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The Democrats Have a Communist Problem

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m.knox said:

DSA commies aim to take over the Democratic Party — just as they captured . . . the DSA itself​


This is the part those in the cult don't get. Believe this guy for Christ's sake.

https://nypost.com/2026/07/11/opini...c-party-just-as-they-captured-the-dsa-itself/

How worried should Democrats be about the Democratic Socialists of America?

As someone who knows the DSA inside out, I can say with authority: They should be very worried indeed.

I was a DSA member for years and served in local leadership.

But today’s DSA — illiberal, dogmatic and hostile to traditional American political norms — is not the organization I once knew.

It includes disciplined, radicalized networks that have methodically expanded their power over the last decade in pursuit of extremist goals.

As the Democratic Party grapples with the DSA’s growing influence and extremism, it would do well to recognize that the same dynamic underway now — first accommodation, then capture, then surrender to insurgent radicals — already played out on a smaller scale within the DSA itself.

And there’s only one defense: out-organizing it.

For decades, the DSA was mostly composed of a cohort of aging Boomers, remnants from the group’s founding in 1982.

It prioritized open debate and political tolerance.

Following in the tradition of founder Michael Harrington, members viewed the DSA not as a revolutionary vanguard but as a reformist bridge to mainstream labor-liberalism; they prioritized parliamentary process and pluralism.

But in the mid-2010s, the character of the organization began to change.
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Interseting article, knox. Unfortunately, what I didn't find was evidence the Dem Party has been "captured." ...sounds intense, though. I DID find/read one former DSA member arguing thats what could happen if moderates don't push back. Sound more like a prediction...not it's already happened.

You seem emotional. Do you feel emotional when you read these articles? What did you do for fun this weekend?
 
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m.knox said:
Both. Clearly not mutually exclusive.
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So if you find an article or video of a Dem going "unhinged" as you say, you feel that represents the entire party. However, if I find an article or video of a MAGA racist, unhinged rant, you do (or do not) think that represents the entire party??
 
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alaskanseminole said:
Well, I respectfully disagree. Covering up a politician's decline isn't what I described.

A fanatic is someone with excessive, unquestioning zeal (think huge Bama fan!). A cult centers on devotion to a person or ideology that discourages independent thought and demands loyalty above principles.

If Democrats tried to shield Biden's decline, criticize 'em for it. I won't defend it...and actually didn't. But thats an argument about protecting an incumbent...NOT evidence of a cult.

The question I asked still stands: Which movement more closely resembles a personality cult (based on Websters)?

That may be true. There has absolutely been hysteria on both sides actually...just look at this boad. But my concern isn't rooted in MSNBC or social media...it's rooted in my faith (which I've made no secret of).

It's hard watchng Christianity become intertwined w/ loyalty to a politician to the point where you can't even critise him because it winds up treated as an attack on Christianity itself. When Trump is portrayed as chosen by God then pastors start excusing behavior they would have condemned in anyone else.
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We'll just have to respectfully disagree because the first four items you listed can be easily applied to the Biden coverup. That was all I was saying.

I added the historical point that the biggest, deadliest personality cult in history ended with a coverup of Mao's senility while other people made the decisions. That is what happened with Biden - the difference being Biden's senility was revealed to the whole world during the June 24 debate with Trump. The coverup was completely exposed even to those who wanted to believe it didn't exist.
 
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alaskanseminole said:
that's the problem, he's not. there are many many more like him.

I'd pay no attention to those type either. It's never Christ like to preach hate (or Death to America).
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When the latter seem determined to develop nuclear weapons, that makes them interesting in my view.
 
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m.knox said:
LOL...... If you cannot recognize that the democratic party is the party of division and hate, that's on you. You are part of the problem. Part of the cult.

Congratulations!!
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Elaborate. How are the democrats divisive? Because they elected a black man president? That’s the real reason you think that.
 
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Tom Paris said:
Elaborate. How are the democrats divisive? Because they elected a black man president? That’s the real reason you think that.
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I know you're 60, but your powers of reasoning are below grade-level. That is, below the grade-level of the children you teach kickball.
 
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Dems have 11 point lead in latest generic ballot poll. Maybe running on rising inflation and $5 gas caused by a stupid war wasn't a good campaign strategy by the Republicans.
 
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Huey Grey 2 said:
Dems have 11 point lead in latest generic ballot poll. Maybe running on rising inflation and $5 gas caused by a stupid war wasn't a good campaign strategy by the Republicans.
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Inflation is currently falling and I paid $3.89 for gas last night,.. Congratulations on the generic ballot poll though.
 
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tigres88 said:
Whenever they say this, it comes across as truly delusional. It isn't hyperbole to say that we have a far right extremist administration in power (look it up, they hit every hallmark) but yeah, the left needs to come to center. Insane the bubble these magas live in
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They want the democrats to come to the middle, away from affordable housing, affordable healthcare, childcare, feeding the hungry, funding education, and recognizing climate change. Those are the wild and crazy ideas we have while billionaires and corporations continue to work against everyday Americans. Yeah we leftists are the crazy ones. 🙄
 
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Tom Paris said:
They want to democrats to come to the middle, away from affordable housing, affordable healthcare, childcare, feeding the hungry, funding education, and recognizing climate change. Those are the wild and crazy ideas we have while billionaires and corporations continue to work against everyday Americans. Yeah we leftists are the crazy ones. 🙄
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Is there a shortage of education funding in dem-run inner cities like Chicago and NYC?
 
alaskanseminole

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Riveting said:
Is there a shortage of education funding in dem-run inner cities like Chicago and NYC?
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Sounds like your argument isnt education shouldn't be funded...it's that some school districts don't spend said money efficiently? If so, we probably agreeon this one.
 
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m.knox said:

DSA commies aim to take over the Democratic Party — just as they captured . . . the DSA itself​


This is the part those in the cult don't get. Believe this guy for Christ's sake.

https://nypost.com/2026/07/11/opini...c-party-just-as-they-captured-the-dsa-itself/

How worried should Democrats be about the Democratic Socialists of America?

As someone who knows the DSA inside out, I can say with authority: They should be very worried indeed.

I was a DSA member for years and served in local leadership.

But today’s DSA — illiberal, dogmatic and hostile to traditional American political norms — is not the organization I once knew.

It includes disciplined, radicalized networks that have methodically expanded their power over the last decade in pursuit of extremist goals.

As the Democratic Party grapples with the DSA’s growing influence and extremism, it would do well to recognize that the same dynamic underway now — first accommodation, then capture, then surrender to insurgent radicals — already played out on a smaller scale within the DSA itself.

And there’s only one defense: out-organizing it.

For decades, the DSA was mostly composed of a cohort of aging Boomers, remnants from the group’s founding in 1982.

It prioritized open debate and political tolerance.

Following in the tradition of founder Michael Harrington, members viewed the DSA not as a revolutionary vanguard but as a reformist bridge to mainstream labor-liberalism; they prioritized parliamentary process and pluralism.

But in the mid-2010s, the character of the organization began to change.
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So it’s a cult, but also broken into to a couple of different ideologies and are at war with each other?
 
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alaskanseminole said:
Sounds like your argument isnt education shouldn't be funded...it's that some school districts don't spend said money efficiently? If so, we probably agreeon this one.
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Oh I know we have wasteful spending in education and it pisses staff off to no end. Having said that, and I have posted this a couple dozen times over the years - I am paid fine. The problem is education isn’t funded to the rising costs of living so things and people that benefit the children get taken away from them. This has been a constant in my 27 years as a teacher.
 
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THE_DEVIL said:
So it’s a cult, but also broken into to a couple of different ideologies and are at war with each other?
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You should know the concept of the least common denominator. The cult is bound by the emotion of hate.
 
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alaskanseminole said:
"fanatical cult", eh? Out of sheer curiosity (I'm going to regret this YUGELY), what definition are you using for fanatical cult?

anything like:

- devotion to a leader over principles
- treating criticism of dear leader as heresy
- rejecting information that contradicts the dear leader
- demanding personal loyalty
- viewing non-MAGAs as enemies, traitors or evil

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I'm a conservative and I don't support any of those things. Same with most of my friends. Maybe you're the cult member.
 
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bdgan said:
I'm a conservative and I don't support any of those things. Same with most of my friends. Maybe you're the cult member.
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Fair enough (so am I). So let me ask you this:

Can Trump lose an election fairly?

Can he lie?

Can he make a decision you strongly oppose?

If your answer to all three is "yes," then we're probably not talking about the same group.
 
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Fair enough (so am I). So let me ask you this:

Can Trump lose an election fairly? YES

Can he lie? YES

Can he make a decision you strongly oppose? YES

If your answer to all three is "yes," then we're probably not talking about the same group.
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Most conservatives can answer YES to each of those questions.

Trump won a second term for several reasons:
  • Biden/Harris were terrible candidates
  • Biden's open border policy
  • Inflation
  • Woke agenda (CRT, DEI, LGBTQIA+, etc)
The difference between me and most extreme liberals on this board is that I focus on policies. I like many of Trump's policies like stopping illegal immigration, all of the above options for energy, promoting personal responsibility, and demanding that our allies do their fair share rather than riding on the backs of Americans. I even support tariffs because free trade is a two way street. I am definitely tired of all the woke stuff. There are also things I dislike. I don't agree with no tax on tips and OT because we can't afford it. I mentioned that I support some tariffs but I think some of them went too far. I think the top rate on people earning more than $500k should go back to 39.6%. I 100% opposed the war in Iran. I just have different reasons than most liberals. I think Iran continued to develop nuclear weapons during JCPOA and I know they continued as the world's largest state sponsor of terror. I'm just tired of the USA being the world's policemen. I think Iran poses a bigger threat to the middle east and Europe than they are to the USA. If those countries are unwilling to address the issue I don't think the USA should address it on their behalf.
 
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bdgan said:
Most conservatives can answer YES to each of those questions.

Trump won a second term for several reasons:
  • Biden/Harris were terrible candidates
  • Biden's open border policy
  • Inflation
  • Woke agenda (CRT, DEI, LGBTQIA+, etc)
The difference between me and most extreme liberals on this board is that I focus on policies. I like many of Trump's policies like stopping illegal immigration, all of the above options for energy, promoting personal responsibility, and demanding that our allies do their fair share rather than riding on the backs of Americans. I even support tariffs because free trade is a two way street. I am definitely tired of all the woke stuff. There are also things I dislike. I don't agree with no tax on tips and OT because we can't afford it. I mentioned that I support some tariffs but I think some of them went too far. I think the top rate on people earning more than $500k should go back to 39.6%. I 100% opposed the war in Iran. I just have different reasons than most liberals. I think Iran continued to develop nuclear weapons during JCPOA and I know they continued as the world's largest state sponsor of terror. I'm just tired of the USA being the world's policemen. I think Iran poses a bigger threat to the middle east and Europe than they are to the USA. If those countries are unwilling to address the issue I don't think the USA should address it on their behalf.
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Well, your post is a breath of fresh air and I agree Harris was a terrible candidate. Republicans also did an excellent job capitalizing on what was clearly a failed border policy.

FTR, I agree the border needs to be secured and I support enforcing existing immigration laws. What I specifically don't agree with is how ICE is handling enforcement on this side of the border nor Trump's "brown people are here to rape steal and plunder rhetoric." I think he could have garnered support w/o the constant vilinization. I'm certainly not a fan of DEI mandates & I think team jersey politics has done a crap ton of damage....not even sure how we undo it.

That said, I don't think every "woke" issue has been as pervasive or as important as politicians/media portray them & not a fan of tariffs...at least as a long-term economic strategy. American consumers will eventually get the full screw on that.

Honestly, this is the kind of conversation I wish happened more often...on here, but too many MAGAs (not normal conservatives) won't allow it. We can have a discussion without acting like the other side is evil.
 
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alaskanseminole said:
Well, your post is a breath of fresh air and I agree Harris was a terrible candidate. Republicans also did an excellent job capitalizing on what was clearly a failed border policy.

FTR, I agree the border needs to be secured and I support enforcing existing immigration laws. What I specifically don't agree with is how ICE is handling enforcement on this side of the border nor Trump's "brown people are here to rape steal and plunder rhetoric." I think he could have garnered support w/o the constant vilinization. I'm certainly not a fan of DEI mandates & I think team jersey politics has done a crap ton of damage....not even sure how we undo it.

That said, I don't think every "woke" issue has been as pervasive or as important as politicians/media portray them & not a fan of tariffs...at least as a long-term economic strategy. American consumers will eventually get the full screw on that.

Honestly, this is the kind of conversation I wish happened more often...on here, but too many MAGAs (not normal conservatives) won't allow it. We can have a discussion without acting like the other side is evil.
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I support closing the border. If you want to come here do so legally. Also remember that political refugees are supposed to seek asylum in the first country they enter. That isn't usually the USA. Of course most of them claim that they are political refugees when in fact they are just seeking a better quality of life. They say political asylum because they've been taught how to game the system.

I don't believe in family unification policies. That allows one person the get her illegally, get temporary protected status that lasts years, then they use that to allow their families to enter. It's a bag scam. We should require people to request asylum from their home country.

I said from the beginning that ICE agents have to do a better job at deescalation. For example I believe the officer who shot Renee Good had an opportunity to get out of the way of the care. I've also said that I'd hate to be the ICE officer because they have to make decisions in a split second. You could be killed if you hesitate. It's not an easy situation.

What do you think should happen with the individuals (or families) that have been denied asylum (which is the case for 70% of the asylum claims)? Do you think we should just look away and allow them to stay in spite of a judge issuing removal orders? FWIW I don't consider deportation to be "separating families". They are perfectly welcome to take their family members with them. It's their business if they want to leave their anchor baby or dreamer behind.

I also think we need to implement a strong e-verify system. If people can't work they will go home.
 
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