Freedom of speech is dead in Minnesota if you are white!

GesterHawk

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Yes you can

Glad I can teach you something today




No, it is not always illegal.
The common claim that “you can’t yell ‘fire’ in a crowded theater” is a misstatement of free-speech law. It comes from a non-binding analogy (dictum) in the 1919 Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States, not a rule that makes the act categorically illegal.
What Justice Holmes actually wrote
In Schenck, the Court upheld convictions under the Espionage Act for distributing anti-draft leaflets during World War I. Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, writing for a unanimous Court, used this illustration:
“The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.”
Key qualifications in the original:
• The shout must be false.
• It must cause a panic.
The popular version often drops “falsely” and adds “crowded,” turning a limited analogy into an absolute ban that never existed as binding law.
Current legal standard
The “clear and present danger” test from Schenck was later refined and largely superseded by Brandenburg v. Ohio (1969). Under Brandenburg, the government may punish speech only when it is:
• Directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action, and
• Likely to produce such action.
Falsely shouting “fire” is not automatically unprotected speech under the First Amendment. Whether it leads to liability depends on the facts (intent, actual consequences, jurisdiction).
Practical realities
• If there is a real fire (or you reasonably believe there is), shouting it is not illegal—and is often the responsible thing to do.
• Even a false shout may not result in charges if it causes no panic or harm.
• If a false shout intentionally or recklessly causes a stampede, injury, or emergency response, it can lead to state-level charges such as disorderly conduct, false reporting of an emergency, or (in extreme cases) more serious offenses tied to resulting harm. Some local ordinances historically targeted false fire alarms in public gatherings, but these are ordinary criminal laws, not a special First Amendment exception that makes the act “always illegal.”
In short, the phrase is a well-known but overstated analogy about limits on speech that creates clear, immediate danger. It is not a blanket prohibition, and context (truth, consequences, and applicable state or local law) determines any legal consequences.

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All that says is yes, you can be charged for citing a panic, but you won't be if there is no panic.
 

fatpiggy

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Freedom of speech is not absolute. It just isn't. You may not agree with that, but it is the truth.

I am also a firm believer in the First Amendment. But what she did broke Minnesota law. And as the Supreme Court has recognized that fighting words are not protected by the 1A, I don't think that it will be overturned based on that.
Is the constitution absolute? What is the first amendment of the constitution?

100% this conviction will be overturned.


We neeed to develop a system of judicial accountability.
 
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fatpiggy

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All that says is yes, you can be charged for citing a panic, but you won't be if there is no panic.
It also must be false.


But yellling fire in a theatre, alone in itself, is not illegal. As written in the Supreme Court ruling.


This makes your claim that you can’t yell fire in a theater, wrong.
 
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GesterHawk

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Is the constitution absolute? What is the first amendment of the constitution?

100% this conviction will be overturned.


We neeed to develop a system of judicial accountability.
Recognized limitations on free speech in the United States include incitement to imminent lawless action, true threats, and obscenity. Freedom of speech is protected by the First Amendment, but it does not protect certain categories of expression that cause direct harm or break the law. [1, 2, 3]

Unprotected Categories of Speech
    • Incitement: Speech meant to provoke immediate illegal action that is likely to happen.
    • True Threats: Statements where the speaker means to communicate a serious expression of an intent to harm someone.
    • Fighting Words: Direct face-to-face insults that tend to start a fight or cause a violent reaction.
    • Defamation: False statements presented as fact that damage a person's reputation.
    • Obscenity: Extreme sexual material that offends community standards and lacks serious value.
    • Fraud and Perjury: Lying to cheat someone out of money or lying while under oath in court.
    • Child Pornography: Material depicting illegal and harmful abuse of children. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
 

GesterHawk

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It also must be false.


But yellling fire in a theatre, alone in itself, is not illegal. As written in the Supreme Court ruling.


This makes your claim that you can’t yell fire in a theater, wrong.
You are better than trying to win a talking point by being obtuse.
 

fatpiggy

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Now let’s extrapolate what ms Shiloh said. Was it false? Well, no. Was it meant to incite panic? Hard no. There was no one there to panic.
 

fatpiggy

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Next thing you know, the left is going to try and stop you from saying “retard” and “tranny” because some mentally ill person has their feelings hurt.

No doubt @GesterHawk would be ok with that.
 
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GesterHawk

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Next thing you know, the left is going to try and stop you from saying “retard” and “tranny” because some mentally ill person has their feelings hurt.

No doubt @GesterHawk would be ok with that.
If someone is doing so in a menacing way towards a person, it would probably be a misdemeanor in Minnesota.
 

fatpiggy

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If someone is doing so in a menacing way towards a person, it would probably be a misdemeanor in Minnesota.
That’s not the argument.

The argument is, is it protected by the first amendment.

We all know this will be overturned. I am 100% certain it will be overturned


If it’s not, the rest of the constitution is invalid.
 
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fatpiggy

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The Supreme Law of the Land. This is how we know, with certainty, that this conviction will be overturned.

The only question this brings is, how do we implement judicial accountability?



Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
 

Scrubby

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So his alleged bad deeds make hers acceptable?

I thought Republicans were the party of personal accountability.
Calling a dude the n word at his request is totally acceptable.

My question is why was a child rapist at a playground with a video camera going?

The judge in this case loves sex offenders unfortunately. She has a bad history.
 

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I don’t know who Gibbs is. He and Mclovin are on ignore because they are the idiots that causes the invasion.
But on to Shiloh, I’m proud to be on the side of free speech. I might not like what she says but I’ll defend her right to say it because I’m not a moron communist.

Just admit you like what she said. We all know you do, piglet.
 

fatpiggy

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Shilo is starting her own podcast. This could get interesting. She sounds just stupid enough, that this could be really good 😂


 
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Allornothing

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I’m glad dems got their little victory over Shiloh. It just took more power away from the word. More people are going to test the limits of speech now because we don’t want to end up like Britain.

This will backfire on Dems just like everything else they do. Like getting the police body cams. Lol


WOOD! I would disappoint for as long as she would allow me.
 

DBQStarhawk

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I mean Neil Diamond started this.... "Shiloh when I was young, I used to call you names..." (i know it's not the exact lyric)
 
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I look forward to a time when people don't have to worry that an angry white woman is going to start yelling racial slurs at people.
I look forward to a time when a group of people that dislike a particular word, stop using that word in their daily life.
I honestly think white libs are offended by that word more than black people are.
 
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@Gibbs_dontbanmetom can't take his war-dodging toddlers to a baseball game in St. Paul because of all the trannies and Somalis and taco trucks and crime and fraud and rainbow people and libtards and now violations of the First Amendment and his God-given right to freely say the N-word in public without any sort of pushback.
Actually I’m a twins fan. So if I did take my kid to an mlb game, that’s where I’d most likely go. I’d also survive without any issues. I’m sorry you as a white male are soo offended by a word that black people use all the time. I’m sure it’s ruined your life.
 

LunchBox50

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Actually I’m a twins fan. So if I did take my kid to an mlb game, that’s where I’d most likely go.
Yes, the Twins are a Major League Baseball team. That's an astute observation by you that few on this forum knew. Thank you for sharing that fact. And you are, indeed, correct that if you were going to take your kid to "an MLB game," that would be a Twins game. The Saints are a Minor League Baseball team. So no, you would not go to St. Paul if your plan is to take your kid to an MLB game.

I'm really glad you pointed all of that out, bud. It was incredibly helpful, bud.
 
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Yes, the Twins are a Major League Baseball team. That's an astute observation by you that few on this forum knew. Thank you for sharing that fact. And you are, indeed, correct that if you were going to take your kid to "an MLB game," that would be a Twins game. The Saints are a Minor League Baseball team. So no, you would not go to St. Paul if your plan is to take your kid to an MLB game.

I'm really glad you pointed all of that out, bud. It was incredibly helpful, bud.
Thanks for pointing out that I wouldn’t be taking my kid to a game in St. Paul. Not for the dumb reasons that you claim but because I’d have no desire to watch a baseball game there. It’s extremely weird that you get so much joy out of correcting typos or whatever the **** this just was. Yet you also love making up stuff about others. Maybe you should focus on fixing yourself before trying to fix typos and whatever this is. BTW, don’t bother engaging with me the rest of the week. I have no desire this week to deal with your stupidity.
@Gibbs_dontbanmetom can't take his war-dodging toddlers to a baseball game in St. Paul because of all the trannies and Somalis and taco trucks and crime and fraud and rainbow people and libtards and now violations of the First Amendment and his God-given right to freely say the N-word in public without any sort of pushback.
 

LunchBox50

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Thanks for pointing out that I wouldn’t be taking my kid to a game in St. Paul. Not for the dumb reasons that you claim but because I’d have no desire to watch a baseball game there. It’s extremely weird that you get so much joy out of correcting typos or whatever the **** this just was. Yet you also love making up stuff about others. Maybe you should focus on fixing yourself before trying to fix typos and whatever this is. BTW, don’t bother engaging with me the rest of the week. I have no desire this week to deal with your stupidity.
Cope harder, McJizzle. I can hear the crying through the screen.
 

LunchBox50

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Is he still complaining about black people using the word he so desperately wants to?
He is. It's simply not fair or American that he can't be openly calling Black people the N-word, just like his daddy, and his daddy's daddy. It's not fair that he only gets to use that word on message boards and at home, because Black people still say it in songs.
 

GesterHawk

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He is. It's simply not fair or American that he can't be openly calling Black people the N-word, just like his daddy, and his daddy's daddy. It's not fair that he only gets to use that word on message boards and at home, because Black people still say it in songs.
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