🚨🚨🚨IRAN WAR IS BACK ON!!!🚨🚨🚨

[baltimorened]

Exactly. What MAGA people fail to realize is that most people don’t see the world as black and white as they do. One can know for certainty that Trump is a mess on Iran and still not trust ”the dems”. IMO that is a reflection of the ineptitude of dem leaders like Schumer and Jeffries (both of whom are deep into AIPAC money) and not an indication that somehow people trust Trump.

Beating dem leaders by 2 points on a trust poll is not worth celebrating because in November it won’t be a generic “Dems vs GOP”. It will be a bake-off between 2 specific people in every district. If they would look around they would realize many, if not most, Dems can’t stand the notional dem ”leaders”, but that disdain typically does not extend to their representative. Particularly when a divisive figure like Trump sits in the Oval Office.

I'm still trying to get a definition of what folks call MAGA...is that a Republican, someone who voted for trump, someone who agrees with trump 100% of the time? Who exctly are you referring to,

I ask, because it seems to me that most of those who refer to MAGA have different definitions.

I'm sure there are some, but IMO very few people agree with everything Trump says or does.

 

[baltimorened]

What they refuse to understand is the reason Dem Congressional approval is so low is because Democrats are angry that they didn't stop Trump from winning a second term and they don't feel like they're fighting him hard enough now. But that has nothing to do with the candidates in the fall, many of which will be new faces. Somehow, they can't separate those two things in their minds and they falsely believe that current congressional polling means Dems can't win in November.

I'm sure you're at least partially right, but you might be overlooking the fact that a lot just don't like Democrats positions on issues...most Americans don't want open borders and want those in the country illegally to be deported, for example.

Most don't want socialism..and right or wrong the democrats now are directly tied to that philosophy.

To be fair, I don't think leaders or rank and file members provide every thing that everybody wants...that would be almost an impossibility. Voters, for the most part, other than rabid party members who just vote the party line, look for the candidates that they think will make their lives and the lives of their family members better.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

I'm sure you're at least partially right, but you might be overlooking the fact that a lot just don't like Democrats positions on issues...most Americans don't want open borders and want those in the country illegally to be deported, for example.

Most don't want socialism..and right or wrong the democrats now are directly tied to that philosophy.

To be fair, I don't think leaders or rank and file members provide every thing that everybody wants...that would be almost an impossibility. Voters, for the most part, other than rabid party members who just vote the party line, look for the candidates that they think will make their lives and the lives of their family members better.

Sounds like most american's don't actually understand democratic positions, they've just accepted what the loudest on the right are screaming.

One of my biggest gripes of the Dem leadership, they've completely allowed the right to control the message on a lot of this stuff.

 

[Huey Grey 2]

I'm still trying to get a definition of what folks call MAGA...is that a Republican, someone who voted for trump, someone who agrees with trump 100% of the time? Who exctly are you referring to,

I ask, because it seems to me that most of those who refer to MAGA have different definitions.

I'm sure there are some, but IMO very few people agree with everything Trump says or does.

Definition is simple. Someone who still supports Trump. That, unfortunately, is still most Republicans.

 

[dpic73]

I'm sure you're at least partially right, but you might be overlooking the fact that a lot just don't like Democrats positions on issues...most Americans don't want open borders and want those in the country illegally to be deported, for example.

Most don't want socialism..and right or wrong the democrats now are directly tied to that philosophy.

To be fair, I don't think leaders or rank and file members provide every thing that everybody wants...that would be almost an impossibility. Voters, for the most part, other than rabid party members who just vote the party line, look for the candidates that they think will make their lives and the lives of their family members better.

First of all, it's a falsehood to claim that Dems want open borders just because Biden managed it poorly, when that's not true at all, in fact, Trump shutting it down is considered his best accomplishment by many on the Left. Don't let Biden's lax enforcement color your beliefs about what the party itself wants.

Secondly, Dem Congressional approval ratings could never get that low without Dem disapproval, so you're making a mistake by tying that number to Republican opinion only - they will always disapprove no matter the policies.

 

[tigres88]

Sounds like most american's don't actually understand democratic positions, they've just accepted what the loudest on the right are screaming.

One of my biggest gripes of the Dem leadership, they've completely allowed the right to control the message on a lot of this stuff.

I've found this fascinating with Ned's posts on the subject- he held his nose to vote for Trump, doesn't really like the guy, but still parrots maga's propaganda/talking points as if they're fact.

The maga propaganda machine is truly incredible

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

I'm still trying to get a definition of what folks call MAGA...is that a Republican, someone who voted for trump, someone who agrees with trump 100% of the time? Who exctly are you referring to,

I ask, because it seems to me that most of those who refer to MAGA have different definitions.

I'm sure there are some, but IMO very few people agree with everything Trump says or does.

People who voted Trump in 2024 are MAGA under my definition. You knew what an awful human being he is and decided to put him in office anyway when you could have voted third party, not voted or (gasp) voted for the brown woman with a crazy laugh

You are MAGA under my definition Ned. Now, there are degrees of MAGA and for me you are one of the rare ones who can introspectively recognize flaws in Trump. Many either cannot or will not do that much. So perhaps I should have said “what MOST MAGA” and not generalized like I did in my post.

 

[Palmerhawk]

First of all, it's a falsehood to claim that Dems want open borders just because Biden managed it poorly, when that's not true at all, in fact, Trump shutting it down is considered his best accomplishment by many on the Left. Don't let Biden's lax enforcement color your beliefs about what the party itself wants.

Secondly, Dem Congressional approval ratings could never get that low without Dem disapproval, so you're making a mistake by tying that number to Republican opinion only - they will always disapprove no matter the policies.

There is no established leader of the Democrats right now which is typical in a midterm year when party is out of power.

In 2018, same deal. Blue wave.

Messaging is not national in this case, it's up to local good candidates to craft their message to the voters in their race.
Sand and Turek are moderate Dems...they will not be going with the DSA platform spelled out by the DSA 's national co- chair yesterday in interview on Fox.
Her policy prescriptions include:

No prisons
No police
No ICE
Total amnesty
No borders
Govt control of all private business.

That message will not work outside of a few isolated precincts,imo

 

[dpic73]

There is no established leader of the Democrats right now which is typical in a midterm year when party is out of power.

In 2018, same deal. Blue wave.

Messaging is not national in this case, it's up to local good candidates to craft their message to the voters in their race.
Sand and Turek are moderate Dems...they will not be going with the DSA platform spelled out by the DSA 's national co- chair yesterday in interview on Fox.
Her policy prescriptions include:

No prisons
No police
No ICE
Total amnesty
No borders
Govt control of all private business.

That message will not work outside of a few isolated precincts,imo

Those policies are fuggin batshit so I hope they get shouted down before we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Stupid as fvkk they are yeesh.

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

Those policies are fuggin batshit so I hope they get shouted down before we snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Stupid as fvkk they are yeesh.

Yeah, I was talking to an ultra progressive family member the other day who was singing the DSA’s praises. I mentioned some of the extreme outlier policies and they loudly informed me that was not the position of most progressives. Fair enough - I can appreciate that.

The problem is: that IS the position of some very loud and public progressive voices and the average American is not discerning enough to appreciate the nuance. Especially not with Fox and crew putting the extreme message on blast. So once again the Dems could potentially suffer a branding problem that affects support from independent moderates.

As an independent moderate myself there is zero chance I would vote for a DSA candidate unless they disavow the extreme views. Now I will do the research to know the policies of politicians in my district, but I guarantee most voters will not.

 

[WDDT]

Yeah, I was talking to an ultra progressive family member the other day who was singing the DSA’s praises. I mentioned some of the extreme outlier policies and they loudly informed me that was not the position of most progressives. Fair enough - I can appreciate that.

The problem is: that IS the position of some very loud and public progressive voices and the average American is not discerning enough to appreciate the nuance. Especially not with Fox and crew putting the extreme message on blast. So once again the Dems could potentially suffer a branding problem that affects support from independent moderates.

As an independent moderate myself there is zero chance I would vote for a DSA candidate unless they disavow the extreme views. Now I will do the research to know the policies of politicians in my district, but I guarantee most voters will not.

You have a socialist in your family.........

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

I've found this fascinating with Ned's posts on the subject- he held his nose to vote for Trump, doesn't really like the guy, but still parrots maga's propaganda/talking points as if they're fact.

The maga propaganda machine is truly incredible

My favorite part is the "no one wants socialism" while receiving social security.

 

[Rifler]

First of all, it's a falsehood to claim that Dems want open borders just because Biden managed it poorly, when that's not true at all, in fact, Trump shutting it down is considered his best accomplishment by many on the Left. Don't let Biden's lax enforcement color your beliefs about what the party itself wants.

My belief about what the Democrat party wants for the border is colored by what the Democrat party supported during Biden's embarrassing tenure,... Dems want open borders.

 

[Hydro2.0]

You have a socialist in your family.........

Oh, look, the second dumbest poster on the site chimes in.

 

[Hydro2.0]

My belief about what the Democrat party wants for the border is colored by what the Democrat party supported during Biden's embarrassing tenure,... Dems want open borders.

You wear a helmet don’t you?

 

[hawkeyetraveler]

You have a socialist in your family.........

No I have a progressive who didn’t realize what some DSA people espouse.

To be honest you should like the DSA…after all Trump is the most socialist president of my lifetime

 

[GesterHawk]

My favorite part is the "no one wants socialism" while receiving social security.

Public libraries, police, fire departments, Medicare, Medicaid.....

 

[dpic73]

My belief about what the Democrat party wants for the border is colored by what the Democrat party supported during Biden's embarrassing tenure,... Dems want open borders.

That's just dumb. If Dems supported everything he did, how did his poll numbers drop so low and why did they force him to step down? Does this mean we supported the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan because Joe was President? Think...

 

[DFSNOLE_rivals]

My belief about what the Democrat party wants for the border is colored by what the Democrat party supported during Biden's embarrassing tenure,... Dems want open borders.

Conversely, the GOP is Trump and Trump is the GOP?

 

[dpic73]

Yeah, I was talking to an ultra progressive family member the other day who was singing the DSA’s praises. I mentioned some of the extreme outlier policies and they loudly informed me that was not the position of most progressives. Fair enough - I can appreciate that.

The problem is: that IS the position of some very loud and public progressive voices and the average American is not discerning enough to appreciate the nuance. Especially not with Fox and crew putting the extreme message on blast. So once again the Dems could potentially suffer a branding problem that affects support from independent moderates.

As an independent moderate myself there is zero chance I would vote for a DSA candidate unless they disavow the extreme views. Now I will do the research to know the policies of politicians in my district, but I guarantee most voters will not.

I'm not saying I don't support some of their policies and I understand the reason for their rise is due to an extreme reaction to the current administration's extremes that ignore the needs of the common man but that interview on Sunday will be played on a loop from now until election day...no president, no Senate, no prisons, no border, no police - What the actual F?!

 

[Hydro2.0]

That's just dumb. If Dems supported everything he did, how did his poll numbers drop so low and why did they force him to step down? Does this mean we supported the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan because Joe was President? Think...

He is literally a complete idiot and not capable of actual objectivity.

I almost envy his ability to be completely obtuse to any rational thought.

 

[Rifler]

That's just dumb. If Dems supported everything he did, how did his poll numbers drop so low and why did they force him to step down? Does this mean we supported the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan because Joe was President?

Biden was forced to "step down" because his Dem power brokers could no longer hide the fact that he had gone full potato. They had no choice,.. Regarding his disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan,.. Yes, numerous posters here on this site supported Biden's actions at the time...

 

[Rifler]

Conversely, the GOP is Trump and Trump is the GOP?

The only thing shocking about that statement is your use of the question mark....

 

[dpic73]

Biden was forced to "step down" because his Dem power brokers could no longer hide the fact that he had gone full potato. They had no choice,.. Regarding his disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan,.. Yes, numerous posters here on this site supported Biden's actions at the time...

 

[WDDT]

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[baltimorened]

My favorite part is the "no one wants socialism" while receiving social security.

you're right...there are numerous things in our system that are socialism, or border on socialism, and we are OK with that. Likely, before your time Bush 1 ran on the concept of compassionate conservatism, which maintained the overarching principles of capitalism, with the underlying principles of the social safety net.

 

[baltimorened]

I'm not saying I don't support some of their policies and I understand the reason for their rise is due to an extreme reaction to the current administration's extremes that ignore the needs of the common man but that interview on Sunday will be played on a loop from now until election day...no president, no Senate, no prisons, no border, no police - What the actual F?!

I agree, before the end of the 2026 election that woman will be the most viewed on TV. And remember her party the DSA candidates will have a "D" after their names on the ballot

 

[Huey Grey 2]

There is no established leader of the Democrats right now which is typical in a midterm year when party is out of power.

In 2018, same deal. Blue wave.

Messaging is not national in this case, it's up to local good candidates to craft their message to the voters in their race.
Sand and Turek are moderate Dems...they will not be going with the DSA platform spelled out by the DSA 's national co- chair yesterday in interview on Fox.
Her policy prescriptions include:

No prisons
No police
No ICE
Total amnesty
No borders
Govt control of all private business.

That message will not work outside of a few isolated precincts,imo

Virtually nobody is running on this platform.

 

[Anon1750875978]

Sorry libs. Trump wins.

Eric Daugherty...LOL
How braindead does someone need to be to believe anything he says is anything close to being objective?

 

[Rifler]

Virtually nobody is running on this platform.

 

[Huey Grey 2]

Please give me actual percentages. Because all I've seen is a handful at best. Which completely shreds this narrative.

 

[Knickslions69]

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

Public libraries, police, fire departments, Medicare, Medicaid.....

Lets all not forget the farmers $billions requirement every time this president is in office.

"We absolutely hate socialism!!! Ooooh, a government check! Honey, I am heading out to buy a new truck!"

 

[AlexanderUrinis]

you're right...there are numerous things in our system that are socialism, or border on socialism, and we are OK with that. Likely, before your time Bush 1 ran on the concept of compassionate conservatism, which maintained the overarching principles of capitalism, with the underlying principles of the social safety net.

Just so I understand. You are good with the socialist benefits YOU receive. It is the socialist things that others want that you disagree with? That is your stance?

 

[UrHuckleberry]

Yeah, I was talking to an ultra progressive family member the other day who was singing the DSA’s praises. I mentioned some of the extreme outlier policies and they loudly informed me that was not the position of most progressives. Fair enough - I can appreciate that.

The problem is: that IS the position of some very loud and public progressive voices and the average American is not discerning enough to appreciate the nuance. Especially not with Fox and crew putting the extreme message on blast. So once again the Dems could potentially suffer a branding problem that affects support from independent moderates.

As an independent moderate myself there is zero chance I would vote for a DSA candidate unless they disavow the extreme views. Now I will do the research to know the policies of politicians in my district, but I guarantee most voters will not.

Sort of the like the idea behind "Defund the Police" as opposed to what the phrase "Defund the Police" actually implies.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

My belief about what the Democrat party wants for the border is colored by what the Democrat party supported during Biden's embarrassing tenure,... Dems want open borders.

I'm not sure you understand what the term "open" actually means.

 

[Palmerhawk]

Lets all not forget the farmers $billions requirement every time this president is in office.

"We absolutely hate socialism!!! Ooooh, a government check! Honey, I am heading out to buy a new truck!"

Exactly.
Read a column in this week's edition of Farm News by farm economist Alan Guebert as where he laid out facts according to USDA.

In 2019 and 2020,trump years after tariffs federal farm program payments totalled 69 billion.
Under Biden in 4 years the total was 64 billion.
Under trump in 2025 and 2026 combined payments will be 86.6 billion.

That means in last 4 years under trump taxpayers will pay a total of 155.6 billion.

Last 4 years under Biden was 64 billion.

Net farm income i(NFI)s best indicator of agriculture financial health.

Yr. NFI % govt support

2019. 82 billion. 28%
2020. 99 bi. 47%
2021. 146 bi. 17%
2022. 182 bi. 8%

Socialism? Trump is a huge socialist in agriculture.....Biden is the free trading free market icon next to Trump.

 

[RagnarLothbrok]

Sort of the like the idea behind "Defund the Police" as opposed to what the phrase "Defund the Police" actually implies.

It still baffles me how bad Democrats are at messaging.

 

[UrHuckleberry]

It still baffles me how bad Democrats are at messaging.

I don't know any Democrats in real life that would disagree with that.

 

[baltimorened]

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well, maybe he can stop the war with Iran. That would be a great start