and portal process. Or at least the teams will want to regulate those aspects of the game. And the teams will want some method of regulating/ certifying player representatives. Could end up giving bosses more power.
At this point, I'm not sure how any change would not give the bosses more power.
This may be the first time in history that the labor side of the CBA wants a salary cap. Usually, it is the ownership side.
They can end the season a week or close to a week after New Years and on a Saturday like you suggest. Semis can be on New Years Day. Quarters the weekend around Christmas. No CCG and eliminate a regular season game.
Most of these idiots will end up like Tony Dorsett, cleaned out by the IRS.
All monies received by a player except grants to cover tuition and mandatory fees are taxable. In the case of faux NIL, the incidence of taxation probably falls on the giver.
I was of impression NIL was personal service contract between player and who ever was licensing their NIL. So in that situation tax would be on player as self employed?
An amazing 78% of NFL players are bankrupt within 12 years of retirement. They're much smarter than their attorneys, accountants and financial advisors!
Imagine being born on 3rd base with a ton of money and doing that 6 times over. Brilliant.
Money for nothin' and their chicks for free.
Barry, please confirm/clarify if you know....
The NIL deals are paid as 1099s, I believe. So no taxes taken up front, and the tax liability is on the player. Unless the payments were in cash (!!), the contributing businesses would make sure the paperwork was filed so that they can claim their payments as marketing expenses.
I don't know about currently, but at least initially, this "tax thing" was not made clear (or not clear enough, perhaps) to the players, who were shocked - shocked, I tell you! - to realize that they needed to pay their taxes on their NIL monies.
Instead of educating and working with them to plan and to take their own responsibility in this, one of the collectives began reaching out to folks who had already donated via the collective to ask the donors to chip in toward paying the kids' taxes! WTH?!
We can only hope that those early oversights and missteps have been corrected and that the players are educated on this and have a thorough understanding about the financial responsibilities that go along with collecting the compensation. Well, I hope for and expect that at Penn State, anyway.
I couldn't speak with certainty as to whether the ballplayers are paid via "1099" - but I don't really know how else it would be done (they are certainly not "employees" of those entities paying the "NIL" money).
As such, there is no way for the "donors" or the collectives to pay those taxes for them - all they can do is "send more money" (after collecting their handsome cut off of the top), and hope the recipient uses the funds to pay their taxes.
Truthfully, such a plea from the collectives just sounds like more of the standard grifter schemes that these collectives have become notorious for (like the "tax-deductible for the donor" schemes).
If that is the case, there would be no system in place whereby the university (or the "collective") could make sure the recipients are properly dealing with their individual tax liabilities - aside from providing education/information to them, outlining "how it works".
It is hard for me to believe that the ballplayers - or no one close to them (hell, many of them have Agents
) - wouldn't be aware of those liabilities. But who knows?PS: One of the more interesting money trails to follow would be: How are these folks running the "collectives" being paid?
Since this began, a sizeable chunk of "collected" dollars was taken off the top by the administrators and employees of the collective. But as these bizzare constructs have become more and more ingrained into the athletic departments themselves, where else is the money flowing? Are the athletic departments funding the collectives - with University money? We know that many of these collectives are physically housed right in the athletic department offices. Are the collectives paying rent? Is the university picking up the costs? Are the universities paying not only for those overhead expenses, but also paying the collectives with "cash money"?
It is so fubar anything could be going on. None of it that suggests, IMO, "Success with Honor" (Or 'Comprehensive Excellence"
Obviously )
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I was hoping for the international ladies garment workers union.
Look for , the union label!
542 Operating Engineers of Philadelphia
Or
THE UNITED BROTHERHOOD OF CARPENTERS
AND JOINERS OF AMERICA, Philly Local
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